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Gary: Welcome to Search the Scriptures 24/7, a radio ministry of The Berean Call with T.A. McMahon. I’m Gary Carmichael, we’re glad you could tune in. In today’s program, Tom continues his discussion with Sarah Leslie, editor and contributing writer for the discernment blogsight “Herescope.” Now, along with his guest, here’s TBC executive director, Tom McMahon.
Tom: Thanks, Gary. Joining us for today’s program–actually, this is our second week with Sarah Leslie. Sarah’s the editor and contributing writer for the discernment blog site Herescope. And, Sarah, again, thanks for coming back with us, and I want to just jump right into this. Last week, we ended with kind of a teaser, but this is an important issue that we do want to address. It has to do with the teaching today with regard to the Nephilim. I’ll read Genesis 6:1-4. I would say this is the central Scripture, these verses, at least two of them here, are central to today’s teaching of the Nephilim, and you’ll see how those who teach this, those who–not all, but many who are involved in the promotion of this have taken great liberties with the Scripture, and I think that’s being kind. Genesis 6:1-4: “And it came to pass when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
Sarah, last week, as you know, we talked about the Scripture verses and, you know, back when you became a believer and when I became a believer thirty-some years ago, the idea was that, “Okay, well, here’s some verses, and we’re not quite sure how to interpret them, but we’ll take God’s Word for what He says.” But in terms of the understanding of that verse, people had different opinions. Some said that these were angelic beings that had intercourse with human women, and some said, “No, these were the sons of Seth, or of a godly line.” There were a lot of ideas about it. But the point I’m making here is that, well, fine. We can’t be dogmatic about these verses, so we’ll just look at it and try to understand it as best we can, and then kind of push on. Today, in my view, and I want you to speak to this, Sarah, nobody’s pushing on or very few are pushing on, they’re camping out on this with their own speculations, ideas, opinions, and so forth. Would you agree with that?
Sarah: Yeah, absolutely. It’s one of the things about studying Scripture is when you get to some of these verses where we don’t know, we might never know while we’re here on earth what exactly these verses meant, I was always taught–you probably were too–that you just go on. It’s interesting to think about, but you don’t dwell on it, because we don’t know the answer for sure. There’s some things that happened before the flood that we may never quite understand until someday when we get to heaven.
Sarah: But one of the things that’s also a principle of studying the Bible is that the Bible is self-interpreting. The Bible gives us everything we need to know, and then if we are searching for an answer, we go and find other similar Scriptures and start reading and try to cross-match these Scriptures to see what God is saying, and look at the bigger picture, and that’s part of a really good Bible study to do something like that. But there’s a whole group in the evangelical world now who have decided that Scripture is insufficient and may have gone to outside sources, including very ancient, pagan, occult writings, and they have decided that they need to reinterpret the verses that you just read, and so they have concocted an entirely new eschatological scenario or scenarios based on their corruption of this Bible verse. It’s absolutely amazing.
Tom: Now, Sarah, you use the term and what I’ve read from you, and I’d like you to explain this to our listeners: post-modern prophecy teachers. Explain that to us.
Sarah: Well, post-modernism–I go back to Dr. Francis Schaeffer’s definition of post-modernism, which is basically he taught that post-modernism is where you no longer have any foundation in the Word of God anymore. You’ve developed mysticism and esoteric ideas, existential ideas, that kind of thing, and so you say there is no reality, there are no absolutes, God is changing, we are changing, we are evolving, and truth is evolving. That’s post-modernism. And we call the teachers who are teaching new things about this ancient biblical Nephilim, we call them post-modern prophecy paradigm teachers, or PPP, and the paradigm–the reason we put that word in is because they intend to have an entire paradigm shift in how the church views the end times, and this is very, very striking paradigm shift, because it ends up looking very similar to the paradigm shift that the New Agers are talking about.
Tom: Right. So, to say it another way, these people have gotten away from the Bible, okay? They have legitimized in their own minds, at least, extra-biblical information, and so if you would say to somebody, “Well, that’s an interesting theory, but can you give me chapter and verse?” Well, no, they can’t. And they won’t, because they’ve written off the Word of God as the only source of truth with regard to, you know, you mentioned eschatology, spiritual teachings, ideas, whether it be the last days, whether it be, well, from Genesis on, you can see it across the board in terms of the evolutionists who call themselves evangelicals and so on. They do the same thing. But it really means that the Bible is not the absolute truth. It’s not the Word of God, or if it is, it’s just part of the truth, and, you know, because one of the lines they use is, “Well, all truth is God’s truth.” I mean, that’s a super fallacy. But the point is that it is extra-biblical information that cannot be supported alone by Scripture, and that’s where we need to be. That’s why, you know, I mentioned this last week, Isaiah 8:20, “To the law and the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it’s because there’s no light in them.” And Jesus said, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.” So that’s where we need to be.
