This is another situation where the Lord put me into a witnessing and learning experience.
pictures: wiccan symbol earth – water – wind – fire with the upright pentagram
This is a revised article originally posted 7/7/07.
I went into a business I frequent knowing that the owner Marilyn, is a Wiccan and calls herself a witch. Well, I noticed that she had filled a bookcase with books about witchcraft and casting spells. Also she had posted a sign on her counter “Wicca 101”. Please sign up for classes.
I said something to her young employee about staying away from the evil books, who in turn said something to Marilyn. She left me a letter at the counter and here is a portion of it.
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“I practice the Old Religion that dates back over 30,000 years when humans cherished the planet and what She provides to sustain life. We honor, respect and love not only the masculine god but the feminine Goddess in all Her aspects. We honor and call upon the Arch Angels for assisance and protection whenever we are doing healing work or spiritual ceremonies. We honor the seasons, our planet, the elements that give us life; Mother Earth, Fire, Water, Air.”
“In Wicca, there are many different, eclectic practices…none of which include the Christian bad-guy Satan. Satan ONLY exists in Christianity…you will not find him in other religions. From what i have learned over the years those that are against Christianity take the opposite polarity and honor the negave of Christianity…known as Satan. For us, he doesn’t exist at all and we have nothing to do with anyone that does. This is not because we “believe in him”, it’s because we know there are negative influences and energies of the universe which are not to be tapped into.”
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There is something about dealing with witchcraft in your very own neighborhood that makes these issues so close to your heart and so suddenly real. When a local pastor endorsed the new “Harry Potter” book as a good example of good and evil, I was stunned.
Okay, I needed help with this situation. I wrote Marilyn a letter but first emailed it to a friend David Lowe (http://earthquakeresurrection.com) who strengthened the repentance message and basically revamped the letter, much to its improvement.
Here is part of it.
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Your take on Satan is interesting. Those who adhere to biblical teachings believe that Satan has an influence over ALL other religions. Whether the god worshiped is Baal, Osiris, Brahma, Shiva, Sophia, Kali, Eros, Adonis, Gaia, etc., II Cor. 4:4 describes this evil influence as the “god of this world,” who has blinded the minds of those who do not believe in Jesus Christ as Lord. These gods and goddesses are personifications of life forces or manifestations, but in reality those worshiping them are worshiping demons- unclean evil spirits. The Bible states so in Revelation 9:21 when it says”humanity…did not repent of the works of their hands. so that they did not stop worshiping demons and idols,” Psalm 96:5 states “For all Gods of the nations are worthless idols.”
I have read that most witches teach that we are “divine”. But this is the same lie that Satan told Eve in the Garden of Eden. Gen 3:5 “Your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as Gods”. See…the lie is still the same today. People want to be like God instead of worshiping God. This belief has eternal implications.
Many of the things you believe are filtering into the churches. The Gospel is being ignored. The Gospel is that Jesus died and rose again. He took our sins upon Himself, so that we are forgiven and will live forever with HIM, if we repent and put our trust in HIM. Repentance means we acknowledge our faults to Him, die to ourselves, following the commands of Jesus as a child obeys its Father, and serving Him as a subject serves its King. There couldn’t be anything further from teaching that we are “divine” than this.
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A couple days went by after I dropped off the letter to her. Then early one morning at 4:00 am, I was awoken by a chanting/singing. I immediately knew that this had to do with Marilyn and I knew she was casting a spell. I believe the Lord allowed me to hear this in my spirit so that I would pray. I prayed for her and His protection for myself.
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Just recently I was talking with an IHOPian (who I am very concerned about because he is involved in this ministry) who told me that witches had put a curse on his house and had left a dead black cat on his property.
Someone else who has left this ministry gave me an interesting account of how the local witches were frequenting the IHOP (International House of Prayer in Kansas City) prayer room and going to the altar for prayer. This person told me that going to the altar became a problem because it was an open forum and anyone could lay hands on anyone and there was a sense of something demonic from the other person praying.
This person asks….. why aren’t witches fleeing in such a powerful environment of prayer and how could a curse get through the protection that prayer would provide through constant 24/7intercession?
Good question don’t you think? The answer is that territorial and spiritual warfare as proposed and conducted by IHOP is ineffectual.
Upright Pentacle/Pentagram
Upright pentacles and pentagrams are among the most widely used religious symbols. They have been used in many eras and by many cultures and religions of the world: by ancient Pagans, ancient Israelites, Christians, magicians, Wiccans and others.
