I should have seen it coming….
Chiropractic – the adjustment of the vertebrae in the spine
Chakras – the gateways or centers of spiritual power located on the spinal column
= NETWORK CHIROPRACTIC
A reader informed me of a new danger in the health field, Network Chiropractic or Network Spinal Analysis. NSA has evolved from chiropractic and it has some mystical new twists. The spine is now considered “a conduit of consciousness”. NSA was developed by Dr. Donald Epstein, a chiropractor from Colorado. Apparently Dr. Epstein discovered “Spinal Gateways” (hmm…chakras maybe?) running along the spinal cord. Also he discovered that these gateways run from the tailbone up to the bottom of the skull. What else did he discover? He found that the spinal gateways lead to the front part of the brain awakening the brain’s cortex causing profound changes in the body. Sounds like kundalini serpent power running up the spine through the chakras and enlightenment to me…!!
Read this article about Network Chiropractic:
During Network Spinal Analysis™ (NSA) care two “healing waves” develop which are unique to Network. One is a breathing wave that releases tension throughout the spine and body and relaxes a person. The other is called a somatopsychic (or body-mind) wave, which is associated with a dolphin type undulation or movement of the spine. These waves are related to a significant increase in wellness and quality of life. Once people experience these Network “healing” waves, they tend to make healthier choices. Suddenly the exercise, diet, supplements, meditation or prayer that may have been resulting in minimal wellness benefits increased in effectiveness. Saying it differently, people in Network care, who experience these waves often double their perceived wellness. As these “healing waves” progress along a person’s spine it revitalizes, energizes, and helps the body to self correct distortions of alignment and posture. They move “stuck energy” and are a resource of new energy and vitality. Vertebra of the spine spontaneously realign as one of the by products.
This video is named Riding the Kundalini Dragon and it shows how the energy is being directed through the body and its effect. The video is not from a network chiropractor but a yoga studio. They are calling this procedure Breath and Touch which serves as an entry point into an altered state in which the mind-body system processes and releases the stress or emotional blocks.
While watching a short video from a Network Chiropractor in San Diego i noticed that the body movement of the patient was exactly the same as those in the yoga studio video. I do not know how to embed this video so please click on the below link to compare with the above video.
http://www.bodywisdomhealing.com/BodyWisdomSite/healing_wave_video.htm
******update November 2008 – it looks as though the above video has been removed from it’s site, if i can relocate the video i will fix the link – thanks, kim *********
The rippling effect of the body is also the same as those under kundalini serpent power. These kundalini manifestations are now being relabeled as “healing waves”. This healing is not of God…is this healing worth the risk?
I scanned various NAS websites, and the names sounded like this…The New Wave Chiropractic, Ride the River, Esprit Healing Center, Care Wave, Healing Wave…..These offices are sporting a new look, a new name and carry a dangerous spiritual message.
Here is a list of awakened kundalini manifestations from Swami Nityananda (Kundalini Yoga Guru) : trembling, shaking, uncontrolled speaking, weeping/crying, uncontrollable laughing, altered consciousness, elation, feelings of electricity….waves of bliss.
Now i want to relate a list of manifestations from the Pensacola/Toronto outbreaks. Spasms, tremors, shaking, spontaneous trance states, holy laughter, energy rushes, and involuntary body movements.
When reading about Network Chiropractic from the EastWestHealth website i read some interesting statements from a patient and a chiropractor.
“When the tension of stored emotional stress is released, people often express it by laughing or crying. For example, after one patient’s second adjustment she went home and was laughing for two hours..”
“When I get adjusted I feel my mind become completely still, and I feel much more attuned with my heart”
“What always amazes me is that you touch me so gently, like with one fingertip that I can barely feel, and then these powerful waves of energy start traveling up and down my spine and bringing everything into alignment.”
“It always shocks people what profound changes happen from such a light touch. The light touch is like tuning a guitar; it gives the proper vibration for good harmony. Information travels in waves so when we “tune” the spinal cord we can experience our own inner rhythm.”
These two statements are alarming:
“As one persons spine releases, it actually helps release the spines of other people in the room.”
“It’s the phenomenon which researchers have found the most astonishing about Network. They watch Donald Epstein adjust someone and then point to the person on the next table: the second person’s spine is visibly unwinding and he is not even touching them. It’s community healing, and it shows how we are all connected on a very deep level.”
Dr. Epstein has something in common with Rodney Howard-Brown, Benny Hinn and Swami Nityanada; they are all distributors of the power: (kundalini, shakti, fire, anointing) Kundalini awakening can be imparted by…light touch on the body or forehead, by pointing to someone, or just laying one’s hands on someone.
There are many obvious relationships between Network Chiropractic, Yoga, Eastern Mysticism, and the false spiritual anointings of today. When we see a chiropractor merely point to a patient, who then starts manifesting with kundalini signs, we need to question where this power is coming from and what is actually happening to the patient. When a doctor or a patient will not question why a second patient automatically manifests without being touched or refers to the undulating spine as “unwinding” from stress….i despair at the deception.
This power is demonic because it is metaphysical in nature, so it is unbiblical for the Christian to participate in this type of activity. It is imperative to understand that the Hindu term kundalini translates into “serpent power”. Meditation and yoga positions pushes this power at the base of the spine up working its way snake-like, through the chakras or gateways. In Network Chiropractic the chiropractor has attained the ability to pass this serpent power onto others with only a simple touch. I cannot begin to tell you how dangerous this is. Patients who are treated by a Network Chiropractor are in danger of allowing a demonic presence to enter their body. The “waves of bliss” are deceptive. Satan does not show himself as a demon, he shows himself as an angel of light, deceiving all who will fall into his false spiritual trap.
May the Lord protect his own who may unknowlingly walk into one of these offices for treatment. I have no problem with getting standard adjustments, but whenever a health practitioner begins to talk “spiritually”… immediately question the procedures.
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July 8, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Lee
For the record, this is not my blog as I’m merely a contributor. The blog owner is Kim.
…as you research these modalities, you find that Jesus was as well.
I do not see any of these practices in scripture.
In both cases the attunement took place in the third eye, but as Jesus came through during his earlier travels, he moved the transmission into the heart. If you research into the east, you will find that Jesus came through Tibet and he is considered the Buddha of Buddhas.
Please show scripture for this assertion.
All major religions have a “jesus;” but, he’s not the Jesus of the Bible who is only found in Biblical Christianity.
The scripture is the word of God, nowhere does it say that is is the whole word of God.