Sarah: Amen to that. One of the things that we early on discovered: these men are teaching that the reason God sent Noah’s flood was not because of what Scripture calls, “The wickedness of man and the imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” That’s what Scripture says. “The wickedness of man was great on the earth and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” That’s pretty bad. That talks about how evil mankind was. They instead are teaching now that some sort of space alien, fallen angel, hybrid, disembodied spirit creatures came to earth and mated with human women and created hybrid offspring, and that was why God judged the earth, that Noah was the only pure race, that Noah was the only pure seed. Now obviously that has some pretty ominous overtones to it, and it is very close to an old heresy that came out of the Latter Rain Movement called “serpent’s seed,” which taught something very similar, and we’ve actually written a number of posts about it. But then, they take it a step further and they teach that after the flood, this corruption of human DNA continued, and they say that all of the giants that showed up after the flood had to have been these Nephilim hybrid creatures, and that the solution for them is that we have to destroy them, and of course this has very ominous overtones to it, too, because some of the teachers for this are actually talking about profiling children to see what kind of DNA they have. And one of the guys, L.A. Marzulli, is taking a trek to Peru to try to dig up alien skeletons, what he calls space alien skeletons of these Nephilim creatures with elongated skulls. Well, they’re Native American skeletons, and Answers in Genesis’ website has some very excellent articles about giants and DNA, and I encourage everyone to read them, because it’s solid science. It isn’t this wacky stuff that these guys are teaching. But it gets way worse than this.
Tom: You know, as I–maybe I said at the beginning of this program, this stuff is incredibly bizarre. But the problem is that’s part of the attraction. People want to know what’s new and what’s exciting, but in terms of substance, in terms of biblical substance, it’s ludicrous, it’s ridiculous, yet it is drawing people by the millions. The conferences that they’re putting together, the individuals that they have at conferences, we’ll get into that in a second, because I do want to talk about some of the individuals who are what I would call major players in this. But, again, people are getting excited about it, but one of the reasons is not everybody, there are certainly those who are discerning, who are Bereans, who are checking everything out according to the Scriptures, but the sad thing is that true believers–and sometimes, they just blow this stuff off like, “Well, it’s no big deal. These are wackos. These are this or that.” You know, whatever characteristic they want to apply there. But the sad part is many of those who are being drawn into this are believers; a lack of discernment, but these are our brothers and sisters in Christ who are moving in this direction or being entertained by this stuff, which is a huge problem.
Sarah: Actually, it is a huge problem. For example, I talked to a young man about 34 years old who I have to work with closely on an every-other-day basis, and he had gotten a bit captivated by this. But why? He’s a solid Christian, yet he was raised in the Star Wars, Star Trek generation, the science fiction generation. So in a lot of ways, Americans have been desensitized to thinking in terms of outer space and space creatures and space aliens, and so people like to speculate. They love to–“Well, maybe it was this, and maybe it was that,” and pretty soon they are entertaining these ideas or these suggestions or the writings or speakings of these men without really, really, really thinking it or even going back to Scripture. Now, one of the things these guys base their entire hypothesis on is the Book of Enoch, which is not in the canon, and they go back to all sorts of other apocryphal writings. They go back to pseudepigraphical writings and they go back to ancients, to Marian legends, they go back to the Egyptian Book of the Dead, if you can believe that, that’s one of the most horrific occult books in the history of mankind, and they incorporate all of this into their writings as though it were fact and truth.
Tom: And, because they put it in such, in some cases, sophisticated language that you’re impressed by the pseudo-scientific aspect of that, and you say, “Oh, well, I don’t know anything about that, but I’ll just take his word for it.” No! This is extra-biblical information at least, if not worse.
Sarah: Yes. It’s definitely extra-biblical, and a lot of it started back in 1997 with Chuck Missler’s book Alien Encounters. Almost every single modern prophecy teacher that’s into this refers back to Chuck Missler’s book as what changed them, what changed their eschatology. And so on our blog Herescope, I’ve been doing an in-depth review of this book, and what I’ve discovered is that back in 1997, we didn’t have the internet like we have now, and people couldn’t have gone out and checked the footnotes and the sources and the names he gives as these “credible experts and scientists,” and what I found out is that it’s all a bunch of hocus pocus; that he has gone out to leading New Age writers and leading New Age sources to get all of this information, including the really wackiest fringe of the UFO cults including the Pleiadians and the Raelians and groups like that to get information, and he presents it as though it’s factual.
Tom: Mm-hmm. Well, Sarah, since you mentioned Chuck Missler, let me give our listeners the subtitle for his book, and then I’ve got a question for you. The book is called Alien Encounters, and in many circles, Chuck has been the poster boy for non-believers, for those who are into this kind of thing, whether they be UFO researchers, or just speculators, whatever it might be. But the subtitle to the book is The Secret Behind the UFO Phenomena. Now, Sarah, I ask you, you’ve been through the book, you’ve researched it and so on, what’s the secret?
Sarah: Well, the secret is that the space aliens are Nephilim, and that they’re coming back to the earth to invade us–this is the new eschatology scenario–and that we’ve got to do something about it. It’s…Chuck Missler has always liked crazies, he’s always like conspiracy theories, so the book is full of all of that, but the basic gist of it is that these Nephilim are coming back, and there’s going to be this horrible end time crisis and deception.