Wiccans have attempted to reconstruct a Pagan religion similar to that of the ancient Celts. They have adopted the upright pentacle/pentagram, since it was the symbol of Morgan, an ancient Celtic goddess. Many wear it as jewelry and use it on their altars. The symbol is frequently traced by hand using an athame (a ritual knife) during Wiccan rituals. It is used to cast and banish their healing circles. Some Wiccans interpret the five points as representing earth, air, fire, water, and spirit — the five factors needed to sustain life. Others relate the points to the four directions and spirit. Some Wiccans and other Neopagans bless themselves and others with the sign of the pentagram. Their hand passes from their forehead to one hip, up to the opposite shoulder, across to the other shoulder, down to the opposite hip and back to the forehead. Some of the more highly structured Wiccan traditions have used an inverted pentagram to represent a second or third degree status. “Many of these groups have since substituted a triangle form for the same degrees because of the association of the inverted form of the pentacle with Satanism and black magic.“
Witchcraft (divination): a means for extracting information or guidance from a pagan god.
When most people think of witchcraft, they think of worshipping the devil. Howbeit, most people that worship the devil, do NOT worship him directly–They worship idols or other pagan gods. Did you know that behind every idol is a demon! Read the following Scripture:`
1 Corinthians 10:19,20: “What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.”
There is a real danger in playing with the occult. Charms, idols (statues), crystals, tarot cards, candles, potions, magic recipes, astrology, horoscopes, palm-readings, fortune-tellers, psychics, crystal-balls, spells, trinkets, etc.–There are demons behind all of these!!! If your seeking guidance, power or information from them, you are practicing witchcraft. There are many people today who are placing emphasis upon astrology, rather than upon the Bible. Remember, seeking guidance or information from a pagan god is witchcraft according to the Bible. Stores and magazine racks are loaded with material on occultic practices. The media is promoting it. Oprah Winfrey has done much to promote it. Author’s are promoting it. We see it everywhere we turn! My friend, astrology and all such practices are an abomination unto the Lord. God calls it “an abomination.” Why is it an abomination?–Because it takes people away from the living and true God, Jesus Christ. It plunges them into darkness and demonism (the real gods of the occult). There is reality in the world of demons. There are fallen angels and a spirit world around us. This stuff is real folks, and today people are fascinated with it. Ozzy Osbourne went straight to the top of the rating’s chart in 2002. He is known for upside-down crosses and blasphemies against Christ. People are intrigued with the occult. People use drugs and every other means they can think of to try to make contact with this unseen world (and the Satanic world is eager to make contact with them). A child of God must leave this mess alone! To dabble in astrology is to turn away from the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. God has given us warnings concerning this. His warnings have been very accurate in the past. His batting average, friend, is excellent–He hasn’t missed yet. God hits a home run every time, and I am going to go along with Him. You would be wise to do the same.
http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/witchcraft_is_satanic.htm
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February 23, 2008 at 7:03 pm
A Pagan/Wiccan writes
I reject the concept of the bible. I don’t reject God.
I believe all Gods are the manifestation of the one God/Goddess.
For example, when I put on my badge and go to work, I become somewhat of a different person. When I take the badge off and act in the capacity of Clerk-Magistrate, I become a different person, so-to-speak. When I am not working and at home with my family, I become a family man (a different person).
I don’t really call the Lord and Lady by their known names for they are all one of the same.
In regards to what you wrote: “[t]he lie is that we are divine and as gods”, I don’t think I am a God. I believe our creators are like our parents (hence they created us), but I don’t believe I am a walking God. I haven’t met one Pagan/Wiccan who thought they were a God/Goddess.
I know a Coven uses the High Priestess as the representation of the Goddess and the High Priest as the representation of the God….. but they’re only representations. (Note: I don’t work with any Coven, I am a solitary Pagan/Wiccan and do things on my own. I have been to “open circles” but that is basically like a church meeting, if you will.)
We also view the Moon as the representation of the Goddess and the Sun (the opposite) as the representation of the God. This doesn’t mean we actually worship the Sun and Moon. They just remind us of our Lord and Lady (like a cross reminds you of Jesus).
Christians and Pagans also use statues to represent the Almighty; however, we don’t actually believe the statues are the real Almighty.
