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First of all, I’d like to say that I consider myself to be a “Charismatic Christian.” By that, I mean to say that I share an excitement about God that is not always visibly evident in some of the more traditional denominations. I also share the belief that the Holy Spirit is alive and moving as much today as in the New Testament. Most of my writings specifically address the Christian mindset from the perspective of Charismatic-Pentecostal because that is the background from which I come. I say that because I want to make clear that when I “call stuff out,” I am not critically standing on the outside looking in, but I am living very much on the inside. The fire with which I address certain subjects, however, does not come from my loyalty and love for a set of beliefs or a particular sect, but from a sincere love for individuals who many times are trampled to death by those beliefs.
With that in mind, I would like to address something that has bothered me all my life, but have never put into words until now. I believe that this little issue has taken its toll on thousands of genuine and honest God-seekers, and has left them feeling as though they are completely missing God. It’s time to expose one of the church’s greatest and best-kept secrets. Exposing this could set Charismatic Christianity back a thousand years. I’m about to blow a cover off this religion in a way I’ve never seen done before, so buckle your seatbelts.
My 8th grade science teacher pinned up one of those psychedelic mind-bending posters that supposedly had a picture within a picture that you could psychologically see inside, if you stared long enough and allowed your eyes to go out of focus. Those things never worked for me. I could stare for hours and I never saw anything but a bunch of squiggly lines and shapes. Supposedly this particular poster had moving dinosaurs in it. At least that’s what the first kid claimed to see as he let out a, “Wooooee, dude, I tooootally see it!” I got up close and looked till my head hurt but I still couldn’t see what he was talking about. Sure enough, one by one, people started to see the moving dinosaurs. Everyone was laughing and talking about it. There was energy and excitement as people coahed friends on how to look in just the right way to “experience” it with them. One by one you could hear people getting a “break-through” as they would finally se what everyone else was seeing. I felt ignorant, because all I saw were stupid, squiggly lines.
I quit trying about half-way through the year. I got to the point where I just ignored the poster when I came to class. Truthfully, I resented the fact that he put it up there in the first place. It was a science class. Why hang a poster with hidden dinosaurs? It didn’t make sense to me, and I found it to be a source of irritation every time another two or three people exclaimed, “I see it, I see it!!!!” I even considered lying to everyone at one point because it was only me and perhaps two other kids who were on the outs, and neither of them had a cool bone in their body.
By the end of the school year, it appeared that the majority of the school had experienced the dinosaurs and I still couldn’t see them. How embarrassing. My embarrassment was short-lived, however, because on the last day of school, the cocky old science teacher stood before the class and revealed to everyone that there were no dinosaurs in the picture. IT WAS A HOAX! He wanted to illustrate how peer pressure can easily sway others. It was amazing to see different people become angry and defensive and swear up and down that they saw moving dinosaurs. I believe those kids could have taken a lie-detector test and passed with flying colors. They fully believed that they saw dinosaurs moving!
Time and again, I have sat with sincere people who feel like they must be missing something in the God department. They tell me that they don’t understand why God hasn’t moved on them the way He has with their friends and Church mates. They are plagued with a nagging sense that they are always a few miles behind the rest of the group and regardless of how hard they try; they can’t seem to catch up. Every time there’s another testimony about God moving in someone’s life, they are reminded that they can’t hear His voice like everyone else and don’t feel the same spiritual ecstasy that their Christian counterparts continually describe and claim to have received.
Over and over, I hear people talking about “Peace that surpasses understanding” and “joy unspeakable,” as though it’s an orgasmic state of mind that truly spiritual people achieve after encountering God in a personal way. I can recall being in Bible college, watching my classmates weep and wail while lying on the floor during the worship service as though the Holy Spirit had completely taken control. They would talk about receiving a touch from God that instantly changed everything. Some couldn’t remain upright during the service because the ‘power of God was all over them.’ All the while, I felt like I did in my 8th grade class when I couldn’t see the moving dinosaurs. What am I missing here? Why doesn’t God do that to me during praise and worship? When am I going to receive a touch like that? How come I can’t hear His voice so easily? Why do I still struggle with depression? What’s wrong with me?