Please look at these:
5 “Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. [Proverbs 30:5-6 NIV]
2Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. [Deuteronomy 4:2 NIV]
The laws referenced by the above scripture were fulfilled in Jesus:
17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [Matthew 5:17 NIV]
6Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. [1 Corinthians 4:6 NIV]
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. [Revelation 22:18-19 NIV]
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. [2 Timothy 3:16-17 NIV]
In fact, Tibet claims to have more direct quotes of Jesus than the Bible does.
That’s quite a claim indeed! But, why would you or I choose to believe a claim from a religion diametrically opposed to Biblical Christianity?
Always test everything against the plumbline — God’s Holy Word. If it’s not in there, then it probably should not be practiced. I ask you to pray for God to reveal to you anything that is not of Him. I’m convinced the practices you refer to are not of God.
July 8, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Kane Mantyla
Lee, this prayer, I have made in earnest and several times (especially as I have been led to confront the fears that you are perpetuating), and deeper and deeper truths keep being revealed so I have faith that God will continue to reveal himself to me, and at anytime this humble servant will willingly lift up these so-called ungodly practices.
Did you spend a minute with “is that my suitcase”?
When you understand the nature of the written word, you will create much space for other’s perspectives and not preach from dogma as a scribe. A space for unconditional love will open in your heart.
I have seen and experienced much truth both in church and secular realms. I have experienced the holy spirit in both settings and know in my heart that God is with me, always has and always will be.
psalms 139
7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, [a] you are there.
2 Samuel 22
31God! Perfect [is] His way, The saying of Jehovah is tried, A shield He [is] to all those trusting in Him.
I choose not to reply to many of the things here, because it is not my place to place my knowledge onto you as you have not asked for it, nor have the readers of this blog. I would prefer that they remain innocent in the lord and not be required to face what I have faced in my search for God. If you would like, you may email me and I will respond to you directly. I will say that when you say, “where is it in scripture” you are asking for information during the “traveling years” so of course it wouldn’t be in Judeo-Christian records.
My intention for posting here is that you create space for the healing practices that are surfacing via the will of God.
One thing that I will leave you with is this:
If God is ALL knowing, knows every action you will ever take…
and God is ALL loving, loves every creature including Satan for which he himself created…
Could he create even one creature knowing that the creature was destined for eternity in hell?
This came from me as a twelve year old child, knowing in my heart that “the way” I was being taught didn’t add up. I always knew that there was truth, but how it was being taught was like banging them over the head, dragging them in and claiming they wanted to come.
July 8, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Lee
Could he create even one creature knowing that the creature was destined for eternity in hell?
Yes, He gives us a choice to either love Him or not. He is not a man that He should lie. He is merciful, provides unmerited Grace in His Son Jesus, yet He is a God of justice. And, as Creator, He can do whatever He pleases, not what I think He should. If not for Him creating me, I’d be nothing. And, I’m nothing without Him.
I will say that when you say, “where is it in scripture” you are asking for information during the “traveling years” so of course it wouldn’t be in Judeo-Christian records.
If the things you say (and I’ve seen some accounts of Jesus ‘traveling years’ before) are true, then why wouldn’t these things be revealed in scripture in some form even if in retrospect. Certainly something this important would be in scripture and not hidden from most believers.
I choose not to reply to many of the things here, because it is not my place to place my knowledge onto you as you have not asked for it, nor have the readers of this blog. I would prefer that they remain innocent in the lord and not be required to face what I have faced in my search for God.
I really do appreciate you not posting on this.
July 8, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Kane Mantyla
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Could he create even one creature knowing that the creature was destined for eternity in hell?
Yes, He gives us a choice to either love Him or not. He is not a man that He should lie. He is merciful, provides unmerited Grace in His Son Jesus, yet He is a God of justice. And, as Creator, He can do whatever He pleases, not what I think He should. If not for Him creating me, I’d be nothing. And, I’m nothing without Him.
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You are not fully understanding the nature of the question. You are more looking to respond than to connect. I attempt to connect in vein as twice I’ve posted the same comment on the nature of the written word for which you have avoided. This is fine, but it will be done in full consciousness. When you reflect on the nature of the question, you will see why the God that I believe in is the One God Almighty who reigns on high, it is the same God, but the emphasis you place on some scripture above others is why your God doesn’t seem as awesome and wonderful as mine. The intent is not to compare but to offer up the chance for reflecting on how we perceive creates our world. My God is also my breath, for without as much would I not have this present moment.
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If the things you say (and I’ve seen some accounts of Jesus ‘traveling years’ before) are true, then why wouldn’t these things be revealed in scripture in some form even if in retrospect. Certainly something this important would be in scripture and not hidden from most believers.
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This is another question that I would gladly reply to discreetly.
I will resign for the evening to be with my family.
May God continue to bless your path.
Love…
Perfection is Absolute.
July 8, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Lee
Sorry, I did mean to comment on the “is that my suitcase?” thing. I’ve actually done a similar exercise before; so, I understand your point. However, despite some difficult passages, the Bible is not all that hard to interpret. The most important thing is to put everything in proper context and to remember that scripture verifies scripture. There are no contradictions. If there is a seeming contradiction, more digging is necessary!
I enjoy the dialogue; but, I do have to say that while I do want to connect (hey, I do this for free and at the expense of doing many other things), I want to connect within the realm of traditional Biblical Christianity. I will dialogue; but, I don’t see myself moving over to some of your points of view. However, I do love you with Christ’s love — a love I could never have in my own strength.
It’s passed my bedtime…
July 8, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Layla
Kane,
So who is Jesus?
How does one receive salvation?
Do you believe there are other paths to God other than Christ?
August 20, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Gene
I have some questions.
How can something be called free will if you would be banished to hell for not choosing it? Where is the freedom in that? Maybe the choice was to open one’s mind.
Has anyone on this site personally witnessed that translating of the bible? Do you absolutely know for sure that nothing was changed, left out or manipulated from it’s original writing?
If God knows all, past present, and future, then He knew what we were going to choose and how this whole game we call life was going to turn out long before any of us were even born, right? Either that or He didn’t realize what would happen.
It is amazing to me how all the different people from every different religion and sect of Christianity believe as strongly as possible that they “know”. I wonder who’s right. They all claim the power of discernment. With “enough digging” we still have a difference of opinion.
Don’t waste your time Layla.
August 20, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee]
Gene,
Free will is freedom of choice. To not choose is to make a choice. Let me ask you a question: if you were the Creator would you tell your creation what to believe or would you allow the creation to tell you?