February 23, 2008 at 9:19 pm
A Pagan/Wiccan writes
Kim,
I’ve been doing more research on Aliester Crowley. I was trying to look for information about him that was not written by a Christian organization (not Christian influenced). I found this website, About.com, that is well known because they give accurate information concerning thousands of topics:
http://altreligion.about.com/library/faqs/bl_crowleyfaq.htm
I will again stress that I am not a follower of Crowley. I really didn’t know much about him until you brought him up. From research, I can say that he followed many different paths. He learned alot about Paganism that existed well before his time (it predates Christianity so it obviously predates Crowley).
In fact, he joined a Coven called New Forrest Coven. However, the Pagans kicked him out because of his sexual perversions and twisting of worship. Towards the last 20 years of his life, it seems as though he studied black magic which goes against real Pagan/Wiccan teachings.
Was he a ‘devil worshipper’? Some say yes while others say no. I will say that he was never a true Pagan because evil acts are not tolerated.
IMHO, he seems like one of the nut jobs who gave real Pagans a bad name. Just like how some evil Christians give the good Christians a bad name.
Just thought I’d share this website with you.
February 23, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Kim
From your above link:
“Did Crowley author early Wiccan rituals?
Yes but it is pretty clear he never did so intentionally. Wicca founder Gerald Gardner was an initiate of the OTO under Crowley, material that material used in Gardner’s third degree Wiccan initiation ritual is lifted directly from Crowley’s “Gnostic Mass,” written for the OTO in 1913.”
Nuff said for me…..
February 23, 2008 at 11:21 pm
A Pagan/Wiccan writes
Yes I did mention that Crowley chose to follow numerous paths. He started out as a Christian, then realized it was more of a money-wanting-religion….. he then followed other religious paths.
Back then (almost 100 years ago), Pagans/Wiccans were “undetectable” due to fear of further persecution. Pagans worshipped in secret. Crowley discovered a Pagan path and became a member of a coven called New Forrest Coven. With them he learned the good, pure, un-evil teachings of a Pagan religion; however, Crowley had different intentions and his sexual perversion and “twisted ways” got him kicked out of the coven – for it was not the Pagan way.
Later on in life he followed different paths that seemed evil. Gerald Gardner, who was one of the first well-known publishers of the Wiccan/Pagan religion did learn somethings about the New Forrest Coven (the good people who kicked Crowley out due to his “evil intentions”). Gardner only sought to learn more about the Coven Crowley once belonged to.
Did Crowley turn evil? Sure sounds like he did towards the end of his life. Sexual perversion, drugs, evil entities, black magic, etc. have nothing to do with Paganism or Wicca. (Note: as mentioned above, “Wicca” is a new word that became popular in the 1950’s. “Wicca” is still Paganism).
As you should know, Christianity was derived from Wicca, Druidism and other Pagan sources and that in order to gain a religious monopoly, the Christian Church decided during the 15th century to hunt down and exterminate believers in the Old Religion, and other heretics. Most people contend that the Church created an imaginary evil religion, and argued that Wiccans were evil Witches who followed that religion, kidnapped babies, killed and ate their victims, sold their soul to Satan, etc. They claim that many were exterminated during these “burning times” which lasted until 1792 in Europe and into the 1830’s in South America and claim estimates which run as high as 10 million and as low as 3,000. An accurate number (or the truth of these claims) cannot be determined but it appears likely that between 100 and 300 thousand did suffer this fate. The Roman Catholic church preferred to burn witches; they were hung in Protestant countries. According to legend as reported by Wiccans, they went “underground”, and stayed out of sight until the middle of the 20th century.
Wicca emerged from the shadows in England in the 1950’s with the publishing of books by Gerald Gardner. It has expanded at a fast pace in North America and Europe. However it is little known or understood by the general public because almost all Wiccans keep their religious beliefs and practices guarded. Those who allow their faith to be known publicly are very heavily persecuted in North America; on a per-capita basis, they may well be victimized more often than members of any other religious group. Many assaults, arson, and economic attacks are reported yearly. There have even been shootings, one public mass stoning and one lynching in recent years! Reports circulate frequently of misinformed child protection officers seizing children from the homes of Wiccans because they feared that they would be killed or abused in some Satanic ritual. The perpetrators of this religious hatred are usually very devout, very concerned but terribly misinformed people. They believe the misinformation that has been spread about Wiccans continuously since the Middle Ages by the false religion who wanted a monopoly on religion.