It began to unravel when a popular evangelist came to our Bible college. This guy was known for laying hands on people and having them “fall out” in the spirit. I was excited to receive this and nervous that I wouldn’t. After a short sermon on the power of God, this gentleman instructed us to line up side by side. He would then walk from person to person, laying hands on each one. Sure enough, they were dropping like flies. Everyone he touched turned to Jell-O and hit the floor under the power of God. I was praying a million miles a minute as he drew closer. Finally, I felt his hand on my forehead and I stood there waiting to be launched into the supernatural. I waited and waited but nothing happened. He kept praying for me but I wasn’t going down. Then he started saying things like, “Just receive it, brother,” and “Don’t hold back from God.” At that moment, I felt the eyes of everyone in the class upon me and I knew somehow it was my fault that I wasn’t receiving “the power of God.” Guess what I did. . . . I fell.
When we were in the parking lot and walking to our cars, my classmates were praising God and leaping for joy because of the incredible move of the Holy Spirit that they had just witnessed. People were talking about how awesome God was and how wonderful it was to receive a touch of His power, but I continued walking with my head down, saying, “I will never, ever do that again!” Someone asked me what it was I’d never do again and I said, “I fell on purpose.” To my amazement, every person there admitted that they had purposely fallen, as well.
I say all that to say this: For the better part of my ministry, I have attempted to take things that people say about God that are terrible and wrong and correct them. I have kept myself busy for the past ten years in an attempt to correct all the troubling misconceptions taught by the Church regarding the heart of God. Recently, however, I felt like I came to the conclusion of those bad things. I couldn’t find anything to address because I had pretty much covered it all. Then I felt the Lord strongly impress upon me that He would reveal that even all the good things said about Him are not true.
Our concept of “living in victory” has been embellished and exaggerated from generation to generation, to a point where we wouldn’t recognize the real thing if it jumped up and bit us on the nose. People talk about “freedom” as though it were a state of spiritual nirvana where nothing goes wrong and everything is blissfully perfect. I believe that in the Charismatic movement, there are thousands of people chasing dinosaurs in an effort to appear like they’re getting it when in fact, they have no real idea of what “IT” is.
I’m amazed when I hear testimonies of people in those Churches. It reminds me of “Reality Television.” The problem with “Reality Television” is that there is nothing real about it.
The editor reveals what he chooses by cutting and pasting bits and pieces. He omits certain parts and highlights others in an effort to create exactly what he’s looking for. This is what I see in modern-day Christian testimonies. They remind me of a 30-minute scripted sit-com where everything miraculously comes together in the end. The middle part that is raw and real is always mysteriously omitted so that the listener only sees the rags-to-riches part of what God did in a person’s life. “I once was lost, but now I’m found.” Nothing in the middle. That’s it. Overnight, everything changed and now there are no more struggles and strife in the Christian life, only continual happiness and fulfillment.
I think we do this because deep in our hearts we’re trying to sell Jesus to the public. We attempt to make Him out to be more than He is in an effort to spark interest. We present “life with Jesus” as though it’s a continuous mountain-top experience that comes with batteries included and a life-time guarantee. If this isn’t your personal experience with Him, something is wrong with your spirituality. Sadly, the result of this pattern of exaggeration is that people chase a carrot that is always just out of reach and then become depressed and disillusioned.
Let me be the first to say that the reason you can’t find the peace and joy and freedom that you’ve heard about is because it doesn’t exist. At least not in the way it’s been presented. The Christian life as advertised to you is a lie! The promises and claims that were made to you about Jesus were nothing but a list of sales tactics to close the deal. After all, who would reject eternal happiness and contentment? Who in their right mind would walk away from a Jesus who could make all their problems go away overnight? Who would say no to instantaneous freedom and victory? Especially when it’s as easy as 1, 2, 3. Rattle off a quick sinner’s prayer and you’re on your way to a life of constant adventure and roller-coaster spirituality.