You are trying to figure out God based on your own limited finite mind. Think about this: if God — or more accurately — since God made you and me and the whole of creation doesn’t it make sense that He would possess more knowledge than He’s given us?
Have you read the Bible?
August 20, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Kim
Gene,
Perhaps you might be interested in reading this article.
https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/evidence-of-the-bibles-reliability/
So who is right? Well we can look at the changed lives of those who truly follow Christ and rely only on The Holy Bible for guidance and truth.
I walked away from Christianity when i was 16. I spent many years, in major difficulties. When I came back to the Lord Jesus Christ, i have now peace, love and security of my future. Is everything always hunky-dory? Nope. Is life always a breeze in the park? Nope.
But no matter what happens in my life, i have guidance and the tranquility that Jesus is there with me, and that the Holy Spirit resides in me.
Christianity is also the only faith that addresses a persons sins. This is unique of Christianity. Who is without sin? No one. Gene, are you without sin? Jesus paid that price, of your sin, on the cross for those who believe in Him.
God is holy and just. The Bible says He is coming again as a judge. A person must be cleansed to stand in front of such a holy and just presence. When He returns, what will be your sentence? Innocent or guilty?
August 20, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Mary B.
Gene,
I hope you don’t feel bombarded! There is a difference between Christianity and other religions (by Christianity, I mean Biblical Christianity and not christianity based on man made traditions as is what you tend to find in many churches today which have drifted from reverence of the Word of God). The difference is religions of the world teach you reach heaven by doing good works. Christianity says God did the work which will get you to heaven provided you accept it.
May 3, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Anonymous
Born again spirit filled believers have no business messing with energy healing, yoga, accupuncture or any other occult related activity. I went to a Chiropractor who was doing energy type work along with with his adjustments unknowingly and I came under serious demonic oppression. It was the worst thing that ever happened to me and I needed to go to a deliverance minstry to help me get the demonic oppresion to stop. I had to fully repent of allowing this doctor to perform his occult practices on me and repent of being involved in any and all occult activity. Christians have no business messing in the new age or astrology either. It is all from the evil one. The worst day of my life was walking into that place because I had no idea what really going on there. I wouldn’t let a Chiropractor touch me ever again and I am sure most are probably not using occult healing practices along with their protocol, but this one was and it was opened pandora’s box in my life.
May 3, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Kim
Thank you for the information. Many chiropractic offices are offering reiki, or other occult/new age practices. On the other hand I know some Christian chiropractors who just adjust the spine and for lack of better terminology, put a hip back in the joint.
I get adjustments to my neck occasionaly because of an old whiplash injury, although I have not needed one for about two years.
I am glad that you are free of the oppression. Repentance often is all it takes and many find that calling on the name of Jesus is enough. Some need assistance. I was once oppressed. Repentance and turning away from the sin once my eyes were opened freed me.
May 4, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Anonymous
Yes, I totally agree about repentance. It is the lost key to blessing. When we are a born again believer, we have no business keeping sin in our lives knowingly. If we do, we will come under terible chastisement which is what happened to me. It is for our own good because holiness leads to happiness and the fruits of the spirit. The devil set me up the day I walked into that office and it was the worst and the best thing that ever happened to me because it was a wake up call of who I was – God’s child. Unfortunately, I was backslidden for a long time and to be honest, due to my Catholic upbringing didn’t understand salvation. I actually thought that I was no longer saved because of all the stuff I was involved in. I got involved in some New age beliefs and stuff due to my sister, who encouraged me in it. Believe me, due to being tormented (oppressed) and the other demonic phenomena that happened, I collected anything that was occult or I though was occult and new age including any astrology related stuff and got rid of all of it- repented. You would be surprised what is considered occult- even Fung Shui and Karate. If it has to do with manipulating energy get it out of your life. It is from the prince of the power of the air. People don’t think a born again believer can be demonically tormented, but they can. Man is a tri part being. Spirit, Soul and body. The spirit if it has the Holy Spirit can’t be tormented. The body and soul (mind, will, and emotions) can. That is why there are some Christians who are sick or have mental issues like depression or OCD etc. If someone who is a believer is sick or has mental issues, examine your life and see if there is something you need to repent of like not forgiving someone, dabbling in the occult, and or any other unrepented of sin in your life. It is not worth it, repent today get peace and soundness of mind back. It is worth what you are giving up. Trust the Lord, He only wants you blessed.
May 4, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Anonymous
One more thing, if someone cast a demon out of you or you do it yourself in Jesus name and there is stronghold of sin, then the demon has the right to come back in and reside in your soul or body and torment you. This is especially true of sexual sins, occult sins, unforgiveness or if you have formed a soul tie with someone who is involved in the occult or not your spouse through sexual intercourse or lustful feelings which Jesus said is the same as commiting adultery. If someone is being tormented demonically, then they need to look all this stuff up. It was the key to my total deliverance from mental issues (depression and OCD) as well as my back pain. God is a mighty deliverer, but we have to cooperate through repentance. It is the key to blessing. Trust me, I wouldn’t even read a fortune cookie or a astrology short in a magazine if you paid me. It is all lies from satan.
May 4, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Kim
I agree with everything you have said, and I thank for sharing your thoughts and experience. There seems to be many people reading your comment from the looks of my blog stats so far today.
There is a definite connection with the depression and the contact with occult spirits. Many people who open themselves up to the “anointing?” in their churches often end up dealing with depression when the “holy?laughter” and ecstacy wears off. Many have told me this.
I was opened-up thru anti-depressant drugs and was receiving messages, which I thought were from God. I experienced oppressive and very odd sensations, sounds, and visions at night. Some seemed beautiful but this is part of the deception.
When the Lord opened my eyes, I took my recorded notes of messages and burned them. Outside. On my patio. That night a dream that i previously had… was exposed as demonic. I prayed and asked to Lord to remove all “gifts” that were not from Him. Everything stopped.
There is something called an occult inventory that one takes to confess all sin. But if one confesses all known sin this should suffice. God will make known all other sin in ones life that needs to be confessed. I have the web-site address at home, but I am at work now.
The end-time deception will definitely include spiritual deception in the church.
May 4, 2009 at 6:25 pm
mbaker
Kim,
“The end-time deception will definitely include spiritual deception in the church.”
And, of course, in our individual lives.
One other thing we need to do also is to ask forgiveness for our unknown sins. We can’t repent of them, of course. until the Lord makes them known to us, which He will if we ask.