It is only in Eastern Massachusetts (home of the infamous Salem Witch Trials [my home]), Southern California and in a few cities elsewhere in North America that most Wiccans feel secure while coming out of the (broom) closet. In other areas, they tend to avoid persecution by keeping their religious faith secret. Unfortunately, this policy can have negative results as people speculate that because Wiccans remain underground, they must have something to hide. This is a “no-win” situation with no obvious solution.
Did Gardner add evil practices to the Wiccan religion? Of course not! Look up real Wiccan/Pagan rituals and you will find that there are no evil entities or intentions.
February 24, 2008 at 2:01 am
NWProdigal
Dear Pagan/Wiccan,
You have the God given free will to choose what you want to believe. Just know that we, who are true Christians, believe in the whole Bible, including the story of Noah’s flood and especially the Rescue Plan of God for fallen man in the perfect substitutionary punishment of Christ for us.
If you think the Bible is baloney, then you are simply without any real hope…in this world or the next. The Bible tells those who will listen:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. (Romans 1:18-25 ESV)
I will pray that God has mercy on you and opens your eyes to believe the truth.
February 24, 2008 at 2:32 am
A Pagan/Wiccan writes
NWProdigal,
I will pray to the Lord and Lady and ask them to open your eyes and make you see that man created your religion in order to gain a religious monopoly, which is why Christianity stole many of the Pagan practices and beliefs. Those who wouldn’t pay for religion were called “witches” and were murdered in the name of your God.
I will pray that They have mercy on you and will allow you to see the truth.
Blessed be!
February 24, 2008 at 5:12 am
Kim
NW Prodigal,
What a passage that is…..I studied Romans last year in BSF
We have a loving and personal God. A God that answers prayer, fills us with the Holy Spirit as counselor, convicts us, and gives us the free gift of salvation by believing in His son Jesus Christ.
What a unique God He is, that we do not have to DO anything, because then we would only boast.
The Bible has been to so true and its predictions are coming true right now before our very eyes. It tells of a spiritual disaster of major proportion. Jesus warned that this will precede the end. Daniel also saw an end-time dictator and not peace and love. A false peace is already here in spiritual deception.
These prophetic warnings are being ignored. Instead (like in the Romans passage), men will put their faith in idols, false gods and the mythological gods and goddesses invented by man. It is no wonder their hearts will be darkened. They pray not to the God of the Bible, but to the god of the world, the one thrown down in rebellion. It is he that the rebellious will follow.
In these times, those who walk with Jesus Christ, will know of His power, love and hope. Only those who have been truly converted by their faith and live a regenerated life, will walk humbly, desiring only to serve the one and only true God.
February 24, 2008 at 7:23 am
A Pagan/Wiccan writes
The 2nd coming of Christ was supposed to be many, many years ago. I remember in 1999 a lot of Christians really believed the world was going to end in the year 2000. What a joke!
To each their own, I guess.
I’m glad intolerant people like Christians exist. For if it weren’t for their narrow-mindedness, I wouldn’t be a police officer or court magistrate because it is the Christians who I encounter mostly breaking the law. A lot of them do it in the name of “Jesus Christ”.
I think those individuals who became someone in this world and had a real education accredited by a non-Christian accrediting organization have realized the truth behind the bible.
Have you ever noticed that most bible-thumpers are either very young or old? It’s because children believe in it (until they gain an education and learn reality from fiction) cuz they know nothing else. Most of the time religion was forced upon them, thus they never really learned anything else and feel Christianity is ‘the only way’.
Old people, 59 and up, turn to the bible because (1) their kids have all grown up and moved away; (2) their starting to realize that their days are numbered, thus they need to find comfort in dying; and (3) they have a lot of free time on their hands.
I should note that the ‘older generation’ usually aren’t very educated people because they did not have the same opportunities the ‘younger generations’ have had with respect to education.
The ‘older generations’ are usually the ignorant Christians who know nothing about other religions but still feel it necessary to call everyone else a ‘devil-worshipper’. Why do you think Christians have to humiliate all others? It’s because they are told to do so by the teachings of their false religion and false ‘Son of God’.
Worship the real God for Pete’s sake! Don’t worship his false son! The real Lord loves you and would never, ever, wish for his people to kill and do evil deeds in the name of Christ! Our ancestors lived in harmony with the earth and their brothers and sisters. All this screwed up due to Christ, your God. When are you going to realize that he is the false God that commanded his people to kill those who were practicing the Old Religion. He was the one that told his followers to kill children by smashing them on rocks….. he is the one that tried to ruin all other existing Gods/Goddesses. (Have you noticed, btw, that he failed miserably?)