I think there is something to be said for the way Jesus presented Himself 2000 years ago. He rode into the city on the back of an ass. Now that resonates with my life! I get this real and raw picture in my mind, “Life on an Ass,” and it rings true. Maybe it’s not a popular concept with the Christian world, but the fact is, life is humdrum. There are “up” days and there are “down.” There are times of purpose and times of purposelessness. There are extended times when there is clear direction and you know where you’re going and then there are times when you just sit and stare at the walls and go nowhere. Life with Jesus is not filled with a continuous vibration of exhilaration and adventure. Scripture never promised that to us.
I believe that until we are given permission to accept and embrace our humanity, we will be unable to possess values such as peace and contentment. Present-day Christianity seems to be about denying and even detesting our humanity and all in the Name of Jesus. We want nothing to do with out human-ness. It’s as though people present the Christian life as a rejection of the physical realm and an adoption of all that is spiritual. You’d think that some of us are embarrassed to have arms and legs because we think we’re supposed to float from here to there through the power of God. Anything physical or human is considered ugly by today’s Charismatic standards. The phrase, “In the flesh” has been coined in an effort to shame and silence anyone who might dare to be normal and live with both feet on the ground. If God was against living in the flesh, He wouldn’t have created flesh and inserted our spirits into it.
I believe that true spirituality is more physical than spiritual. In other words, it’s NORMAL. Today’s perception of true spirituality is equated with someone no one can relate to. I think it’s something else entirely. If a person is truly in touch with their spiritual side, they will connect and become relatable to everyone. They’ll embrace their flesh and be content with who they are while, at the same time, accepting it in others. Peace and contentment is not a point in life where you no longer experience pain and discomfort. It’s the point when you understand that you will experience pain and discomfort in this life and when you do, you know He is with you and nothing’s wrong. Many perceive any form of depression as evidence that God is not present or we are not receiving what we should from Him. I disagree. Being spiritual, in my opinion, is when an individual embraces every facet of their humanity with no apologies, knowing well that their shortcomings are not evidence of God’s absence but rather, evidence of life. True spirituality comes when we understand that in the midst of living, He will never leave us.
I am convinced that an authentic Christian life looks nothing like what most Charismatic churches promote. The picture they paint is not only unattainable but it’s impossible. I no longer believe the majority of the testimonies I hear. They’ve been edited to fit a story-line that’s proven to be a crowd-pleaser and a bestseller. Rarely does anyone merely provide an accurate account of their life because to do so would be flat-out boring. We don’t want a day-to-day Jesus; we want Super Jesus!
Additionally, I don’t believe all the hype that comes out of Florida. I’m telling you right now that all the people who profess to have experienced “the fire” in Florida are nothing but a bunch of self-conscious teens claiming to have seen the moving dinosaurs on a poster in science class. When asked to produce a shred of verifiable evidence of healings and miracles, the ring-leaders in Florida have come up empty-handed. Everything you are hearing about that “outpouring” is nothing but exaggerated rumors from people who desperately want to appear as if they got it too.
Matthew 24:24
“For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.”
These rumors are spread by those who sincerely want to believe that something’s happening somewhere because when they look at their own “humdrum” life, they are filled with guilt and condemnation for not measuring up to the embellished testimonies and exagerated claimes they’ve grown up hearing in the Church.
Yes, I believe that God heals and yes, I believe the Holy Spirit is alive and well. I believe in the gifts of the Spirit and I believe that God is actively speaking to His people. I consider myself to be Charismatic to the bone, but I don’t believe for one moment that these manifestations occur in the manner that we claim. The sooner we release the modern-day Christian fantasies about true spirituality and embrace normalcy, the better we’ll be.
You might be surprised to find that what you have been seeking; you already have.