I’ve learned that when I sincerely and honestly do that the Lord eventually reveals them to me, in His great mercy.
May 4, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Kim
One of the fastest ways to get an answer to prayer is to ask,
“Lord please expose my sin to me”……
My walk with God turned a corner when I first asked this, and it wasn’t very pretty at first either…
May 5, 2009 at 5:56 am
Anonymous
Yes, I was having dreams and visions as well that were not of God. You can discern these things by seeing if it lines up with God’s word or not. Every good and perfect gift comes from above. A true revival always comes after repentance. The church has lost it’s power because of all the Christians that are still on the milk and not the meat. I know because I was one of them. God’s saints need to quit toying with sin. We need to hate our sin because it put our Savior on the cross and we see how the Father dealt with sin all through the Old testament. If you don’t hate your sin, then you need to pray for a revelation from God and the power to want to turn from it. If you continue on in it, you will be the one to suffer. I suffered for 10 years before I got my wake up call with the Chiropractor and all because I didn’t who I was in Christ and didn’t believe I was saved (satan’s deception). We are more than conquers and have the power of the Holy spirit to overcome any sin or stronghold. We even have the authority to cast out evil spirits in Jesus name. If someone feels out of control in sexual sin or the occult, then it is possible they have a demonic spirit controlling them in that area. Repent- get rid of all the stuff in your house and life like porn, quit fornicating, masturbating etc. or get rid of your occult related stuff. Don’t donate it, throw it away to make sure nobody else gets a hold of it. You don’t want to be responsible for someone else’s demise. Then cast the demon of lust and the occult out in Jesus name and see how you feel. If it comes back and torments you, then you need to use the Word of God against it. The sword of the spirit. I clung to the verse “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” to overcome my fear of not being saved. We need to get word of God which is our spiritual food down in us. Many Christians are starving and that is why they are ineffective and defeated. Lastly, if you are a Christians and don’t have the fruit which is peace, love, joy etc, then something is probably wrong in your life where sin in concerned. Examine yourself and ask God to show you what it is. It is worth it. Don’t let the devil mess up your life one day longer. We have a battle Christians, put on the full armor of God and take your stand. The devil took 10 years of my life and now I am so angry about it. The word says “My People perish for lack of knowledge” and believe me, it is true. I wouldn’t trade where I am now for any of the sin I was involved with. Sin offers a temporary fix, but there are always consequences for sin. Lastly fruit of the Spirit, especially peace is the best. Trust me, even my health is better than it has ever been all because of repentance and obedience.
May 5, 2009 at 6:32 am
Anonymous
One more thing I feel the Holy Spirit leading me to say is the Word says that is was for freedom that Christ set us free. Freedom from sin especially. Yes, he paid for our sins on the cross, but we shouldn’t want to stay in them especially for that reason. He suffered because of them and if we love Him we will do what He says. We are being made into the likeness of Him, which is perfect. I am not saying this to condemn anyone, I just know from experience that if you are saved, God won’t let you stay in your mess. It is better if you deal with it instead of letting Him chastise you, which God hates doing as much as you hate to receive it. The Word says that He chastises every son He receives, so count it all joy if you are suffering from the weight of your sin with consequences because it will produce a harvest of righteousness. If you are struggling with certain sins, then keep up the fight with it repent, cast out demons, quote the scripture to your situation. God sees you and don’t lay down like I did and let the devil rob their life for 10 years. Pray for deliverance and don’t give up. Keep getting scripture down inside of you and cling to verses that are personal to your situation. I struggled with fear and anxiety for years. I quoted we have not been given a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and sound mind until all of that fear and anxiety was gone. My blood pressure is even lower and I didn’t change anything else. God is good, He is our Father and knows what is best for us, so just keep asking God to take care of things and trust Him and there will be nothing to fear. Lastly, be careful of what drugs you are taking. That is another door for satan to use. I saw Kim saying something about antidepressants. Many mind altering drugs are related to sorcery in the Bible which means pharmacea. I am not telling people to throw their drugs away, but pray about it. If you are depressed then there is probably a spiritual reason for it unrepented of sin or unforgiveness. Forgive people and yourself and if you can’t forgive, then ask God to help you to forgive. He will do it. If he can forgive you your sins, then you need to forgive others of their sins and of your own mistakes. Holding unforgivness toward someone isn’t worth it. It fills you with bitterness and you suffer for it. Lastly, research homeopathy, which is also energy medicine. I think it may have a demonic root as well. The Body has Christ is being taken for a ride by the devil and we don’t even realize it. We need to wake up to the wiles of the devil. He studies us and our weaknesses, so he can destroy our lives and our effectiveness for Christ. Put on the full armor of God. The devil needs to be exposed. He has been messing with our lives long enough ! God is Almighty, but he has an adversary.
May 5, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Kim
Just a note since you mentioned the anti-depressants. I immediately went on a taper program to get off of them. I couldn’t believe that the doctor would prescribe two of them for me for pain in the stomach and menopause.
“Many mind altering drugs are related to sorcery in the Bible which means pharmacea.”
Yes there are three verses in the bible that uses
Strong’s G5331 – pharmakeia (sorceries)
Galatians 5:20 – Rev 9:21 and Rev 18:23
May 5, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Anonymous
Yes, sorrry for my mispelling and grammar errors in my previous posts. I realize that I need to double check before I submit my posts. It would probably be better to try an herbal product like St. Johns Wort than to use traditional mind altering drugs. I know that from my own experiences, if you are depressed, have mental issues, compulsions, addictions, can’t sleep etc and are a Christian, then God is truly trying to get your attention about something that isn’t right in your life. Before the Chiropractic incident, there were numerous what I would call “wake up” calls that God tried to use to get my attention, but I was so stubborn and so oblivious that I continued on in my sins. As horrible as the demonic torment and oppression was, I am grateful for it and I considered it to have been the worst thing that ever have happened to me, but this culmination of chastisement brought the most blessing to me. Today I know that I am a child of the Living God, I know that God of the Bible and Jesus exists without any doubt, I know that He loves me, I know the saving power of His son’s blood, and I got a horrible glimpse of the demonic realm and how it operates. That is why I posted, so that others don’t have to suffer through what I did. I just want to reiteriate, if you are messing with anything occult and are a born again believer, then get it out of your life NOW. You are playing with fire and will get burned eventually. I used to justify astrology because I reasoned that God made the stars, so it is okay, but the people who are interpreting the stars (astrologers are divinators). There are numerous passages in the Bible against astrology and the sun, moon, and stars will one day be consumed with fire when the judgement of God falls on them, as is spoken of in the book of Revelation. Do not look to the stars for direction which is turning them into idols. Trust and worship the Creator of them, not the creation. Idolators will have their part in the lake of fire. This so called innocent occult practices is what opened the door of God’s judgement to fall on me. Repent and get rid of whatever sin you need to and receive the peace of God which surpasses all understanding. IT IS WORTH IT ! I would not want to be back in the pig pen and in bondage to all my sins. God is a mighty deliverer. Seek His face and His delivering power. Don’t give up on God. Fight the good fight of faith saints !