It is the Christian whose soul and heart is darkened with evil. You ladies can’t even speak to me without referring to a bible passage. If every bible was destroyed, would you know how to communicate and please your God, Jesus Christ?
This afternoon I responded to a 9-1-1 call for a lady who is devoted to Christ. She was having a heart attack and flat-lined twice. As I was performing CPR on her, all I could think of was: “the online Christian bloggers say Jesus will fulfill their every need and protect them from harm. So why am I performing CPR and trying to save this lady’s life if Jesus should do it?” I literally stopped for at least 15 seconds contemplating what I was thinking. Then I immediately snapped back into reality and continued the chest compressions. Thankfully, by the grace of the Lord and Lady, she came back to life.
I went home and prayed for a while. I’ve finally come to realize that your negative thoughts and energies are interfering with my beliefs, and even more surprisingly, my job. What if my thoughts today lingered on for a few more seconds? Would the lady devoted to Christ have died simply because of your negative thoughts and energies? Where was Jesus when she flat-lined? Where was her ‘Son of God’ then? Thank the real God I was there, huh?
I know you ladies probably mean well, however, in reality, your thoughts and comments are negative – they’re an energy I don’t need to focus on for purity is the dweller within me and about me.
Therefore, pursuant to the aforementioned, and in accordance with the fact that I have already told you what my point for writing was, I’m going to stop replying to your blog. Your negative energies/thoughts cannot be allowed to interfere with my job/beliefs any further.
Thank you for teaching me about your beliefs. I did enjoy learning more about other people’s thoughts and beliefs.
Take care Kim, and forever remember that there are nut jobs in every religion who will try to twist the faith. Not all Pagans/Wiccans are bad. Not all Christians are bad either.
May you always walk in the light of the Lord and be protected from harm. May the Lady you were forced to ignore forgive you and protect you from all evil.
Blessed be!
February 24, 2008 at 7:54 am
Kim
I am not surprised that there is some interference with your belief. I have been praying desperately for you.
I care about you and could feel the love that God has for you and that He wants you for His kingdom.
Please come back again.
It was nice to meet you.
kim
February 25, 2008 at 9:29 am
John
Dear Mr. Pagan/Wiccan:
I know you can’t see it. But let me tell you something. I got involved in the occult. Because of my actions God’s covering was unavailable to me. Without his protection I was free territory for bad, evil, nasty stuff. Everything collapsed. I lost my family, my house and everything. All my dreams were destroyed. Well now I am back under God’s covering but my family is gone. They were my whole world. Remember the Stevie Wonder song “Superstition”? The line goes “when you believe in things you don’t understand you’ll suffer”. I prey you don’t have to suffer like me. Maybe you did not find this site by accident. I hope you read this.
February 26, 2008 at 1:50 am
Mary
John,
I don’t know if you are the same John who is a chiropractor? but thanks for sharing this story. May the Lord of peace bring you much peace and comfort….and may he use you to waken others from deception.
February 26, 2008 at 4:12 am
Kim
John,
Your story touched me too!..
Made me think of Brian Flynn’s story..”Running against the Wind” He lost everything, his wife, car, had to file for bankruptcy. He was relying on his spirit guides to help him. Finally he came to Christ. He asked all the same questions Pagan/Wiccan did.
The glorious thing is that this life was made for us to worship Jesus. All that we may have to endure for Him here on earth, will be greatly rewarded. You are being trained and taught for His service. Take heart…He is coming soon.
