How to get drunk without drinking – via Derren Brown
The anointing that Brown gives this young man, is the same anointing that many are receiving in our churches today.
Derren Brown – The so called Messiah Part 3 0f 8.
In Part 1 Brown is headed for the US where he is basicallly unknown and he going to approach people with “paranormal belief systems” to see if he can convince them that he is the real deal. He says that he uses magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection, and showmanship when he is performing. He is going to slay people in the spirit and “convert” them.
There are those who have claimed to be “drunk in the spirit”, or feeling out of control because of the overpowering of the Holy Spirit. But in these videos these people are being “slain” and “intoxicated” by a well-known medium, who admits to be conducting an experiment and posing as someone religious. Brown is an atheist.
Derren Brown – The so called Messiah Part 4 0f 8
These two videos are very interesting to watch in tandem. It is actually difficult to tell if Bentley really knees this man in stomach. I have watched it over and over and I do see his leg lifted, but I am wondering if a different power was transferred to this man to knock him down. A power like the one Derren Brown calls on.
Next watch Derren Brown deliver his “One inch punch.” The effects on the two men are very similar. Remember that Brown is an atheist and does not believe in God.
Why should you be watching these videos clips? For one thing they show that a spiritualist, can recreate the experiences that are happening in our churches. Why is this? Simple ….the spirit is the same spirit. A deceiving spirit.
Our churches are being invaded by false, masquerading spirits and we need to educate ourselves about the paranormal/occult world so we can recognize them. Unfortuneately, the deceiver Satan make these experiences pleasant.
From his website:
Derren Brown: Mind Control, with Derren Brown’ quite literally aired. It was an immediate success, and gained Derren a cool, underground kudos which he described as “not enough”.
Mind Controls 2 and 3 followed, then a series, then a brief spell in prison, and then in October 2003 Derren caused an international furore with ‘Derren Brown Plays Russian Roulette Live’. This secured his notoriety with the public and his big apartment in London. “Bristol can shove itself”, he said.
The Seance followed soon after, which was Derren’s first look at the area of spiritualism and paranormal phenomena, and the first show where his intelligent scepticism could be expressed. Derren says of the show, “By now I was properly famous and could pretty much buy whatever I wanted”. Further specials have followed, including ‘Messiah’, which took him undercover to the US to see if leaders in paranormal belief systems would wrongly endorse him as the real thing.
I am unsure that Brian Flynn knows the extent of the service he provided when he wrote, “Running against the Wind.” The information he shares about Mind Control and TM are really invaluable. He was taught how to access information from the netherworld. The spirits he contacted gave him real life information about the people he was dealing with. The power from the supernatural world is there and available. But Christians are clearly not supposed to delve into this world and access demon power.
At the beginning of this article I quoted Brown about how his magic is done. But there is much more than meets the eye here. Brown is deeply entrenched in the paranormal world and has attained demonic talents. Others videos on his site demonstrate his ability to convince the bereaved he was communicating with the dead, and he can definitely astral project.
It is no wonder he doesn’t truly explain the source of his abilities because he may not know….or is not telling. But as we compare the demonic abilities against similar abilities being demonstrated in the church, we must sit up and take notice.
23 comments
August 2, 2008 at 5:52 pm
natrimony
Yeah I’ve run into Mr. Brown before. He is obviously quite talented in the arts of observation and suggestion. Thoroughly enjoying your blog, extremely glad I stumbled upon it.
August 2, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Kim
natrimony,
Glad to meet you. I have enjoyed reading your comments on another blog.
August 3, 2008 at 2:37 pm
endtimespropheticwords
Kim
Derren Brown is NOT a medium or a spiritualist or even an occultist. He is an ex born again pentecostal Christian – leaving the church in his 20s because of the small minded attitudes and fakery which he was right about, but sadly not seeing beyond that to the real JESUS. He is now in his late 30s and claims to be an atheist, explaining everything by science, psychology and human gullibility,
He conducted a ‘seance’ on TV in the manner of John Edwards by showing cold reading trechniques and other tricks charlatans – inc using researchers – use to a selected audience and then confessed up to how he fooled them – he did not contact spirits he just spouted the usual garbage and cold read them. He is a stage magician that knows how to influence people by the power of words and other sleight of hand. He is a very clever man. But that does not make him a medium or a spiritualist.