May 6, 2009 at 10:31 am
Anonymous
I found an interesting website yesterday, that I wished I had seen before going to a Chiropractor. Here is the email address. You can copy and paste it
http://www.wayoflife.org/files/749f8c178ddb99e1f46497bf8ee81bfe-218.html.
It talks about how the entire chiropractic philosphy is rooted in the occult and new age beliefs and the founder of it was an occultist. It also describes the methods many chiropractors use, which I recognize as the ones that caused me problems. I became really sick after the deliverance from the demonic torment and affects. I had diarrhea for two weeks straight, had burning sensations anywhere the chiropractor had touched me, broke out in hives on chest on and off. I got a painful cysts, one on my face and one in the middle of my chest, which is where most of burning occured. I also caught some kind of flu. It was horrible, but I am sure that my body was detoxing all the demonic influences he transfered to me. I personally would never go to a Chiropractor again. I don’t want to tell anyone what to do, but if it sounds fishy or mystical and there is no scientific basis on why something works, then question it. The devil is a liar and masquerades as an angel of light to trap people. I truly pity this Chiropractor and all others who are operating in the deception of satan. I pray that God shines His saving light and breaks through to Him before it is too late for his soul.
May 6, 2009 at 8:19 pm
TimH
Anonymous,
Just out of curiosity, were you or are you involved in Cleansing Stream Ministries?
May 7, 2009 at 9:18 am
Anonymous
No, I am not part of any ministry currently, but am praying that God leads me into the destiny He has for me and would appreciate anyone’s prayers in that direction. I will look into the ministry you mentioned to see what it is all about. I just wanted people to know that God is about the santification of His church. He won’t allow you to wallow in the pig pen if you are truly saved and one of His elect. It is all by grace, but it is better to cooperate with the Holy Spirit than to have to get chastised and go through years of pain, addictions, compulsions, mental or health problems etc. If this is part of a believers life, then they need to pray and examine their lives and consult and believe what the Word of God says about all different types of sins and attitudes. Unfortunately, obedience comes hard to me, but I paid the price for it and it is better to obey and sow to the spirit and not to the flesh and reap destruction upon yourself. God will not be mocked. I mention the specific problems above specifically because I dealt with all of them and am now delivered from all of them- praise God ! We are to be a blessed set apart people, but God can’t bless a mess. Please pray for people who are involved in the occult and new age because that in itself is a very addictive stronghold due to the power and false knowledge that the evil one gives to them. The longer they are in it, the harder it is to break through to them as the demons completely take over their personalities and lives. The day I disposed of all the occult stuff in my life, I felt such peace, like being intoxicated, but not in an drunk way. Like a load had been lifted off my soul and it was probably just a bit of what it feels like in heaven. It happened right after I saw the trash collector take all of it and put it in the truck. I knew God was very pleased and had blessed me with that feeling. To this day, I sometimes find my mind wander to the knowledge of the things I know from the occult, so I have to cast down all imaginations that exalt itself above the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. This is using the spiritual delete button and by this we are not allowing our minds to dwell on things that are not supposed to be there. This is also true for people who are involved in pornography. You can get rid of it, but the things you saw can still be in your mind and you have to do the same thing. I also know that there is a demon of mind control that can bring thoughs into your head constantly, so repent first and then you can cast demons of whatever is tormenting you over. For porn, it is a demon of lust for new age it is the demon of the occult. Whatever keeps coming to your mind over and over or feelings that linger can be demons. Like a demon of depression, OCD, or whatever. Let the Holy Spirit lead you. I had a problem thinking of someone other than my spouse and kept casting down imaginations, but there was a soul tie, I had to break that first and then I had to cast a demonic spirit of mind control out. It shouldn’t surprise people that I am talking about demons because they hate true believers and yes they still exist. Jesus had to deal with them and so do we. I would bet that probably more than half of mentally institutionalized people are actually demon oppressed. There are spirits of suicide and death as well, so if you are feeling that way, it is possible this is of demonic orgin. We are more than conquers in Christ Jesus and have authority through Him over satan. He is a defeated foe ! All Glory, Honor and praise to your Lord Jesus Christ and for your sacrifice which sets the captives free !
May 7, 2009 at 9:23 am
Anonymous
Lastly, I know that God is a mighty deliverer. Some of the things I had struggled with, I was completely delivered from and I suggest for believers to pray for deliverance as well. With God, all things are possible.
May 7, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Anonymous
One more thing, if you are demonically oppressed or tormented, then here is the website that was informative and helpful to me. I found my deliverance ministry through this to help me get rid of the demonic influences that the Chiropractor had transfered to me and the information in this site alone helped me to deal with what was going on. I think the worst thing that happened to me was the spirit of fear that came against me. Fear that I had lost my salvation, that God hated me etc. If you are dealing with fear, then that is not of God, it is of the enemy. God wants to heal our bodies of illness and of our emotional wounds. Jesus paid for this on the cross. Don’t let the father of lies deceive you. If you want freedom it is there, but you have to deal with the strongholds by using the Word of God (Sword of spirit) and getting the truth of God’s Word down inside of you, so you can come against the strongholds by faith. Repentance and renoucing your sin and using the Word of God and putting on the full armor of God. Lastly, God is merciful and can deliver you of things as well, but God is provident and will allow stuff to come against us, so that we can learn to walk with Him more closely and come to know who He is and who we are in His Son. You can’t put God in a box. He is Our Father and knows what is best for us. Trust Him always and don’t question Him because He is all loving and there are reasons for all His ways. All His ways are true love.
http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/deliverance_prep101.php
May 8, 2009 at 7:53 am
Kim
I want to thank you for the link on deliverance. I would like offer another link about deliverance ministries.
http://www.cicministry.org/commentary/issue78.htm
I have read many sites about warfare and some are good and most are way over the top. Any method that takes our eyes off of Jesus is dangerous.