Tom: Now, look, I remember–let’s go back. I remember when Spiritual Counterfeits Project, many others when there was a kind of great manifestation worldwide of UFOs and so on they dealt with it back in the 80s, all right? And the bottom line was these are demons, okay? That was their point. Does Chuck come to that point? Does Chuck come to that point here, being the secret? What’s the secret behind the UFO phenomena? Does he spell it out very clearly that these are demons?
Sarah: No. In fact, that’s one of the most interesting things I stumbled on is that these are fallen angels, he says, which are different, he says, from demons. So therefore, you don’t deal with them like you would Satan and demons. Yeah, now that opens a whole can of worms theologically.
Tom: Without a doubt. But once again, my problem here is if somebody would say, “Well, what do I need to know to really be aware of how false this is? And why would I say, or anybody else say that these are demons?” Well, going back to evangelicals who have dealt with this issue over the years, that’s the bottom line, that these are demonic. And why do they say that? Because it isn’t just a matter of the manifestations that really could be answered in terms of demons, being spirit entities, but it’s also the gospel that they present. It was called the Cosmic Gospel, and it’s so contrary to the Word of God that the only mind behind it, to say that, has to be the adversary, Satan himself, because it presents a false gospel, false messiahs, all of this stuff, and it’s been that way historically. But now, with Chuck and his book and these others that are writing about this, it’s not just Chuck–Tom Horn, you mentioned Marzulli, I.D.E. Thomas, Gary Stearman, Chris Putnam–I mean, we could go on and on and on. These guys have raised this to a whole new level of so-called “sophistication,” but it’s absolutely at odds, contrary to what the Scriptures teach.
Sarah: Absolutely. In fact, the idea of physics is coming from scientists, some of them very credible scientists, who also dabbled in metaphysics and put a metaphysical interpretation–that means a spiritual, occult interpretation–on the research they were doing. So a lot of what Missler writes sounds very scientific, you know? It sounds very scholarly and most people wouldn’t even know how to deal with it, except that some of the physics that he writes about I actually recognize as having been taught in college in humanistic psychology classes, which is very odd, but it came straight out of Stanford Research Institute, Willis Harman, that kind of thing. So this is very disturbing.
Tom: You know, Chuck has done some really good things in the past. I’ve spoken at prophecy conferences with him and so on, but I have a concern here, and as you do, as well, that–and I know people that have known him for a long time, spoke with him about this issue–you need to get back to the Bible, to the Word of God. I mean, this stuff is not as complicated, although it’s maybe entertaining that way, but it really–it’s something very simple. These manifestations, UFO manifestations, this is not just occultic, but it’s demonic, and that’s the simple truth, and we need to get back to the simple truth and not buy into all these speculations and opinions and ideas and, you know, many of which are New Age, many of which are just occult, many of which are, as you said, this is the “new quantum mechanics,” all of that, quantum physics. It’s bogus, and we don’t need that. We need to get back to the Word of God.
Sarah, I want to take you to a recent event. I know you weren’t there, but you’re aware of it. I’m talking about the Pike’s Peak Summit Conference put on by Prophecy in the News which features many of the people that I just mentioned, Missler was there, Stearman, Marzulli, Horn, all of these guys, and it sold out. It’s huge. Now, what do we do about this? Obviously we’re a rescue operation. We’re trying to get this information out to people. But these people seem to have this on a big-time roll.
Sarah: They do, and honestly, up until the last couple of months, we’ve been the only ones writing about it, at Herescope, and it’s just almost by accident that we even stumbled onto this. I had–one of my research friends gave me a copy of Tom Horn’s book Apollyon Rising 2012. Well, of course that book is all about the Mayan prophecies that were supposed to be fulfilled in 2012, and Tom Horn wrote as though those were credible prophecies, and another one of my research associates, Gaylene Goodroad, had gone to a Red River Bible Conference in which she had run into a booth where they were selling Tom Horn’s book, and she comes out of an Eastern mystical worldview, too. She got born again from it, and she wrote a whole book that’s published online called My Life in the Way, because she had a number of black belts and that kind of thing. So because we both came from that Eastern mystical worldview in our testimonies, when we started reading this, we recognized what we were reading, and so between the two of us, with the help of some of the ministers that we work with at Discernment, we began to start writing about this, and we have written a multitude of articles. That’s what we’ve focused on the past couple of years, and just trying to sound the warnings, because so much of this is based on totally extra-biblical sources that are straight out of the occult. It’s very alarming.
Tom: Sarah, I couldn’t agree with you more. We’ve only got a minute or so left in our discussion here, but that’s what we recommend that believers do, not only check out your website and so on, but bottom line is they’ve got to be into the Word of God. They’ve got to ask the Berean question, “Give me chapter and verse for that.” If it’s not according to God’s Word, if they can’t find the relationship there–I’m talking about very specific relationship–if it’s not there, they have to blow past it, or encourage others who buy into this, friends and so on, to “search the Scriptures daily to see if these things are so.” What would you add to that, Sarah?
Sarah: I would just say that getting old Bible commentaries, staying in the Word of God, and just being skeptical, on not entertaining–I mean, some of this is very vivid imagery, it’s very captivating, very intoxicating. Stay away from it. It’s not good.