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July 10, 2008 at 8:25 pm
JeN
THIS IS THE STORY OF MY LIFE!!! A friend and I were just discussing this a couple of days ago. I felt like such a loser for years because I was hanging out in the charismatic church and wasn’t manifesting the “stuff” my friends were. The struggle with depression was terrible because I was told that I wasn’t spiritual enough or I didn’t have enough faith or best yet Christians don’t get depressed. Oh yeah? I didn’t realize how much pent up anger I had over these issues and the way I was treated because I wasn’t faking it. Alright I am normal!!!
July 11, 2008 at 8:25 am
Tim H
Isn,t this a very refreshing article. I loved it, and man I can relate to the “falling down” part. I have been prayed for by these types of men and in all honesty I was the one that fell. I stopped after the time I fell and about knocked my head off when it “smacked” the pew behind me. Whew, that was a great catcher behind me! I lay there and all I could think was man am I glad I didn’t hit that any harder. There was nothing super-spiritual going on with me at that moment, except grateful to God that I didn’t do any permenant damage (well that may be debateable) to my self physically.
Anyway, I really enjoyed this article. Thanks for posting it and the link….
July 11, 2008 at 8:44 am
JeN
They got so frustrated with me because I wouldn’t fall that I was punched in the stomach! I still didn’t go down. Reminds me of Todd Bentley and his violence. Believe me I wanted the tongues and the extra spirituality. I thought I was missing out on something. I have often wondered why people got hurt when they did fall. I have seen people hit chairs, pews and hit the ground really hard. Ouch.
July 11, 2008 at 7:33 pm
JeN
I couldn’t resist posting this.
Man sues Tenn. church over spiritual fall
The Associated Press
Article Last Updated: 07/10/2008 11:46:38 AM MDT
KNOXVILLE, Tenn.—A man says he was so consumed by the spirit of God that he fell and hit his head while worshipping.
Now he wants Lakewind Church to pay $2.5 million for medical bills, lost income, and pain and suffering.
Matt Lincoln says he is suing after the church’s insurance company denied his claim for medical bills.
The 57-year-old has had two surgeries since the June 2007 injury but still feels pain in his back and legs.
He says he was asking God to have “a real experience” while praying.
Lincoln says he has fallen from the force of the spirit before but has always been caught by someone.
Lawyers for the church say other congregants saw him on the floor laughing after his fall. They say he failed to look out for his own safety.
July 11, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Kim
I really liked this article too.
Hey Tim, you’re not from Knoxville are you????
just kidding.
Jen, i remember you mentioning before that you were actually punched in the stomach…..craziness…and dangerous.
I have heard accounts from people who say that they felt like something was wrong with them because they were not as “gifted” as others. Many want gifts so bad that they accept false gifts and never pray for discernment. I believe the Holy Spirit gives as needed.
July 11, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Kim
Okay, i have a question. I have never been around or in a charismatic-type church where these “anointings” take place. I only know what i read and what you guys tell me.
Why is it that some do fall and seem to be really filled with some type of spirit that makes them do crazy things, like shake, jerk, laugh, bark, etc… and then some who really desire this impartation..do not get it? Is it a measure of opening oneself up to reception? (i have heard/read this as giving ground to a demon) or maybe the Lord is protecting some people?
Or is it more the person giving the impartation than the receiver?
July 12, 2008 at 2:16 am
Mary B.
Kim,
Here is my limited experience on this and something I have been wondering too.
With my relatives, the men in the family do not go for it ie. slain in the spirit. But the women who seem more open and expectant have received it. The men are more skeptical about it. The women assume it’s from God. So my vote it’s the ones who really desire it get it. And it also involves opening oneself up to it. That’s my two cents but this is only based on observation and what they have told me.
July 12, 2008 at 3:14 am
Bud Press
FYI: You may be interested in reading Mike Oppenheimer’s article, “Slain in the Spirit” at http://www.letusreason.org/pent14%20.htm .
July 12, 2008 at 8:03 am
Tim H
Kim…
My take…
Don’t know!
I could share examples of things that I have seen and experienced for myself and I feel that they were as real as this computer I am typing at. Yet there have been times that I have seen and experienced manifestations that I could tell were nothing more than a side show.