Many deliverance ministries use hidden or occult methods to remain in the system. The goal is to close the door on the hidden spiritual world of demons yet some people revel in their ‘secret knowledge’ of demons which we are not to delve in.
Satan can burn the candle at both ends.
Bob Dewaay says this in the article:
“God has not revealed the names of demons over nations, cities, neighborhoods, or in demonized persons. The only source of such information is from some other type of revelation….gained from demons themselves.”
And the demons “they are LIARS.”
So i am just asking those who frequent the suggestions offered up in deliverance ministries to please read the above article carefully to help balance your view.
Years ago, I was once oppressed myself, but deceived by thinking my revelations, and “experiences” were from God. I began to read the “prophetic” sites, thinking I was prophectic, but I was full of it.
But I was in the Word all the time and knew something was wrong. It was hours of prayer, keeping my nose in scripture, and praying that the Lord reveal His truths to me, that I was delivered.
I did burn my occult revelations. What prompted me to do this was in scripture. Deuteronomy 12:3
“Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places.”
We are to destroy anything to do with false gods or idols which are demons.
The Lord Jesus Christ reigns supreme over our lives, and His word is sufficient.
May 8, 2009 at 9:29 am
Anonymous
Thank you for that article, it really helped me. I do think that there are times when a deliverance ministry is necessary to shed light onto why demonic oppression is happening. I totally believe in the Providence of God and know that what happened to me was allowed in God’s plan for my life. I am grateful to Him for it because it was the wake up call to repentance that I needed. I felt God’s Holy Spirit lead me in all aspects of my deliverance and give God all the glory for it. This article helped me to understand the scripture- Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23.
May 9, 2009 at 8:42 am
TimH
Anonymous
I am not recommending the ministry, I was just asking if you were involved with it or had been a part of it.
If you do look into the ministry read carefully. I AM NOT RECOMMENDING IT as I had been a part of it for many years until God open my eyes to some things that I found to be based on unscriptural interpretation and out of context of what the original author, the Holy Spirit, really was stating to the people then and the church now.
May 9, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Anonymous
Can you expand on what you felt was unscriptural? If you feel anything I have posted also falls in that category, then feel free to post on that as well. Like I said before, I just came out of being backslidden and am still getting my roots down in the Lord and His Word. I do not want to mislead anyone in anyway and have only posted to offer help to anyone who is in bondage or backslidden, in the hopes that it might shed light intor their negative situation. I do firmly believe in God’s guidance through any negative situation that a Christian is in and they should lean heavily on Our Father God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit’s leading and deliverance out. God allows negatives situations to come into our lives. He is Provident and we should always be trusting Our Father, no matter what we are facing.
May 9, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Anonymous
I should say sometimes God allows negative situations into our lives. Sometimes we are suffering from the consequences of our own sin which has to do with sowing and reaping. We can’t escape consequences, so it is better to obey with the help of God’s Spirit than to suffer later. God says that with every temptation, there is a way out and we should always be looking for the way out and not focus on the temptation.
May 9, 2009 at 11:18 pm
TimH
Anonymous
I asked the question about if you were involved because much of your language and terminoloy that you used in your posts was also a lot of what I heard in this ministry.
I was just curious. You know that there are many ministries out there that are using terms that come from the church but it may mean something different to them from what it may mean to us.
I wasn’t finding any fault in what you were sharing. It’s just that I was involved with them for over 7 years and have recently left because of the “red flags” that I got and I believe the Lord just opened my eyes in order to get me out. As I said, I was just asking.
Just for the sake of sharing one item that is being taught that I believe is taken out of context of what Christ said is the area of “binding” and “loosing” the enemy. I have talked at length with a friend who has a doctorate in Greek and he concurs that the way that the church is using this scriptures is totally out of context of the original meaning. And by the way the man is in a pentecostal denomination.
Delievernce ministries as well as many other areas in the church use the terms in order to take control over the enemy and deliver or set a person free from Satan or a demon. The original Greek has nothing to do with this and if we really look at our N.T examples, Christ first, and then the Apostles, you never read that they used this in the way it is used today. It is extra biblical and incorrect, IMHO.
May 11, 2009 at 7:03 am
Anonymous
Thanks for letting me know. I am still learning, but one thing I learned from my situation is that forgiveness, repentance of sin, and breaking down of strongholds is truly the key to deliverance from demonic oppression. The demons have no right to torment a spirit filled believer who is walking in holiness. I know it is hard, but what I have been doing is crying out to God to change my evil heart to a heart that wants to be obedient and love Him above everything including my own besetting sins and lusts. Nobody is perfect, but we are supposed to put the flesh to death. For some it is easier, for some of us, it is an awful battle, but by God’s grace, we can do this, otherwise we are giving the devil a foothold in our life.
May 14, 2009 at 8:22 am
Anonymous
TimH Can I hear what you found to be true about binding and Loosing? Just wondering? I am not sure of my beliefs on it, but want to hear what the person who knows the original greek told you.
May 15, 2009 at 7:25 am
TimH
For us to understand its true meaning, we need to go to the text it was first used in Matt. 16:13-20. (Remember, all scripture is to be read in its context for us to understand the original intent of the author.)
Matt. 16:13-20 — Jesus asked the disciples a direct question of who they say He is. Peter is then given a revelation from the Father calling Him the Messiah, the Son of the Living God.
Jesus then states He will build His Church on Peter’s statement of who He is. (Meaning the deity of Christ is what the Church is built on — this is the fundamental confession of faith.) And the gates of hell will not overcome it ever. In Vs. 19 We see the term we are looking into — Jesus speaks to Peter and gives him the keys of the Kingdom. “Whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven”.
Giving keys to a person signified an entrusting with him to do an important task, in the scriptures they are used a symbol of authority and power, which is given specifically to Peter for his role in the beginning of the church.
Binding and loosing were used in two different manners judicially and legislatively. The traditional meaning was used in a -judicial sense “to bind” meant to punish, “to loose” meant to release from punishment.
Used legislatively “to bind” meant to forbid something, “to loose” meant to permit.
The terms of binding and loosing were used by the Rabbis as legislative authority in interpreting scripture. The Pharisees used this authority to permit laws that were forbidden and forbid laws that were permitted. By doing this they elevated their own authority to add onto the scriptures extra laws which were man-made and became tradition.
I’ll give biblical support when I have time today either at lunch or after work…..