Tom: Amen, amen. Well, Sarah, thanks so much for your input. …We’ve raised some eyebrows, but–and I know people will be upset, because we named names and dealt with that, but nevertheless, if the Bereans who were Jews in the synagogue of the Greek city of Berea, if they were challenging–commended for challenging the Apostle Paul– that’s where we need to be, that’s where we ought to be in Jesus’ name.
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HEBREW ROOTS, THE NEPHILIM, AND THE SHROUD OF TURIN COME TOGETHER
TBC: The 2013 Pikes Peak Prophecy Conference at the end of July will feature speakers including Gary Stearman, Tom Horn, Chuck Missler, Jonathan Cahn, L.A. Marzulli, Mark Biltz, Lennart Moller, Joseph Farah, and others. The conference is sold out, and we probably shouldn’t be surprised. The featured topics, while hardly biblical, are exciting and seem to capture the attention of those who seek to be ever learning (2 Timothy 3:7).
In his 2/14/13 blog, L.A. Marzulli posted an article entitled, “Evolution or Hybrid? As in the Days of Noah…” in which he speculates about the meaning of a Chinese boy born with blue eyes. Marzulli issues a token warning that “We shouldn’t, however, jump on the Nephilim hybrid band wagon just yet, not until further tests are done on the boy,” before jumping on that same band wagon himself. “We are told that it will be like the days of Noah when the son of man returns. This begs the question, what differentiates the days of Noah from any other? In my opinion it is the presence of the fallen angels openly manifesting on the earth and engaging in sex with human females, that resulted in hybrids. The question I would ask the mother of the child is this, does she recall being taken? Did she see lights in the sky and then have a period of missing time? I realize that the main street churches won’t touch this with a 100-foot pole, but that doesn’t mean in any way that the phenomena isn’t real, burgeoning, and not going away, does it?”
Commentator Gaylene Goodroad notes, “If the foundation laid by God in Genesis 6 is shifted from personal sin to supposed invading gods and demonic DNA, then Christ’s prophecy concerning ‘the days of Noah’ will also be altered to fit the Nephilim scenario. Note the Lord’s actual teaching: ‘And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:26-27).
“But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be” (Matt. 24:37-39).
“The Scripture mentions four things that will be taking place on the earth prior to His return: mankind will be ‘eating,’ ‘drinking,’ ‘marrying,’ and ‘being given in marriage.’ There is NO mention of an outside demonic horde planning to corrupt the human gene pool by sexual and reproductive means! The clear implication of these sobering passages is that people–sinners–will be doing normal things up until the time judgment comes. They won’t be prepared for what happens very quickly–like the flood waters that overtook the men and women of Noah’s day. The details for this judgment are found in the Book of Revelation–and the Nephilim are conspicuously absent from all twenty-two chapters.”
Marzulli has laid down rules at his blog, saying “There are a few topics [Marzulli is not to] be challenged here [on the blog] since he’s a proponent or has colleagues who are strong proponents. Some of these are: The authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, the UFO phenomena, the Book of Enoch,” etc.
Whatever happened to “prove all things, hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)?
Consequently, it is not surprising to see that the conference will “be arranging special two-hour tours of the Shroud of Turin Museum” along with “archaeological updates on the Shroud of Turin; the Lost Shipwreck of Paul; the Mystery of Masada and the Egyptian chariot wheels discovered in the Red Sea!”
In addition to Nephilim promoters L.A. Marzulli, Tom Horn, Chuck Missler, and Gary Stearman, the prophecy conference also features Hebrew Roots teacher Mark Blitz, who has stated quite bluntly on his website: “”My goal is not to convert Jews to Christianity but to bring non-Jews to a better understanding of YHVH through a better understanding of Torah. I think most Christians do not know YHVH as He really is but know Him as they have tried to create Him in their image rather than understanding they were created in His image. Many Christians believe they have a relationship with YHVH but they don’t.”
He says further, “I believe Christianity has hijacked Yeshua and has been presenting an Egyptian, which is why Yeshua is not recognized….The time is coming when the Jewish people will recognize the role Yeshua played and they will then fulfill their mission in taking Torah to the nations. They will straighten out the Christians theology in what Yeshua was really saying” (Ibid.).
The fantastical mix of mythology, science fiction, and biblical wresting shows no sign of abating, and we hope to address other aspects of these unscriptural teachings.
[TBC: Last week we presented part 1 of a discussion regarding evangelicals such as “Tom Horn, Joseph Lumpkin, and Chuck Missler, [needing] other books of antiquity and mythologies to integrate paranormal activity with the end-times scenario that they are seeking to create.” The writer continues his discussion of Rob Skiba’s rationale for regarding apocryphal books as “Scripture.”]
“BABYLON RISING” AND CANON IN CRISIS APOCRYPHA, PSEUDEPIGRAPHA, FRESH REVELATIONS, AND AN “OPEN” CANON [Excerpts]
During His life and ministry, Jesus often quoted from the Law (His favorite book being Deuteronomy), the prophets and the writings. He told the Emmaus disciples “that all things which are written about [Him] in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and
the Psalms [writings] must be fulfilled” (Luke 24:44).Not once in the Gospel record does Jesus quote from an apocryphal or pseudepigraphal writing. Though He could have, He did not. Skiba says Jesus valued those books, but ironically he never quoted from or alluded to them. 