February 26, 2008 at 10:29 am
John
Hello friends . Yes Mary it is John. Hello Kim. Unfortunately I know the dark spirit world well. I was involved in the occult thinking it was OK because I never did anything I thought was really bad like killing anything or directly worshiping the devil. I was under the misconception that apparently “benign” practices were OK. Well I got lead down the road of mind altering shamanic type plants that are used in sorcery by tribal people for divination and spiritual communion. Everything hit the fan when I became inhabited by a demonic spirit. This spirit actually convinced me that I was a reincarnated Tibetan Lama. I was fully possessed and actually spoke in some strange but apparently organized language. Around the same time all kids of other terrible things happened. All God’s blessings in my life simply disolved. Those things that were my most cherished were removed. God had set a perfect table for me. Wonderful christian wife, a disabled child whom I loved and a wonderful home and business. All in a very exotic place. All gone. You see for me the dangers of violating God’s directions are very real for me. Not an intangible. I am not a “delusional” person. These spirits are REAL. I never thought in a million years that it could happen to me. In fact I still can’t believe it. It just does not seem real. Even with repentence and restoration of God’s covering memories are there. Sometimes I dream I am back with my family and everything is fine. I wake up and face the truth that everything is gone. Not fun. I strongly warn not to mess with God’s plan. There are clear instructions on how not to. The stakes are simply too high both on this earth and in eternity. My eternity is just fine but my world was shattered. I was delt with severely and I am convinced it is because I KNEW BETTER. I also believe that because I am who I am I was delt with on Earth and hence spared eternal damnation. Along the same lines I think many like our Wiccan/Pagan friend don’t know anybetter. They may prosper on Earth but suffer eternal pain. I am not saying that this is absolutely true. But I cannot help but think it may be. In any case, the stakes are way too high to mess around.
February 26, 2008 at 10:30 am
Kim
John,
Thank you for sharing your experience into the demonic world. People just don’t know what they are truly dealing with, and want to believe the deception put forth in front of them.
Praise God that you were dealt with here on earth instead of on an eternal basis. What you have shared will save some souls from damnation.
When you say the spirits are real…this is so very true. Hopefully people will realize that the unknown spirit world they dabble into is not holy but evil. This is why the Bible FORBIDS this……and yes you are right, it gives very clear instruction, especially in Deuteromony. Divination is detestable in God’s sight.
The deception is exploding. Eastern spirituality, meditation, Goddess worship. All of it is demonic. The theosophists, esp. Helena Blavatsky, planned to purposely introduce heresy into the churches. Of course the churches are already lukewarm and in apostasy, so many are ripe for the picking.
The spirit who entered or led you, really told you an enticing lie. Many channelers are also told that they are hearing from a Tibetan, most famous is Alice Bailey’s Master D.K. or Djwal Khul. D. K. calls himself an Ascended Master, but truly he is demonic.
I will pray for healing of your shattered world. I rejoice in your freedom in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I am interested in how you got involved in the occult world.
February 26, 2008 at 10:31 am
Kim
I want to add something that happened last night. I dreamt that i was approached from behind and a cold hand grasped the back of my neck. I awoke immediately and slipped out of bed onto my knees. The Lord let me sense that someone was trying to send a demonic force my way. A friend had just sent me some Bible verses to help me deal with demonic forces.
Act 13:10 and said, “You who are full of all deceit and all wrongdoing, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness — will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?
I prayed for protection from the Holy Spirit. I was instantly calm and the Lord reassured me with “DO NOT FEAR”.
I wanted to get up for a few minutes but i couldn’t rise i was so filled with the Holy Spirit.
The Lord protects his sheep. As a shepherd He leads and guides us. His Holy word in the Bible is all truth and eternally relevant to today.
1 John 4: 4 “You dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater that the one who is in the world.”
Of course, the one who is in the world is Satan. The ruler of the fallen world.
February 26, 2008 at 12:56 pm
John
“I am interested in how you got involved in the occult world.”
1. Well Kim I am not so sure I can deceiper all of the reasons. I have some ideas though and they are probably right. When I was very young my grandmother and I used to play with a Ouji board. She also had numerous books on contacting the dead.
2. When I was around 14 I became involve in drugs like LSD and mescaline. Became addicted to marijuana.
3. Had a skewed spiritual/moral compass believing things like murder and adultery and physical abuse were “high crimes” and dabbling in divinition, drug use, alcoholism were “low crimes”. Played with divination and even worse I actually used occult knowledge to cause harm to people. Like using “astral projection” to enter them and cause mental and physical distress.
4. Was given much grace by God. Was basically allowed to get away with many what I perceived as small transgressions. I assumed I was basically invincible as long as I did not commit adultery, physically abuse, murder ect.. A major error was that I USED MY TOUNGUE TO HARM. When provoked I spoke words that caused deep harm. Despite the fact that I was confronted by someone who was much “older” than I in spiritual knowledge. I also spoke against myself.
5. I was under the delusion that because I did many good things like help the suffering and treat people for free if they had no money that I was in some way running a “spiritual checkbook” that was in some way balanced.