May 22, 2009 at 4:50 am
Anonymous
Thanks, I just want to share with anyone who has been following this thread that the Lord has given to me in my spirit. We have the victory over sin, it was won at the cross by Jesus’s sacrifice. We are more than overcomers in Him. We just have to believe that what God said is true regarding unrighteouness and realize that we are called to His Kingdom of righteouness. We need to walk in faith realizing that our ultimate goal is to become like Christ and carry our cross. The Christian life is a war, we need to put on the full armor of God and fight for our freedome and kick our way out of sin. The cell door has been unlocked by Jesus, it is time to realize that and walk free. Freedom is there, we have to walk in it by faith. If you continue to stay in bondage to the enemy and his deception, then that is by your choice. We need to ask the Holy Spirit to grant us the wisdom and repentance to walk free. If you are in bondage, then deal with it by faith and prayer. Cry out to God to change your evil heart to desire Him alone and not the sin and evil desires that so easily ties us down. If you are saved, you are redeemed and justified and therefore must walk in that confession and truth. In weakness God will show His strength. You are an overcomer and have the victory through Jesus’s resurrection power that is working in you. Never forget who and whose you are.
May 22, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Tim H
Here is a site that I really have enjoyed and how they teachthe scriptures in the area of Spiritual Warfare…
http://www.spiritualwarfaredeliverance.com/html/false-doctrine-et-teachings.html
May 25, 2009 at 3:41 am
Anonymous
Here is another site on deliverance and spirtual warfare that talks about what is allowed and what isn’t when casting out demons. I know that everything I went through followed this site’s recommendations. It is also very scriptural. Lastly, I just wanted to say that when we become saved, we have a covenant with God. If we break covenant with Him due to our own continued sin, then we make it possible for the enemy to attack us. Being backslidden is a dangerous place where illness and curses come. We need to continue in the Lord’s kindness to us and by His grace, we have the power to do so. Holiness leads to peace and joy and all the fruits of the spirit. If you are in bondage to sin or addictions, then you need to pray, fast, and find deliverance. Pray that God leads you to your freedom. Deliverance will come and when it does whatever you were addicted to before won’t even attract you any longer. It won’t be in your thoughts or desires. It will be as if you never were even involved with it. God is a miracle working redeemer, but we need to submit ourselves to Him.
http://www.thequickenedword.com/deliverance.html#1%5D
September 4, 2009 at 7:12 am
Maggie
I just stumbled onto this website by accident. This is not a sarcastic question. I truly want to know what it means specifically to be “under demonic attack”?
September 4, 2009 at 7:27 am
Maggie
Kane,
Just to let you know! I too share the same God you do! And I am very grateful. We continue to evolve as human species and as spirit. I believe God is unconditional love. This is the God I know! Once the dogma of religion and belief systems are broken within – you find the true God and he’s amazing! I don’t blame demons or god or satan for what God is trying to teach me for my own evolution. I know he is always there.
Peace,
Kane
September 4, 2009 at 7:32 am
Maggie
Sorry people I just stumbled onto this website and probably won’t come back. I don’t know a lot about scripture and did not mean to offend anyone. I have no business in this conversation in the first place. LOL!
Peace to you all,
Maggie
September 4, 2009 at 7:37 am
Maggie
Sorry I miss spoke! You can find God through religion and scripture. I just feel like sometimes scripture is taken out of context and misinterpreted. Does it not leave people in a fear based stance “if I chose not to do this I will go to hell?” I really will probably not return to this blog. I never posted a blog and hope I didn’t offend anyone. I didn’t mean to. I would have deleted it but I didn’t know how!
Peace to all,
Maggie
September 4, 2009 at 7:39 am
Maggie
One more thing! Do you think Jesus’s purpose was to scare people into following his word??? I don’t know something doesn’t add up to me! Maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about!
September 4, 2009 at 8:45 am
Kim
Hi Maggie,
Thank you for coming to DiscernIt.
You ask many valid questions. Demonic attack takes various forms. In this article I am saying that what seems like enlightenment is actually Satan is disguise. Also people who delve into the demonic realm or spirit world become oppressed. Some complain of a heaviness or weight upon their soul, or maybe like a black cloud following them. It can also be deception against the truth of the Word of God.
The new age Jesus only speaks of love and ignores the sinful condition of man. Do not we all steal, lie, and lust? How then can we stand before a holy God on judgment day.
The only way to be cleansed before a righteous God is believe in Jesus Christ who died for our sins.
You ask is it Jesus’ purpose to scare people? Well the Bible does say we are to fear God and we need to ponder what lies for us after we die. Will you go to hell?
We must all repent and turn from our sin or be eternally condemned. Did you lie yesterday? How does the God Kane spoke of handle the sins of mankind?
You are very correct about one thing. Scripture is indeed taken out of context and false teachers love to do this very thing. That is why one needs to read the Bible from cover to cover.
I pray that God will open your heart and mind and that that you will seek the true and living God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac. And that Jesus who died for you, will open your eyes to the truth, that He is indeed the only way to salvation.
September 4, 2009 at 9:10 am
jb
actually when you look into it, there is a lot more New Age practices in traditional medicine than chiropractic. also when you truly think about medicine, it’s a religion.
the doctors are priests, you are born and die in their church, if you do not believe what they tell you, you are lablled an idiot. they are not to be questioned. you must subscribe to their way of thinking. come to think of it, it’s very cultish.
almost all the hospitas in my area offer reiki, yoga, meditation classes.
September 4, 2009 at 10:45 am
JM
I deal with so many people who will do anything that an MD tells them. Drugs, drugs and more drugs. Some say pharmaceuticals are a form of witchcraft. People are so dumbed down they don’t know what is happening. You have to be careful when pursuing any kind of healthcare. Educate yourselves about your problems what are possible treatments, the ramifications not only physically but spiritually and make solid decisions based on that not what your MD spews at you. Whatever you do do not get the swine flu vaccination.
September 4, 2009 at 11:28 am
jb
answer this:
step on a rusty nail, two choices 1- scrub it clean use over the counter such as neosporin, clean, clean, clean etc.
2- go get a tetanus shot… so where is the logic in getting a vaccine after coming into contact with the infection through a wound? is it logical to get a “vaccine” which has the bug in it, when you might already have the bug from the wound? would you be injecting more tetanii in yourself? what if you don’t get it any way (I’m talking from experience rusty nail on a fence post in horse arena in rainy weather)?
“witch doctors” got organized and became very powerful, that’s it. surgeons imho are the only REAL doctors along with E.R. doctors.