August 3, 2008 at 2:39 pm
endtimespropheticwords
ps
Derren Brown would explain the decieving spirit as a desire to fall over or whatever. As many hypnotists say – there is no such thing as hypnotism.
I am not saying there are not decieving spirits in the world, but understand a lot of the stuff we see ca easily be understood of JUST the flesh.
August 3, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Kim
I am afraid i cannot agree with you. I have always considered John Edward an spiritist or medium and i believe the same of Brown. From the many videos i watched i concluded that these were not just parlour tricks. Especially the astral projection video which i did not include.
I pulled out my big tome “Encyclopedia of New Age Beliefs” written by John Ankerberg & John Weldon. There is a huge chapter called “Hypnosis and Hypnotic Regression”and it is very facscinating.
There seems to be much documentation of the occult potential of hypnosis.
Here are a few excerpts.
“Hypnosis is, after all, an altered state of consciousness, we documented why we were concerned over the great amount experimentation in this area. ASC’s were shown to be excellent doorways to spiritist phenomena and possesion. Hypnosis..has marked similarities to occult ASC’s particularly in its more profound states.” P. 321
“Andrew Jackson David, a powerful medium with an unrelenting antagonism toward Christianity, developed his clairvoyant diagnosis and other occult power by mesmerism, just as today hypnosis has helped to produce a great number of mediums and pyschics.” P 324
“Hypnosis can produce a wide variety of occult phenomena…past-life experiences, speaking in unknown languages, automatic writing,…spirit possession, astral projection…., it is significant that all of these phenomena also occur in or through the mediumistic trance state where a person is possessed by demons.”
The information is immense here, but i just want to say i do not think this is a case of the flesh.
August 3, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Lee
Kim,
I JUST ordered that book!
endtimes,
I have to agree with Kim on this. I believe any power which requires us to go within rather than to God is akin to divination and is therefore not of the flesh.
Also, I respectfully disagree that Brown is ‘an ex born again pentecostal Christian’ as I firmly believe in once saved, always saved as in the ‘seal’ of the Holy Spirit [Ephesians 1:13; 2 Corinthians 1:22]. Brown then was never ‘born again’ or saved to begin with.
August 3, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Kim
Lee,
This is a great book and it is jam packed with information….I saw it at a Christian book store….Yes, truly, at a Christian book store…(Bud will be delighted.) Actually this store had no new-age or emergent books at all. I thanked the store owner for this. But it did have some WOF books and teachers…Joel Osteen, etc.
I also have to doubt that Brown was ever truly converted.
Miriam, you are not going to strike us with lightning, are you? 🙂
August 5, 2008 at 1:10 pm
endtimespropheticwords
Kim
With respect you have jumped to huge conclusions re Derren Brown. I do not know how many shows you have watched of his, if any, but he is primarily a showman and stage magician who uses sleight of hand and also camera trick photography as well as clever power of suggestion and psychology. Also you need to understand the guy uses stooges and plants and you also need to read what he says about people who will act up on stage and on camera to please him and will say anything he likes (pp Lakeland!) So you cannot believe what you see, but that is the point of his shows.
You have also jumped to conclusions re John Edwards too. Ok the man calls himself a spiritualist but does that make him a genuine spiritualist by using cheap parlour tricks and claiming to get someone ‘coming through’ with an initial M and cold reading the audience and saying if it is not for you, it is someone else etc. That is the point. And Derren did similar on TV albeit painting the setting and using researchers and any other tricks to show up spiritualist and other charlatans for what they are. By your definition, Kim, all psychics or mediums would be demonised, and the truth is most of them are fakes and charlatans that are not spiritual at all – just fakes and clever cold readers. (I do not deny some are real and some are demonised, but can you see my point here? There are charlatans in every walk inc the “occult”)?
Because Derren Brown does a stage show pretending to be a medium, or pretending to be an evangelist or whatever does not make him a medium or evangelist.
I am also well aware of the occult aspects of hypnosis, and how it frequentyl acts as a gateway to the demonic (as indeed any thought can in any mental state, hypnotic or otherwise), but if you had read what Derren Brown writes on hypnotism (as well as other hypnotist stage magicians) there are differing views to the occult and scientific – and as most mentalists (that is people doing psychological sleight of hand for want of a better term) view hypnotism is, that the biggest secret is there is no such thing as hypnosis – there are trance altered states of conciousness, and people will do what they are given permission for in a trance state, or to please, or will persuade themseleves, or keep silent in case they look dumb and agree anyway, but no thing as hypnotism as is currently understood by many, really exists. I tend to agree entirely with this view.