I have friends that were and still are very suspicious of these things and yet they have “fallen out” and it certainly seemed like a very real manifestation in their life and they believe it really was the power of God’s Holy Spirit upon them.
The thing that I have looked for is the fruit that comes from the “experience”. The people I know, truely exemplify the “Fruit of the Spirit” in their life, and the other part is that they may have had these “experiences” but they do not focus on them as if that were the main thing in their life. In fact, they rarely talk about it at all. They talk about what Jesus has done in their life. These people are well grounded in the word and live a holy repentent life. They do not want to bring attention to themselves other than hope that people see Jesus living through them.
I think this is one of the key things to look at… In the end, utlimateley, who is getting the glory? Is the imparter? the impartee? Both? or our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? And is what happened validating the ministry of Jesus Christ and IMO John 16, what the work of the Holy Spirit is all about.
Just a little input on my part, thank you very much!
July 12, 2008 at 8:50 am
Kim
What started my thinking about this subject again is what i saw when watching on GodTV the Florida thing. Bentley was not performing that night. There was another man named Roy, who is also the music leader.
I was watching him closely as he taught…I have studied demonic traits from various sources. The traits are sudden yelling, uncontrollable actions, ( shaking, doubling over, jerking,) moments of gazing and emptiness , unappropiate laughter, glazed over eyes. This guy exhibited all these things…it was unnerving. The crowd loved it.
Then he went into the crowd of over 9,000. He tried to whipped them up into a frenzy..He walked over and was trying to “impart the spirit” into the crowd. He waved his hand broadly over the crowd. No one fell. He walked over to another section. Same thing. No one fell. He quickly went back up to the stage.
So did no one fall because the first row stayed put? Or did this man not have enough “anointing” ?
Whyare there these confusing issues when we should know the simplicity of Christ?
Bud…that is a great link. I have a great deal of respect for Mike Oppenheimer.
Okay off to work.!!!
July 12, 2008 at 9:01 am
Tim H
I guess without Todd Bentley it will go no where?
July 12, 2008 at 9:48 am
Mary B.
without Todd Bentely or Benny Hinn. I guess to slay the multitudes you must have rock star status.
Thank You Budd Press. That was a great link. I will keep it on hand for reference.
Tim H. in your experiences, being slain or falling under the power-did it draw you closer to the Lord? Did you sense the fruits of the spirit in you in a greate degree? My issue with all of this is how does it benefit the rest of the body of Christ? How is it used to build up the body for it’s edification? To me it’s only bring division.
July 12, 2008 at 1:17 pm
JeN
Todd Bentley is taking time off, may be the whole thing will collapse now.
http://blog.thewaycf.com/2008/07/praise-lord-true-lakeland-miracle.html
July 12, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Bud Press
Hello Everyone:
This blog, as well as others, has proven to be a blessing to myself and others who search for answers to the incredible confusion and deception that is running rampant within the Christian church.
But despite the confusion and deception, it is vital for us to stay strong in the Lord and maintain a strong grip on His word–no matter what.
The incredible deception overshadowing Todd Bentley and the Florida revival is an accumulation of past cultic, occultic, and heretical theologies–wrapped into one well-groomed but treacherous package.
And precious souls for whom Jesus Christ died for are opening the package–to their own destruction–with Bibles in their hands! The truth isn’t “out there,” it is in there within the pages of God’s word.
To many, the long-standing truths of God’s word is but a mere relic of the past that has given way to “new” teachings, “new” prophecies, and “new” revelations from God’s zealous and “anointed” warriors. Yet, when tested by God’s word, their “Jesus” and “gospel” and “spirit” is corrupt and unable to save, sanctify, and redeem the sinner destined for hell.
And in their zeal they are blinded to the fact that they are under a divine curse “anathema” and are, in reality, bearing “beautifully” with the same “serpent” that grinned at Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 11:1-4).
“For such men are false apostles,” the Apostle Paul writes, who are “deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.” Paul writes that we shouldn’t be surprised, “for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” Nor should we be surprised “if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).