 Paul’s quotation reads: “One of themselves [one of the “many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers . . . of the circumcision”], even a prophet of their own [evidently claiming to be inspired of God], said, The Cretians are always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth” (Emphasis added, Titus 1:12-14). When Paul states, This witness is true, he’s not validating the contents of what was said, but only that a false prophet, likely a Jew, “really” uttered the false prophecy as witnesses confirmed to him.
 The exact citation from I Enoch reads: “Behold, he [God] will arrive with ten million of the holy ones in order to execute judgment on all. He will destroy the wicked ones and censure all flesh on account of everything that they have done, that which the sinners and the wicked ones committed against him.” See “The Book of Enoch,” The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, Volume 1, James H. Charlesworth, Editor (New York, NY: Doubleday, 1983): 13-14.
Part one HERE
Bible Prophecy in Crisis
The Rise of Apocalyptic Paganism in the Church
Horn has some VERY convincing arguments in many instances, and he has some rarely exposed research information. Horn is correct that Freemasonry and other secret orders want a new order of the ages using America as a springboard to do it and they are in deep alliance with the occult. This is highly seductive to the Bible believer who is interested in prophecy. His errors are that he accepts the Apocrypha (when even the Reformers didn’t view the Apocrypha as inspired of God) as equivalent to the Bible and refuses to expose the Vatican as a heretical church system explicitly. Horn supports the Apocrypha and the Book of Enoch as a means to promote his view on the Nephilim.
The Palestinian Jews or Jewish people in Israel never accepted the Apocrypha as inspired. Nor did the Samaritans. The Jews in Alexandria never officially accepted the LXX as canonical. The leading fathers of the Greek Church did not accept the Apocrypha as inspired writings. Principle lights among the Early Church Fathers rejected the idea of the inspiration of the Apocrypha. The book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher have tons of contradictions and aren’t divinely inspired of God. Jasher 18:9 states that one of the angels tells Abraham that Sarah will have a son, but Gen. 17:16 says that God told Abraham. In Jasher 42:30-41, Rachel talks to Joseph from the grave. This is of course necromancy and is an abomination unto the Lord (Deuteronomy 18:11-12). Tertullian admits that the Jews never accepted the Book of Enoch as authentic and that Christians of his time also rejected it. So, it isn‘t wonder that New Agers like the late Elizabeth Claire Prophet supports the Book of Enoch. In Chapter 40:9-10 of the Book of Enoch, it falsely says that the angel Phanuel can give eternally life to over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life: “…9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’ 10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those….”
The Bible is clear that Phanuel does not exist in the Scriptures. It’s blasphemy to say that an angel is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches. We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel… “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Salvation is found ONLY in Christ Jesus, “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” King David said in Psalm 62:6, “He (Jesus) only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.” Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins, and shed His blood to pay for them (1st Peter 1:18-19); therefore, we must be diligent to guard and defend against LIARS and imposters who would lead people to believe otherwise. 1st John 2:22 clearly indicts all Christ-deniers as LIARS, guilty before God. The Book of Enoch, on chapter 69:8-12 says that a being named Penemue told man to write in ink and paper, etc. which doesn’t exist in the Bible at all. The Book of Enoch teaches that 450 tall feet giants exist in the world via relations of angels plus women. There is no biblical or scientifically evidence of this reality.
*Tom Horn is promoting his new book on Prophecy in the News, called “The Researchers Library of Ancient Texts Volume 1. He and Gary Stearman say that these books are not on a par with the Bible….yet then go on to say that “these studies are on the front burner,” the “predictions are astonishing”, it is for “serious Bible researchers..”
I have come to believe that these studies are meant to distract from the simple truths we find in the books of the Canon. Satan’s plan is to distort truth of the Word of God and make people believe it has no power in itself. Seduction lies in wait as a promise of hidden knowledge only for those who are enlightened enough to find it. I reject all teachers or pastors who promote these books, hidden codes, esoteric knowledge or long lost texts. I accept only those teachers who are faithful to God’s Word in the canon and who guard and shepherd the small flock by teaching the Bible and its truth and applications so that we can find salvation and learn to live lives holy unto the Lord.
By Ronald Harnage
This subject opens a whole realm of questions that need to be addressed in order to arrive at a biblically sound conclusion.So I did what I always do with a difficult subject,I completely discarded my own ideas and approached it like I had not dealt with this subject before,so I examined it from every angle and balanced it against scripture,and what God has taught me through His word.There are two main camps of doctrinal beliefs surrounding this issue.After closely examining both and spending all morning trying to make their entire teaching of either fit into scripture I came up empty handed on both sides,neither of them will completely line up with God’s word.It goes back to what you often find in the church concerning two sets of doctrines,often times one is counterfeit and the other is religious,both of them having some truth and both of them being unreliable because they focus on some scriptures yet exclude others,the whole counsel of God has to be considered.So what do we have?
