This is a nice article from Discernment 4 Truth

This morning I read Matthew 10 and a particular verse that stayed with me is verse 15
“I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgement than for that town. I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.”
Now in the past I always thought this verse applied to people that don’t believe in God and those outside of the church. I read this verse and it struck me who the wolves are. Those within the church that portray a form of godliness, those that claim to know the way but instead they show deception. There are wolves within churches. Could Jesus have been talking about those that actually claim to know God? This verse is not just for those that don’t know God, it is for those who are out there that are influencing the church negatively leading them to another doctrine other than the true gospel.
The verse where we need to be shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves is towards those who claim to know it all, those in leadership that are blinding the sheep and leading them to another Jesus. Honestly, when I look at the verse the way I now see it, it makes so much sense.
People that have never heard about Jesus or new born christians will embrace truth more than the ‘christian’ who has been in the church for more than 20 years who has the feeling in their heart that they know it all. A person who is devoted to Todd Bently and the lakeland revival is so blinded to the truth that they are harder to rebuke, teach, encourage than the unsaved. The wolves are not those outside the church as their influence is not to steer someone away from true doctrine and a christian will not follow the outsider who drinks and lives in sin, the christian is more likely to be deceived by a self acclaimed apostle or prophet.. They are the wolves. Mind boggling.. and I hope I have made sense here.
It is funny because the one time before walking into the church I had a picture in my mind of the majority of them being wolves and I shut my mind up thinking that I was being silly but looking back, it makes a lot more sense.
The point that I am trying to make is that we really ought to discern more and never be afraid to question what is going on. We have a duty to look out for oneanother in all things. We are sheep among wolves and we need to be focused on the Good shepherd and follow His leading in everything.
“Savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.”
Acts 20:29-30
“There will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves.”
2 Peter 2:1
“Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.”
1 John 4:1-3
2 Cor. 11:3-4 “But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted– you may well put up with it. (you will have to endure it, or you wear it beautifully, and some do).”
Gal 1:6-9: “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
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December 10, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Jeff
How could he be talking about wolves in the church when they at the time were the only church in town (so to speak)? I still read it the way u did at first.
I believe there are wolves in the church for sure, just don’t think that’s what he was saying in that verse.
Splitn Hairs I guess,
Jeff
December 11, 2008 at 12:33 am
Getting There
The the way I read the bible now.. it’s for today as much as it was then.. so now with new eyes it’s pretty much a mind boggling eye opener for me.. guess I am just trying to make sense of it all.. these days are getting more confusing than ever before.. it is best to stay focused on Jesus, the bible and prayer!
December 11, 2008 at 7:15 am
Kim
There has always been false teachers and wolves in the church. Satan has made sure of that.
I am out-of-town for a week or so and if my responses seem short that is the reason……
December 11, 2008 at 10:05 am
Jeff
so he was talking to them and us at the same time… hmm well yes I agree with that, I guess I learned that verse at church to mean the wolves were out side the flock at least in that passage. I always thought it was a lesson to them as to how to spead the word with out getting killed or put in jail.
I’m sorry I thought that’s what I was told. I will re think it.
Getting there also,
Jeff
December 11, 2008 at 10:52 am
Getting There
Jeff, I might be way off too but the more I think upon it, the crazier it gets especially in the confines of church walls.. it’s depressing.. the one place you should be able to find truth is the church but instead it has become chaotic and upsetting.. I am figuring it out as I go along and to be honest.. most of the time I am totally reliant on what I learn from day to day.. my recent post explains exaclty where I am right now.. . . So I don’t have all the answers but the interpretation of that verse today.. seems to go both ways.. inside and outside the church are many wolves in sheeps clothing.
December 11, 2008 at 11:38 am
Jeff
yea well kim seems to lean in your direction on this so it’s me that is prob way off as usal… LOL
It is sad in one way that we have been mis lead in the church of all places but on the other hand it’s a great new way to revisit Him and his real word. May we “be of good cheer” about it.
Did you go to Lakeland?
December 11, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Jeff
I have found today that what keeps me from going nuts when everything turns into Alice & Wounderland is simply focusing on what Christ did at Calvary.This is one absolute and final thing I know we can hang are hats! No matter what the wolves are doing, saying or if I just don’t understand a verse or what ever I can still “Be of good cheer”gigeling inside..
It works for me anyway…
“Victory is Ours”.
December 11, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Jeff
Getting There,
May I suggest that “victory is ours” not victory will be ours.
My sister you allready “Got there”!
December 11, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Jeff
sheep “among” wolves.. The word among is starting to pull me in your direction.
Good post!
December 12, 2008 at 12:24 am
Getting There
“I have found today that what keeps me from going nuts when everything turns into Alice & Wounderland is simply focusing on what Christ did at Calvary.This is one absolute and final thing I know we can hang are hats! No matter what the wolves are doing, saying or if I just don’t understand a verse or what ever I can still “Be of good cheer”gigeling inside..