Rest assured, the Todd Bentley’s and Benny Hinn’s of this world will fall. But in the meantime, let us stand strong in the Lord without compromise, share the truths of His word without fear, and boldly defend the faith, “once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3).
Thank you and God bless,
Bud
July 12, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Kim
Bud, I always like the way you tell it the way it is. It seems as though I have been kind of pussy-footing around lately, but the truth is, the day is coming when we are going to be asked to draw the line in the sand. What teaching and what teachers are we going to follow? If we keep in mind that the end-time deception will be spiritual and it does indeed involve the church, we can stay focused on scripture for the truth.
All that is happening right now is preparing people mentally and spiritually to follow the teachings of the AC. Anything that pulls Christians away from the Bible, (prophetic new revelations), praying for faith while suffering (WOF), finding the Narrow Gate, (worldwide revival) and Jesus Christ, (Todd Bentley), pleases the prince of the world. Those seeking signs and wonders will be amazed at the signs and wonders that the Anti-Christ will perform because they so desire the electrical zaps of ecstasy, for themselves. The secular world is falling all over itself with its ungoldy “I am divine” teachings of the Eastern religions.
Yep, folks…We are seeing at breakneck speed deception in the church.
July 12, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Zoe
I have been in many services where this kind of stuff was taking place and have been “slain in the spirit” on many occassions. At first I thought it was God. I really wanted it to be. I went to River Services on Friday nights at a church for six years and almost never missed. I think it is addicting. I enjoyed the worship which was sometimes about two hours long and then they would have speakers from all over, some very well known such has Bill Johnson, Tommy Tenney, John Kirkpatrick, etc. I think these service are kind of hypnotic and I think anyone could lead a crowd to feel a certain way whether they were a Christian or not. I no longer go there. I think I was just easily led and susceptible to their hype. The worst thing about it is that they were always preaching about our individual destiny. It was so “I’ focused and not really as Jesus centered as I thought at first. I think that was the tell-tale sign that something wasn’t right.
July 12, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Tim H
Tim H. in your experiences, being slain or falling under the power-did it draw you closer to the Lord? Well as I stated above, I think it was here, I feel that the the times I was slain, I was not it was me. There was only one time that I can say that I was “down” under the power of the Holy Spirit and I was face down not on my back. It happened in a small group setting and it was after I had really admitted to a sin and repented of it that this happened. Did you sense the fruits of the spirit in you in a greate degree? I believe looking back at the experience it was in gentleness and love and actually I did have a sense of self-control when it happened, I was not shaking, rolling, spinning my head around (ha) but rather I feel that the Holy Spirit was a pefect gentleman in this. My issue with all of this is how does it benefit the rest of the body of Christ? I believe it benefited the small group of people that was there in that they saw something that was not wild and crazy showing that they could trust the Holy Spirit, that there is a freedom and joy that comes from repentence and that can come without this experience in reality, and I hope they saw a true form of worship to a loving God, on ones face not back, that being prostate before the Lord. How is it used to build up the body for it’s edification? All I know id that everyone there rejoiced with me and frankly the whole room fell on their knees to worship the Lord for his wonerful promise and I will say it presence. To me it’s only bring division. in this case I believe it brought a unity because we all wanted to be in right standing before the Lord. We all at one point confessed to one another and stood on the promise of being forgiven for our sins.
July 12, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Kim
Tim,
I thank you for sharing your experience because it was similar to mine. After realizing my sin of over many years, I fell to the ground in repentence and sorrow. I was by myself. I wept for many hours.
This changed my life because i rededicated my life to the Lord. This experience created a hunger for the Word of God. I read the Bible like i never had before. I enrolled in Bible Study to learn how to apply the principles i was now longing to live for.
I will say though that once someone implied that i was not experiencing the “fulness” that i could in other churches and this hurt me very much.
Gotta go to dinner…
July 12, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Tim H
Kim,
You know the saying, “The church is the only place where they hurt their own.” I am so sorry that you had to go through that but praise God you are where you are today.