I am not defending Derren Brown, or occult forms of “hypnotism”, but at the same time by calling him a spiritualist you not only discredit your research but you also fail to get what he is pointing out and showing up. The power of yes – the mind and the flesh – the power of suggestion and cheap parlour tricks and clever camera works. Without spirits or demons necessarily being involved anywhere.
As to Brown not being a Christian because he is currently fallen away. This may be true. He says he was deeply involved in the born again pentecostal for some years from teen to mid 20s. I merely repeat his testimony, and actually I understand it and sympathise. He saw the hypocrisy, small mindedness and sleight of hand in the church and rejected it for that’s all there was there, and isn’t that true of many a church – take away the stage show and backbiting what’s left? He strikes me as a deeply intelligent man searching for truth who will not tolerate BS. I respect that – deeply. It is sad that he rejected Jesus along with the church and its people, but I understand this only too well. I have known genuine born again Christians who did know the Lord go down this or a similar path and be wooed into a much deeper walk with God after a season.
ps why would I strike you with lightning? Do you think I am that bad? 😦 Only having a chat!
August 5, 2008 at 1:11 pm
endtimespropheticwords
ps – I do not respect the fact that he fell away, I respect his quest for truth, just to make that clear.
August 5, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Kim
Something just doesn’t seem right to me here.
I have watched many of the videos and some may indeed be tricks and illusions. Many would have to be on the take to participate. Four major psychics from the Sedona Creative Live Center for instance. If his remote viewing demonstration was bogus he did not not reveal how he did it.
On the other hand what if the opposite is true. What if Brown has indeed accessed spirit guides to do his bidding for him but only confessess to illusion. This is what he states… that “all is illusion”, but who wants to say their power is demonic? All possibilites must be examined.
At the end of the 8 part series a man is saying “I think God is a hoax and a scam.”
John Edward has a audio collection out that teaches meditation and visualization. This is how one reaches spirit guides. This is divination clear and simple. The study of TM instructs “readers” how to extract information from the spirit world which is not always correct but sometimes they can improve. (Sounds like much of the false prophetic movement)
December 6, 2008 at 9:44 pm
CodeSculptor
Derren Brown admits that he is not a psychic, admits that what he does involves no spirits, no demons, no supernatural abilities or anything like that. Nothing he does is pagan, supernatural, extra-sensory, occultic or the like.
He simply demonstrates that people should question every aspect of their belief systems. They should challenge each claim made by their belief system with logic and skepticism.
January 14, 2009 at 6:27 am
Primate
I’m not one for posting on this type of discussion very often. But my incredulity to this has forced me to do so. I don’t mean to sound condescending but ere you seriously, in all honestly stating you believe that Derren Brown has demonic power?
I am troubled that in this day and age you are incapable of looking beyond a worldview that attempts to explain every experience in terms of the supernatural. What Derren Brown is demonstrating is a set of highly esoteric skills that happen to cross into the area of spiritualism and the supernatural – but are removed from this in that nothing he is doing is remotely spiritualistic or supernatural.
Are you aware that in today’s society there are people that are capable of transforming sand and a few minerals into devices capable of processing more data in a second than every human brain on the planet? Is this skill not more amazing and improbable than anything Derren Brown does? Yet because this does not speak of the supernatural I doubt (hope) you would not try to explain it in terms of demons and spirits. I am of course talking about engineers who build microprocessors.
Derren Brown just demonstrates human gullibility and suggestibility in a very entertaining fashion. The fact is I just made up the statistic in the previous paragraph, but you may have accepted it – we’re all gullible – that’s why we have to question our beliefs.
January 14, 2009 at 9:48 am
Kim
I believe that Brown may be using the powers of a “spirit guide”. Astral projection, visualization are techniques used to access the metaphysical world. One only has to make a cursory study of Silva Mind Control and the techniques of Transcendental meditation to know that these powers are really quite accessible. But they are also dangerous.