Lets start with the occultic infiltrations so that we can whittle down the confusion a bit. A lot of the basis for the Nephilim teachings are extra-biblical and primarily are focused on the book of Enoch.Let us consider first that the book of Enoch has never been a part of cannonical scripture.It wasn’t listed by the Jews in the Old Testament and I believe largely because it did not exist until the rise of Gnosticism that we see at the advent of Christianity,but lets start with the inception of it’s modern influence.
It begins with James Bruce,the discoverer of what is widely accepted as the book of Enoch.Rumors of a surviving copy of the book in 1773 sent the Scottish explorer James Bruce to distant Ethiopia in search of it. There he found the Ethiopic church had saved the book and kept it alongside of the other books of the Bible. Bruce was able to secure not one, but three copies of the Ethiopic book that he brought back to Europe and England. In 1821, Dr. Richard Laurence, an Oxford Hebrew professor, produced the first translation.
Richard Laurance,translator of the Book of Enoch had this to say about the timing of its writing-” Presuming therefore that the book before us,(Enoch) was a composition of some unknown Jew or Jews. I shall therefore consider what criteria afforded us to determine at what period it may have been written…There exists sufficient internal evidence to indicate that it was written long subsequent of the commencement and conclusion of the Babylonian captivity. This book was written a few years AT MOST before the begining of the Christian era.” The earliest Ethiopic text was apparently made from a Greek manuscript of the book, which itself was a copy of an earlier text. The original text appears to have been written in a Semitic language, now thought to be a dialect of Aramaic that is commonly asscoiated with the Essenes,who were a Gnostic sect.
New Agers,Luciferians and other occultists use the book of Enoch to indoctrinate the unsuspecting into occult mysticism.When I was in the occult the book of Enoch was actually the first book in my library. I had it for most of my occult career. Along with other Gnostic books such as the book of Moses(The Assumption of Moses and the Testament of Moses),and the Greater and Lesser keys of Solomon,they are highly regarded in the occult world.
I think one point you may find interesting is what is commonly known about Bruce in the occult world.Bruce was a disciple of Helena Blavatsky,who as you may recall I mentioned in my note “Inside the Occult 2”, that she was the first female member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn,and a colleague of Aleistar Crowley,the most famous satanist to date. Blavatsky created the first tenants of theosophy which were accepted as organised doctrines for Luciferianism.Blavatsky gave high praise to the book of Enoch and its author.In her book “The Secret Doctrine” volume 3-and I quote”Thus the book of Enoch is entirely symbolic.It relates to the history of the human race and their relation to theogony,(basically theogony is greek myths),the symbols being interblended with astrological and cosmic mysteries.” Blavatsky goes on to mention Bruce by name and grants him high regard and status in the occult world for his work.James Bruce introduced this book into the new age movement and it has long been known to be a Gnostic text.
Next question,who were the Gnostics? To put it simply the Gnostics were the first Qaballists to incorporate Christian themes, which were in turn perverted to suit their own beliefs.This they then combined with Greek mythology.What they produced was highly heretical literature that would be the first established beliefs in what would later be termed as luciferianism. Many of their writings perverted the diety of Christ and soveriengty of God,in fact making God the villain who was ejected from heaven and lucifer the maligned and misunderstood hero and true reigning god.
Qaballism goes back to ancient times,it is basically Jewish sorcery,where they have learned the paganistic practices of the heathen nations and incorporated it into their own culture,making their own cultural type of sorcery.
The Qabbalah itself consists of a large body of speculation on the nature of divinity, the creation, the origin and fate of the soul and also the role of human beings. It generally is subdivided into four sections: meditative, devotional, mystical and magical. It is for this reason that Qabbalah is regarded as an occultic offshoot of Judaism.
The gnosis of the Qabbalah is well recognized by Jewish scholars. From an article cited in the Jewish Encyclopedia, we see the intimate relationship between Gnosticism and the Caballa:The Jewish Encyclopedia quotes the opinion that “The central doctrine of Gnosticism,a movement closely tied to Jewish mysticism,was nothing else but the attempt to liberate the soul and unite it with God; but apparently this was to be affected through the use of mysteries,incantations and the use of the names of angels,(angel worship),..etc. It will be seen how widely even this phase of Gnosticism differs from Christianity and identifies itself with the magical Qabbalah of the Jews.”
You can see how at the outset Gnosticism completely abandons salvation through Jesus Christ,and places it solely in the hands of the practitioner to somehow obtain salvation through magical means,you could not possibly get any more occultic than this.
M.Matter states in Histor de Gnosticisme, that Jewish scholars fully understand that secret oral traditions of the Cabbalah were previous to any Christian Gnosticism.
In Some notes on various sects of Gnosticism and their possible affects on Freemasonry,D.F. Ranking notes that the secret oral tradition of the Cabbalists confirms them as being Gnostics.” This claim to a secret oral tradition confirms the conception of the Gnostics as Cabbalists and shows how far they had departed from Christian teaching.For if only in this idea of one doctrine for the ignorant and another for the initiated the Gnostics restored the very system that Christianity had come to destroy.”