September 4, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Kim
“Some say pharmaceuticals are a form of witchcraft. ”
look at this verse in Revelation
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The word sorceries in this verse, (there are three verses using G5331) use the Greek word #G5331 pharmakeia
Here is the definition
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
I agree…do not take the swine flu shot.
September 4, 2009 at 1:21 pm
JM
My husband and I are always sort of amused over the tv ads for drugs. Almost every single one of them has death as a side effect. Every single drug has side effects. I always say I will take my chances without the drug thank you. Have any of you come across Miracle Mineral Solution?
http://www.miraclemineral.org/ It is cheap, works well against bacteria, viruses, parasites etc and the govt hates it. It is good to have on hand. This stuff would most likely take care of an experience with a rusty nail.
September 4, 2009 at 1:36 pm
JM
Just ran across this.
Have you ever wondered why doctors are pushing pills at such a rate and
why they are willingly silent about the uselessness of Swine Flu
vaccinations!
The Answer: They have been on the drug maker’s “payroll” for many, many
years.
NEWS BRIEF: “Pfizer’s bitter pill: $2.3 billion”, Chicago Sun-Times,
September 3, 2009
“WASHINGTON — Federal prosecutors hit Pfizer Inc. with a record-breaking
$2.3 billion in fines Wednesday and called the world’s largest drugmaker a
repeat corporate cheat for illegal drug promotions that plied doctors with
free golf, massages and resort junkets. Announcing the penalty as a warning
to all drug manufacturers, Justice Department officials said the overall
settlement is the largest paid by a drug company for alleged violations of
federal drug rules, and the $1.2 billion criminal fine is the largest in any
U.S. criminal case. The total includes $1 billion in civil penalties and a
$100 million criminal forfeiture.”
Notice that this ruling included “criminal” penalties!
“Authorities called Pfizer a repeat offender, noting it is the company’s
fourth such settlement of government charges in a decade. The allegations
concern the marketing of 13 drugs, including Bextra and big sellers such as
Viagra, Zoloft and Lipitor.”
Doctors were richly rewarded for prescribing these medications.
“As part of its illegal marketing, Pfizer invited doctors to consultant
meetings at resort locations, paying their expenses and providing perks,
prosecutors said. ‘They were entertained with golf, massages and other
activities’, said Mike Loucks, the U.S. attorney in Massachusetts.”
This settlement is fulfillment of the old adage, the “pot calling the kettle
black”. Both the government and the largest drug companies knew what was
going on all along. The only reason the government would act now is to
enhance its reputation for consumer protection just before the same
government urged and forced people to take the Swine Flu vaccination!
But, at least, you know why doctors and hospitals and research facilities
are strangely silent concerning the worthlessness and the extreme dangers of
a flu vaccination. They have had their hands in the proverbial cookie jar
for so long that they do not want to speak the truth now about the flu and
risk being cut off from such wonderful compensation for pushing the agenda
of the drug makers.
Now you know the truth!
September 4, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Kim
JM,
The product MMS has caught my interest and I ordered a bottle of it to try.
I use Silver Biotics as it is, and it is great for travel. I never get sick when I go to Mexico when I use the Silver Biotics.
September 4, 2009 at 7:16 pm
JM
Silver and MMS are a great combo. I have seen MS symptoms lessen with the MMS. A pt who had numbness in her hands for 10 years had it almost totally go away after a week or two of MMS. My allergies have gone away. Others have told me that jock itch went away in a matter of days, shingles lesions disappeared within a day, warts that had been hanging on for years went away. We are so full of bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites it is no wonder we are always sick. I think the African malaria stories are the most impressive. The African governments are giving people who want to bring this in all kinds of flack.
September 4, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Kim
This is great news. I can’t wait to try it. Thank you so much for the suggestion. I have had food allergies and headaches for years. So many people are sick. Our food supply is tainted. Sickness and cancer is epidemic.
Those responsible will pay someday.
July 31, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Yusuf Anshori
nice post and execelent blog
March 20, 2013 at 4:24 pm
The Modern Messenger
Great to see that there are still people who use their God given discernment that understand the dangers of the “new spirituality”. Eastern mysticism certainly is not new. It has just been repackaged. Keep up with our call to test the spirits and to warn others. Good job!
April 1, 2013 at 9:14 am
Ashley
Thank you so much for this information. I worked in chiropractic clinics and I’m so glad I know the truth. My grandfather is a chiropractor. This answers so many questions and gut feelings I had.
December 21, 2019 at 9:50 pm
Chris
What happens to these patients that’s so dangerous? Do they immediately commit random acts of sin? Do they relinquish their soul to Satan? You went in to detail describing the serpent and how it’s similar to the manifestations present in Toronto, but than make this immediate leap into describing how dangerous Network but you don’t talk about how? Judge a tree by it fruit, right? So what are the testimonies of people undergoing this protocol? How does it compare to the people who went the Toronto?
December 22, 2019 at 9:08 am
Kim
Hi Chris. wow i haven’t looked at this thread in a long time. Thanks for the questions.
I did take a current look at videos to see what was current and saw this. https://youtu.be/uxozUJSmqPQ
The undulation happening to the patient at the beginning of the video is concerning. What is causing it?
No I do not think that people undergoing treatment that is laced with shamanic (calling on a spiritual force) will automatically sin or give up their soul. However I think it is dangerous to the soul. New Age Chiro is simply New Age thought that calling on a force is some spiritual enlightening/healing treatment.
There does seem to be more people testifying about their strange experiences about Reiki than New Age Chiro. I just read this.
“When I took to Google shortly after my session — looking up phrases like “shaking during reiki,” “body moving during reiki,” “can I die from reiki,” etc. — I found pages upon pages of testimonials echoing my experience, both from practitioners witnessing those reactions in the recipients, and from the recipients themselves. The explanations, usually provided by other members within the forums, were along the lines of what the practitioner had told me: it was an “energy shift,” or “fluctuations of ki.” But what did that actually mean? For those seeking scientific explanations, unfortunately, the answer is … well, there is no answer.”
There are answers but it is not scientific but spiritual.
You are right that I do not have testimonies from people going under NC protocol. But I have many who have experienced the manifestations from Charismatic excesses by calling upon what they think is the Holy Spirit but is actually demonic. These people often speak of being depressed and having feelings of increased anxiety after these sessions. As soon as they repented of practices forbidden in the Bible, there was often immediate relief. Some were so involved that closing that metaphysical door proved to be more difficult. A lot of prayer is needed at times. I have corresponded personally with many young women suffering from oppression.
Anyway It is my belief that any metaphysical practice can be dangerous to the mind, body and soul.