It works for me anyway…
“Victory is Ours”.”
Wow Jeff, this made me emotional… because its so true, thanks for reminding me of this.
I did not go to lakeland and Praise God I didn’t even see it in action.. The xpastor was heavily involved so much so he left our country South Africa to go to lakeland for an annointing.. He handed out dvd’s on the lakeland revival and it would not work on my pc or my dvd machine.. then I did some research on him and when the pastor came back I questioned him on things and was told I have a ‘critical spirit’ and a ‘religious spirit’ I left the church immediately. The whole church got suckered into it and I just cried for days about it.. I really devoted all I was and all I am into that church only to find that I was way off base too. daily as I prayed for truth.. more things came up.. the health wealth gospel.. soul ties.. generational curses and all of this stuff that I was taught had to be undone and I repented..
I love the way you use the term ‘alice in wonderland’ because that is pretty spot on to how I feel most of the time. Thanks for the encouragement! Bless You 🙂
December 12, 2008 at 12:26 am
Getting There
“I have found today that what keeps me from going nuts when everything turns into Alice & Wounderland is simply focusing on what Christ did at Calvary.This is one absolute and final thing I know we can hang are hats! No matter what the wolves are doing, saying or if I just don’t understand a verse or what ever I can still “Be of good cheer”gigeling inside..
It works for me anyway…
“Victory is Ours”.”
Wow Jeff, this made me emotional… because its so true, thanks for reminding me of this.
I did not go to lakeland and Praise God I didn’t even see it in action.. The xpastor was heavily involved so much so he left our country South Africa to go to lakeland for an annointing.. He handed out dvd’s on the lakeland revival and it would not work on my pc or my dvd machine.. then I did some research on him and when the pastor came back I questioned him on things and was told I have a ‘critical spirit’ and a ‘religious spirit’ I left the church immediately. The whole church got suckered into it and I just cried for days about it.. I really devoted all I was and all I am into that church only to find that I was way off base too. daily as I prayed for truth.. more things came up.. the health wealth gospel.. soul ties.. generational curses and all of this stuff that I was taught had to be undone and I repented..
I love the way you use the term ‘alice in wonderland’ because that is pretty spot on to how I feel most of the time. Thanks for the encouragement! Bless You 🙂
December 12, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Jeff
Yes learning is often times remembering.. Was meant as a “friendly reminder” for sure..
As far as your xchurch woza, geepers creepers!
Glad you didn’t chase that rabbit down the hole…
Bless ya back.
Jeff
December 12, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Jeff
I love the fact that the Lakeland vedeo Didnt work on your (PC or DVD) sure looks like it could be Gods will at work there!
I want to engage in talk with agnostic in the other room but I’m not sure I’m smart enough..,
December 12, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Jeff
After re reading your last comment I can see that your xchurch deal was a vary big deal…
sorry I made light of it. South Africa huh..hmm… I am state side where often church is an after thought. A before lunch meeting on Sunday morn.
This was truely your whole life huh..wow
Well in the words of my former pastor on his last sermon of 30 years.
“let the dead bury the dead”
I don’t know why but that just poped in my
head.LOL
Hope it’s relavent I’m kinda hit and miss!
Jeff
December 13, 2008 at 12:47 am
Getting There
Ha Ha Jeff, thanks for making me laugh 😉
The church thing was my life but through this God showed me my ‘churchianity’ was not working.. I was so big on church and to be honest I used to look down on others that didn’t go to church.. I was a worse of a wreck then thinking I had all the answers. I recall stressing my husband and kids out if we were late for church.. it became all about church, the building and ‘feeling’ like I was a spiritual mother and carer meanwhile I was just indoctrinated to think I had it all together.. then came lakeland and everything else.
God works in amazing ways and uses interesting ways to open our eyes especially when we ask for it. I recall a few months prior to this whole ordeal before lakeland even.. praying for truth and I didn’t think praying for truth would get me here.. haha
I was a huge fan of kennith copeland, joyce meyer, purpose driven life, creflo dollar.. I worked for reinhard bonnke ministries even.. so I was a real word of faith kinda girl.. pretty much believed whatever was taught without questioning any strange teachings. I had to do a lot of repenting big time… I thank the lakeland revival in a way for being so unbibilical that it woke me up.
here I go rambling on …. betta stop now 😉
“let the dead bury the dead” good one!
my father in law and I often never saw eye to eye on certain church issues and now I am on his side.. he once said, “sometimes you are sitting in church and you don’t know where the hell you are, but you are in church.” and for the first time ever, I wanted to hug this man for saying something that made so much sense!