Author Nesta Webster concurs with M. Matter and other historians that Gnosticism involved an attempt to Cabbalise Christianity….”M. Matter was therefore right in saying that Gnosticism was not a defection from Christianity,but a combination of systems into which a few Christian elements were introduced.The result of Gnosticism was not to Christianise the Cabbalah but to Cabbalise Christianity by mingling its pure and simple teaching with theosophy and even magic.”
I could include a great number of other secular historians and Jewish scholars that say the same thing,as a matter of fact you will not find one that doesnt see that Gnosticism was but a new sect of Qabbalism that arose to directly confront Christianity.
The book of Jude quotes Enoch in verses 6, 14, and 15.Which he just as well may have taken from oral tradition. This does not mean that we should accept the whole book as the authoritative word of God and that it should be included in the bible.Jude’s quotes are not the only quotes in the gospels from an unbiblical source.The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12. That does not mean we should build doctrines around Epimenides entire writings.The same can be said about Jude.Jude’s quotes by no means grant carte blanche’ to the entire works of Gnostic literature,which is what I see happening in the church,not only with the book of Enoch, but other Gnostic writings as well.All Jude is saying is this particular passage is true.We do the same thing on facebook everyday when we post clips and sermons from people that we dont entirely agree with but what they are saying on a particular subject happens to be biblically correct.Evidently though,this was something that Enoch prophesied or the bible would not attribute it to him. Apparently, this may have been handed down by oral tradition,as was Genesis and the book of Job were largely taken from oral tradition until they became among the first scriptural traditions.We should treat the book of Enoch and other Gnostic writings as interesting but heretical documents that only entertain an acceptance of occult philosophies.Some of what it says is true but a great deal of it is false and I could easily do a lengthy note on just the heresies found in it.They are not the inspired authoritative word of God.They are however fullfilling the purpose for which they were created and that is to sow doubt and confusion along with occult teachings into the Body of Christ.
Jude quotes from 1 Enoch, a second-Temple Jewish writing, (Jude 14 = 1 Enoch 1:9) and another Gnostic work in Jude 9, possibly what early Christian writers identified as the Assumption of Moses.The honest problem facing the infant Roman Church of 390 A.D., when first assembling today’s Bible, was that the existing copies of 1 Enoch varied. There is no way of knowing which versions are the original and which are the errors,it does make it impossible to anchor beliefs or arguments on any given section.
This alone is a legitimate reason to exclude it from the holy writ. When faced with the task of declaring what is and what is not the “inspired, infallible Word of God,” erring on the side of caution and certainty must be the case every time! (Only those who do not believe in the divine inspiration, and modern integrity, of scripture will be dissatisfied with this reasoning. ) The translation copies available (presumably) in 390 A.D., and especially those we have today, could not with any certainty also be classified as “infallible.”The church did in fact suppress The Book of Enoch.
Realistically however, there was also a “point” to the canon. The goal and even eternal function in assembling the earliest Bibles was NOT merely sorting out what was inspired of God and what was not. They also had the specific intent of promoting and preserving a solid doctrinal foundation for all believers in Christ. Like Paul, they had to passionately argue against Gnosticism – “the doctrine of salvation by knowledge ,” or the idea that gaining “superior” and/or “hidden” knowledge ensures one some higher spiritual position – opposed to a simple obedient faith in Christ.
Gnostics strive for a mystical face to face experience with God that does not include the gospel of repentance or Christ as Saviour. It is one of the most volatile combinations of witchcraft and self-justification ever produced.The Church strongly opposed Gnostics… labeling mystical experiences as from God was taboo… Putting a stamp of approval on such a wild tale (Enoch) would have too many people believing that they could experience God for themselves without any need for a saviour or repentance, … Those who experience visions or personal insights from mystical sources are dangerous to the gospel,because the very purpose is to instill the belief that supernatural experinces alone qualify one for salvation. They lead people astray by supporting beliefs and practices that are clearly not of God and that are centered around pagan philosophies . This has been brought to bear on us in a very real way today as we can see that the Charismatic movement does highly esteem,and promote those who have had mystical experiences while at the same time disregarding any serious promotion of the gospel.
The truth is that Gnostics “strive for” experiencing God without knowing and submitting to Christ or His Body, the church. Even today, the wish to “experience God face-to-face” without Christ’s mediation (1 Timothy 2:5) is not just an honest effort to avoid false religion (of which there is much), but to not submit to any spiritual authority at all – whether it be God’s Church, God’s Word or even God’s Christ! It should always be kept in perspective that “the church” was not Rome’s, or even man’s idea. Jesus said “I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it (Mt 16:18).” The early church rightly opposed Gnosticism, but beginning with Paul’s letters, not with the Roman Church. Many who passionately promote (or just reprint and sell) 1 Enoch today do so not with the intention of promoting a deeper faith in God’s inspired Word, but more with the intent of undermining the Bible’s authority – and especially the church’s. 1 Enoch’s clear historical integrity but “lack of inclusion in the Bible” is often used to “springboard” arguments for other “favorite” heretical books, left out for all the right reasons. Modern Gnostics are often fond of several other “gospels” ,such as Thomas and Mary, both of which have heretical statements and theologies that clearly contradict the message of the gospel, proving they were NOT inspired by God,but definitely inspired..by satan himself.