So I basically broke a lot of rules. It left me open to attack. I disrobed myself of my armor and was easy prey. I must say that after a certain amount of time my actions were not willful. I was controlled.
Lastly let me give you an example of how things work from the inside. Many years ago I was in a drug induced “visionary” state. It was the most powerful and deep drug induced “visionary” state I had ever been in. In this state I was told many things that would happen in my life. In the vision I was told that I would live by the water and have a child. The child would be born “broken” (disabled). Well years later we lived on the water and my child was born in our cabin. When he was born he did not respond normally. I quickly proclaimed to the mid wife that he had cerebral palsy. I actually was stupid enough to allow such a vision in the first place but then I compounded the error by SPEAKING WORDS that confirmed it. Well my son ended up with “cerebral palsy”. A few days before the birth we had purchased a picture of an owl and hung it in our bedroom, where our son was born. After all this happened my wife discerned that the picture was not in line with God and somehow connected to our tradgedy and took it to a dumpster and threw it away.
Anyway I have rambled enough. And it is hard to articulate spiritual things. Hopefully it makes some sense..
February 26, 2008 at 3:03 pm
elise2
John –
I am so, so very sorry this happened to you. The same thing kind of happened to me – you can read my article on Kim’s site here from Elise – (having trouble with my ID on the site.) I will say prayers for you. Be strong and pray for strength, courage and peace. I lost a lot too – my rented home, my job, and a lot of trust from my teenage daughter. Now, eight months later, she has surely seen the change in me since this tragedy brought me back to Jesus though she is still wary. She is in every prayer. There are verses in Ephesians that are very helpful – I’ve seen them mentioned by Kim somehwhere. Kim? These would be for moral strength for protection. And don’t forget Psalm 23. I hope you have not been bothered by more spirits but they did come back to me to harrass me when I decided to tell my story. On http://www.christian-faith.com there is a very good prayer for deliverance called just that. Put all your faith, love and mind into Jesus and he will help you. You will be pruned on what is acceptable living just like I was and I’m happier now than I ever have been living in His light. I know you have lost a lot but I hope you have found joy again with Him. Let us know how you are doing now and then, will you? May God bless you.
February 26, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Kim
Ephesians…i love Ephesians..but i am not sure which verses you mean.
maybe
Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Or spiritual armor
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
February 26, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Mary
John,
I don’t know what to say. I am really sorry for arguing with you about stupid stuff. I have alot of immaturity in me which is pretty painful to see in myself.
I just want to add that I backslid for about 5 years even though the Lord had delivered me from much spiritual oppression. After all He had done for me I still rebelled- not intentionally at first. Little by little- that’s the way it always is. Anyway, my nephew at the tender age of 17months was run over by a car and his father(my brother) died 11 months later in a scuba diving accident at the age of 36. I always thought perhaps the Lord was punishing me…I don’t know. I just know that I had an opportunity to lead him to the Lord and I choked.
You will be in all of our prayers. Your story cuts right to the heart. Elise I havent read your story but I will. And Kim, I will be on my knees tonight for you . I know your ministry is stirring up the dust so to speak. I identify with you NWProdigal-I am feeling overwhelmed with all the falseness that is going on in churches. My one relative on my husband’s side is in a church that I am convinced is teaching doctrines of demons and she wants us to come to church with her on Easter. It is really touchy. I have to be careful in how I handle things. It is sad. people just don’t have good discernment these days.
John, I was wondering how you came out of the occult and came to the Lord. And do you ever hear from your wife and son anymore? I know it’s painful…and maybe too personalbut I just would like to pray more effectively for you.
February 26, 2008 at 5:48 pm
NWProdigal
Satan is very upset with all of us lately. We may feel like we make no difference in the world, but we must or the attacks on our faith wouldn’t come. My wife and I are currently under attack by forces desiring to divide us. But, I know that “greater is He that is in (us), than he that is in the world”.
My nights have been sleepless lately, with thoughts like “Emergent, contemplative, ecumenical and dysfunctional people are everywhere, in every church. You don’t know what the truth is anymore, do you?” To that I say, I believe what God’s Word says and that will always, God willing, be my standard. Think how alone Noah must’ve felt, building an ark and everyone thinking he must be crazy. But, he believed God and was saved, with his family. Nigh time is coming folks, when no one can work. Keep storing up oil for your inner lamps.