In Christ 😉
December 13, 2008 at 1:24 am
Getting There
Yip, I am stepping outside of debating for a while.. it gets me too fired up coz sometimes no matter how much truth you speak to someone.. they won’t get it…
December 13, 2008 at 8:52 am
Jeff
good” joke” gone bad… One of the risk of a good joke is how high the risk..
Well stpn in it as usal… LOL
Ok let so it’s wonderland, Calvary, victory is ours…
The rest is as you say chit chat… Sorry just tryn to “cheer” you up..
And yes I got it…
So scoobedoobedootou,
Jeff
December 13, 2008 at 10:09 am
Getting There
With writing.. I always think go with your gut…. if you feel comfortable with it.. it’s best to usually go for it 😉 the tone is a difficult thing.. some say I come off harsh when I think I am sounding pretty sweet. The light hearted with the serious plays well. some light hearted ness between a serious issue is good. lIke my one article where I mentioned that when I get moody, I envision myself doing a kung pow.. matrix kinda kick boxing thang but the issue was serious.. I am no professional so whatever you think works best for you 🙂
Joke away, I usually take jokes well.. too well.. but I am slow… I can be really stupid at times so it takes a while for me to get a good joke.. I have to think about the joke before i laugh sometimes.. very lame.
YOu did a great job of cheering me up, Thank you! I mean it 🙂
December 13, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Jeff
I’m back!!! I guess the whole point I was trying to make on this page is that we all “got there” at calvary over 2000 years ago!!! To sugest anything but that Is very dangerous and damaging.
I too fell victim to false doctrin but “as soon” as I reconized it and repented “let go!” it was over!!! No complicated procces needed!! To embark on some “new journy” and look “with in” for aswers to cope with the “side effects” would enply I need to “do somthing!” it would be re doing the very same thing I just “let go of” ie repented from thus I would still be in “alice and wonderland” all the time every day… So In reality there was no “spitual loss” just spitual gain!
I let the dead bury the dead and moved on and didn’t look back! Jesus “fixed me” at Calvary!!!!
All the answers?
There is only one question on the final exam at the doors of the pearly gates.
Knok knok! Who’s there? It’s jeff. What’s the pass word please….uh Calvary? Ok come in. Would you like some cake?
Works for me anyway…
“victory is ours!”
Jeff
December 14, 2008 at 1:31 am
Getting There
2 Timothy 2:24-26
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
December 14, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Jeff
ok so when would Now be a good time? LOL
What was the passage where Jesus told that one dude that he didn’t even have time to go back to say goodby to his family? I think the message was he would have to (like hurry up scoob)
Zonks!…..
December 14, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Jeff
I just read up on some sola scripture and have concluded that I might want to be silent for a while (this wont be easy for me) as I appear to have some reading to do.
It just deeply hurts me to see you in pain like this…
In Christ.
December 15, 2008 at 12:28 am
Getting There
Hey Jeff, sorry for only posting comment now.. there is like a 10 hour time difference between SA and the US… you got me with your comments. I am okay.. I tend to be too serious and need to lighten up I guess. I have always put myself in to things full throttle.. If I do something.. I do it with everything I have got and all the energy so in leaving the church I guess I ‘lost my value’ and need to refind it In Christ..
I have so much learning to do.. yet it is all so simple isn’t it. I have become suspicious and i need to chill out and as a woman.. I tend to be irrationally emotional….
I am okay and i need some sola scriptura in a serious way. I make it harder on myself trying to rationalize everything when all I need to do is just rest in Him and believe.
In Christ
December 15, 2008 at 12:31 am
Getting There
oh and no I don’t get Sat nite live… I don’t even have sattelite…. I spend most of the time renting out dvd’s…
December 16, 2008 at 9:45 am
Jeff
yes betta be quite now mummys on her way back home..
Can I come over and play at your house sometime?
And no I am not a Brit… Just funny.. Just watched some season 6 last night(season 2 for the love of G..)…well guess I’ll go for my daily surf now as I live in Florida…LOL
In Christ.
Your brother always(like for ever and ever scoob)
Zonks……..!
December 17, 2008 at 6:27 pm
kim
Well…….I can see how busy you two have been. what gabbers you are. All I ask is that you please make sure you don’t push anyone’s comment off of the main home page if it needs to be addressed and gets buried instead.
I am still in Mexico and will be back Friday….
Went to an american church here and was discouraged to find that the Pastor was passing out a truck-load of the book, “The Shack”. He then preached that he himself could not make any determination on the validity of this book, knowing that it was controversial, and that the congregation would have to do this themselves.
So he by-passed James 3:1 (this scripture address may be wrong) that teachers are held to a higher standard. I may have to write an article on more the details that i learned about this church.
later…..
kim
December 18, 2008 at 12:03 am
Getting There
Kim’s right, our comments are or could kick someone else’s comment off the main page.. come swing over at my place for a visit…..