Now,having established that the book of Enoch was from Gnostic literature we can proceed to look at the doctrines surrounding Genesis 6, having set the Gnostic myths surrounding it aside.This should be a more than reasonable course for anyone that considers God’s word to be the authoritative source of all truth.
The Heresies of Enoch and proof that it appeared after the gospels!
The Book of Enoch is packed full of heresy. I’ve only included a few examples but theres more in there. I think though, that this is more than any reasonable believer should need in order to see that this book is occultic and it is blasphemous. For example:
We read in chapter 40 of the Book of Enoch…
1 And after that I saw thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, I saw a multitude
2 beyond number and reckoning, who stood before the Lord of Spirits. And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things.
3 And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory.
4 The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.
5 And the second voice I heard blessing
6 the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits. And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits.
7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord
8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: ‘Who are these four presences which I have
9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.
The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches.
We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel… “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins, and shed His blood to pay for them (1st Peter 1:18-19); therefore, we must be diligent to guard and defend against LIARS and imposters who would lead people to believe otherwise.
1st John 2:22 clearly indicts all Christ-deniers as LIARS, guilty before God. There is nothing,or no one that can take Jesus’ rightful place as Redeemer and Savior.That is for Christ and Christ alone!
John 14:6-Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. He is our High Priest forever! Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
The Holy Spirit itself is named as the Spirit of Christ-Romans 8:9-But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Our salvation rests in Jesus Christ,the Risen Savior of mankind and the only begotten Son of God and not some demon named Phanuel!
And what did Paul say about that?-
Galatians 1:6-9,I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
This singular passage alone is enough to solidify this book as doctrines of demons, heretical teachings and blasphemy against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Any reasonable Christian would see that they have no need at all for any book that would do such a thing. Gnostic literature always,always undermines the diety of Christ!
Here’s chapter 48:1-3…
1 And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness Which was inexhaustible: And around it were many fountains of wisdom: And all the thirsty drank of them, And were filled with wisdom, And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect. 2 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits, And his name before the Head of Days. 3 Yea, before the sun and the signs were created, Before the stars of the heaven were made, His name was named before the Lord of Spirits.
Was the Son of Man named? When was Jesus named in Heaven? This is an attack on the deity of Jesus. Jesus Himself claimed in Revelation 1:8, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Jesus is Eternal, without beginning or end. Head of Days? Lord of Spirits? These terms are NOT found in the Bible.
IF the Book of Enoch were valid, composing well over 100 chapters, there should be numerous New Testament references to it; but there aren’t. Although some people claim that the Bible quotes the Book of Enoch over 100 times, this is simply not true. Just as the Qur’an, the Book of Enoch borrows from the Word of God. In sharp contrast to the Book of Enoch, the New Testament often quotes the Book of Genesis.
I would also point out that this passage could have only been written after the coming of Christ, and the writing of the New Testament where this was obviously taken from.The Old Testament consistently uses son of man in reference to man,often as God speaking to a man. The Bible does not use son of man as a title for Christ,until Jesus Himself declares Himself such in the New Testament.
We read in the Book of Enoch, chapter 69:8-12…
8 …And the fourth was named Penemue: he taught the
9 children of men the bitter and the sweet, and he taught them all the secrets of their wisdom. And he instructed mankind in writing with ink and paper, and thereby many sinned from eternity to
10 eternity and until this day. For men were not created for such a purpose, to give confirmation
11 to their good faith with pen and ink. For men were created exactly like the angels, to the intent that they should continue pure and righteous, and death, which destroys everything, could not have taken hold of them, but through this their knowledge they are perishing, and through this power
12 it is consuming me.
What … man’s wisdom came from a demon named Penemue? That’s crazy! Did ink and paper cause the fall of the human race? Whoa … ! It was Adam’s sin that brought sin into the world (Romans 5:12); not evil literature. Mankind is inherently evil of himself, prone to the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21). The lost sin because they are sinners,born with a fallen nature,inherited directly from Adam!
Although demons definitely influence mankind to do evil, man was already fallen long before he began to pursue idolatry and witchcraft. Christ came and died not to save us from witchcraft, but from all sin. Also, notice in 69:6, that the Book of Enoch claims that a demon named Gadreel led Eve astray and introduced weaponry to mankind. How absurd. The Bible identifies the serpent which deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden as Satan (Ezekiel 28:13).
As a person progresses deeper into the Book of Enoch, they will eventually find the Books of Adam and Eve fascinating as well, and then they will be into New Age occultism without even realizing it. Don’t be fooled, the Book of Enoch is occult material,written by gnostics that will lead you into the senseless mysticism of pagan religion. Keep in mind the philosophies of the Gnostics laid the groundwork for what today is termed Luciferianism.
The book of Enoch consistently glorifies angels in the rightful place of Jesus, at best this is promoting angel worship which is nothing more than trafficking in demons..sorcery, which is why it is so highly utilized in the occult,with a whole realm of sorcery dedicated to it known as Enochian Magic. This should be more than enough right here to satisfy any questions on whether or not the book of Enoch is the inspired word of God, there are though numerous other contradictions and outright false teachings contained in this book.