I feel like God has taken me on a three year journey to get me back to the truth and just recently I believe he spoke to me from His word and I am returning to my first love, the Lord Jesus, His Word, and I am getting my feet planted firmly on the ground once again.
Dinner for me as well.
Blessings
July 12, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Mary B.
Tim,
Thank you for answering. I didn’t mean to get so personal, I think I know you well enough and trust what you have to say. Again thank you.
July 13, 2008 at 7:20 am
Tim H
It’s ok to ask me personal stuff… If I want to open up and be transparent before you I will answer and who knows, just might change someones life because of the things God has done for me.
Since I began research on what all of this really is, (because of some other issues I had in the church I was going to), I have questioned many of the things that I have experienced. Was it or was it not really the Lord! I have really had to “prove” my experiences to the word. That is a good thing!
It’s made me take a hard long look at my past experiences and some were flesh, and some were truely (I believe in my heart) from the Lord. When personal questions are asked it makes one have to back up what they believe the Lord is doing and that backup needs to scriptural (contxtually).
Blessings this day to all
Tim H
September 5, 2008 at 6:48 pm
David Boss
You need to fix the link to this article. they changed the url so your link isn’t making it to the article.
September 5, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Kim
Hey thanks for reporting the broken link, it should work now.
April 8, 2009 at 8:25 am
Lori
What a fantastic article. So well written and a joy to read despite it’s length.
Authenticity is what I seek. the statement “we don’t want a day to day Jesus, we want a SUPER Jesus!” sums up so much.
Thank you for clarifying that church is so much different than how Christ had organized and intended it. Christ has pulled me out of organized church and asked me to walk day to day life with him as the center. Always in touch with him, always in touch with other members of the church but not going to church. I too believe it has become so different than it’s original design.
I am not saying that Christ does not still move supernaturally, because I know that he does. When I was 20, I was at a camp meeting and in the middle of a service when suddenly I awoke to find myself on the floor. I asked what happened, thinking I must have fainted although I had not been dizzy or sick prior to that. My close friend was at my side though she had not been in the building during the service and I was confused as to why she was there. People had said I had gone down. I remembered having a dream and thought that unusual for someone who faints. I asked how long I had lain there and I was told 20 min. I was not stiff or sore, I felt quite well.
My dream: I was walking in a meadow/forest area. Stunningly beautiful with perfect grass, trees, textures, hills. An amazing place and I wandered about not knowing where I was. I was by myself but not afraid nor did I feel alone. Then I became aware of music, singing though I could not make it out distinctly and I felt it must be far off. Being by myself I decided to go find the musicians knowing there was more than one and sensing it to be a choir of some sort. The music was soft, penetrating, kind. I went in the direction I thought the music was coming from but decided I was mixed up and started to head in a new direction but then the music seemed to be beside me, behind me, and no matter where I went it did not get any louder, clearer. I was truly confused and stood for a moment listening to figure out where it was. I knew it was music for Christ but I could not find the choir. Then I realized the music was all around me and the music came from the meadow and the trees and the rock and the grass. The earth was the choir and it was all around me so quiet, so pervasive. Just in being, they were making music of worship to God.
After awakening and sitting for a few moments I realized I had been ‘slain’ (though I don’t like that term b/c it has so many negative connotations with it- you slay your enemies) and that my dream had been a vision. It was an incredible experience that I share with very few but now feel I am to share with you. It wasn’t a vision just for me but it came to me.
We don’t have to be hootin’ and hollering, spinning our heads, stomping our feet, dancing in the aisles, raising our hands and squashing up our faces. We just need to be and let our daily lives be a song of praise to Christ. Just live, love and let Jesus guide your life. You too will be like the meadow in my dreams and you very existence will bring music of love to him.
Blessings to you all.
Lori
November 21, 2011 at 10:34 am
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Interesting blog. I think you might enjoy mine too.
Been relational housechurching and planting for 30 years now.
My blog is about Jesus, Church and life in general.
http://notesfromthebridge.wordpress.com
Christopher “Captain” Kirk