Interesting reads would be Frances Vaughan Clark, former president of of the Association for Transpersonal Psychology, or Hugh Redmond from Redlands, California who is an expert in parapsychology who advocates learning from occult methods to stimulate psychic growth.
Brown’s demonstration of remote viewing is the same thing as visualization or astral travel. Did he use occult means to accomplish this? I don’t know for sure but I certainly do not rule it out. Just because he says he does not use these methods, does not make it true and indeed I would be gullible if I did not seriously consider his methods paranormal.
April 4, 2009 at 3:22 am
Infidel
I’ll contest that there is nothing supernatural about Derren Brown. If that’s the case, then you do have to admit, if someone like Derren Brown can reproduce allot of the experiences that are considered to be gifts from god, then those experiences are majorly discredited?
September 18, 2009 at 4:16 pm
sue
First of all, you should not be advertising on your site the very opposite of what you are preaching against, that is hypocrisy! You have google ads which when visitors will click will lead them to sites about controlling people’s minds, NLP, clairvoyance, psychic readings etc – these are all sinful practices which YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR LEADING PEOPLE TO. You can opt out of certain urls being displayed on your google ads. If you think it is justified cos you have to make money to keep them on there, then you need our prayers. And from the read of your article anyway, i believe you do need our prayers.
September 18, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Kim
Huh? What ads? I do not place ads in my blog…Wordpress might have ads, but they have nothing to do with me and I have no control over them.
September 18, 2009 at 4:42 pm
cheryl U.
Sue,
I have been reading this site for years, and if there are google adds of any kind here, I have never seen them. Must be blind I guess. Can you tell me where they are?
September 18, 2009 at 6:00 pm
sue
kim – so your blog isn’t self hosted & you say you have no control of the ads? Well consider switching to self hosted so that you do have control. Ultimately, as a christian, you are the one in control, you cannot blame wordpress. I had an option to set up a christian site on a hosted solution but after setting it up, i noticed a few very anti-christian google ads come up & then i decided, no this isn’t right, i would be responsible for my site, i’m not going to pass the buck & make excuses, i closed it down. Light & darkness cannot exist together, you cannot have a christian blog about christian things with satanic advertising.
cheryl u. – there is a recognised condition called “ad blindness”, google it but the ads i saw were inbetween the article & the comments. Returning this 2nd time, i’m not seeing any ads right now.
September 18, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Craig "Lee"
sue,
I’ve been reading comments and submitting articles off and on for the past two years or so; and, I’ve never seen ANY advertisements.
September 18, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Craig "Lee"
sue,
This comment just jumped out at me:
And from the read of your article anyway, i believe you do need our prayers.
What are you referring to?
September 19, 2009 at 3:15 pm
JM
There are no ads. I tried on explorer and firefox and there are no ads and I can see. Yeah, Kim needs our prayers for the attacks she takes.
September 19, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Kim
Hey, thanks for the support but sue may have a point. You can promote your blog for free on blog directories who do advertise. Maybe I should remove the links TO Zimbio and BlogCatalog.
But I do not advertise on my blog nor do I make money on ads since there are none. I do want people who utilize blog directories to read and access my articles and they do so according to my referrer blog stat:
“People clicked links from these pages to get to your blog”
March 28, 2010 at 10:49 am
servant
I must agree with endtimesprophetwords. Derren realized than he was being influenced by the same skills he began to value (which made him question his 20-something beliefs). He realized that many churches uses methods that primarily focus the emotions, rather than than the rational mind. Sadly, grouping all christian churches together, he never got to see the doctrines of a church grounded in sound christian theology. I am a christian and a psychological entertainer. It is unfortunate that people make assumptions about how these effects are done (read: spiritual powers)… this is just not the case. This assumption makes an embarassment of believers and sheds a negative light on those who value the truth. For centuries, people have assumed satanic powers, to explain illusion. While understandable, it is an archaic assumption, which only supports the arguments against us. In my opinion, it is sad that Derren was discouraged from Faith because of the poor theology and unscriptural practices of some Christians, but he DOES NOT use spiritual abilities to create his illusions. I highly recommend questioning persons to read Houdini’s “A Magician Among the Spirits”. It is an expose of spiritualism and the those who used fradulent spiritual skills to fool the masses. Derren larges uses modernized methods of these fakirs to entertain the masses.
-just a servant (who know about these things)