I feel sorry for APW, but he is blind and it seems willingly. God have mercy on him. His object lesson with the lady who flat-lined missed the point. We know we are not of this world, we’re just passin’ through. A true believer in Christ looks forward to escaping this world of sin and grief because we know our hope is in the One True God and our Lord Jesus the Christ!
February 26, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Kim
“My nights have been sleepless lately, with thoughts like “Emergent, contemplative, ecumenical and dysfunctional people are everywhere, in every church.”
Just like many of us you are carrying a burden for the church.
I thought APW’s last comment very strange. Boastful and condescending. And we are to blame….
“May the Lady you were forced to ignore” is a strange thing to say. Most of us here have come back to the Lord after being backslidden. That is my case anyway. And we have made a decision for Christ based on His revelation to us.
February 27, 2008 at 9:02 am
Kim
Mary, your prayers are greatly appreciated…I too when through this list last night.
As time goes on the the opposition will only increase. It seems that we all have been deeply effected in some way and know that it is Jesus Christ who listens to our pleas and turns us back onto the path He has planned for us.
May 9, 2008 at 9:45 am
AWaytoTruth
God knows each and every one’s heart. If you have invited something in because of your own unholy practices, however mild they may have appeared to you, then you should turn to God and welcome Christ into your life and pray in order to rebuke it. Find another person who accepts God to pray with you if you can. That’s my sage advice to anyone who reads this and who is in dire need. Evil spirits exist — make no mistake, and they predate on the vulnerable, including Wiccans — just because you deny something exists doesn’t mean that it isn’t real. Evil is alive and well. And if you didn’t like negative energy in your own set of beliefs, you sure as heck won’t like an evil invading you and dogging you while you’re here on earth. I am saying this out of love, not condemnation.
May 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm
AWaytoTruth
To:A Pagan/Wiccan Writes– I know you have left, but should you come back for some reason and take a peek:
You seem to know a lot about Christians though you aren’t one yourself, we’re either really young or old when we come to believe? lol Many people come to Christ when they are nearing their 40’s, which I don’t consider old. And Judaism grew out of a Babylonian belief, that is true, but that doesn’t necessarily make worshipping a God of antiquity wrong, now does it. It certainly doesn’t negate Christ showing up over two thousand years ago to die on the cross for us. And yes, Christ is the son of God — he came to earth in the form of a God-man to pay our debt of sin — it’s His blood what has washed us clean. He also has shown us that we can have life and live it more abundantly and have life everlasting after we pass a way from here. You are in a profession with a higher risk of experiencing a premature death. Yes, the path we have to walk as Christians is narrow — but we know if we don’t live as we should, we will have to answer for it. If you accept Christ, then brother, the Kingdom of Heaven will be your’s, otherwise expect to end up being separated from God when you pass. I don’t believe in hellfire as described in the bible, but I do believe folks will end up in a cold, grey place and not Heaven, and if they had loved ones who beiieved in Christ, then you will be separated from them as well, which is sooo sad. Christ came from heaven to earth to show us the way. He has existed since the beginning of time along with Father God and the Holy Spirit.
I pray some day you come to know Christ as your savior, but I am not going to hold my breath. I would say you were raised in a home devoid of any thing having to do with Christianity, and probably only heard constant bashing of Christians. Go ahead and bash us, but know that God won’t take being bashed lightly Himself. Anyway, it’s not my job to convert your butt anyway. And I don’t believe that most ‘Christians’ commit crimes — if they are doing that, then they are not True Christians, for they are not following Christ. They are Christians in name only. I believe your ignorance is only outdistanced by your niavety. Oh, and if you have one, make sure you’re not wearing your pentagram the wrong way –you might get more than you bargained for, love, for there is true evil out there that can manifest itself within you; your own gun won’t deter it. Believe me when I say I am right on this one.
June 26, 2008 at 11:28 am
TimeTorrent
…………………..why are you people so ignorent, except that pegan guy, hes got a good handle on things……….
I got one really good question for you sub humans
Do onto others as they have done onto you.
If i’m reading this right, if a christian comes and beats me up for worshipping another god/goddess does this mean I can beat him up becouse he worships a different god then my own? If he kills my wife can I kill his wife, or if he burns my house down can I burn his house down?
Really I would like to know.
I want you to read this simple line!
And it harms none, do what ye will.
and tell me the difference between these two things, really what sounds more nice and kindly.
oh by the way I call you ignorent and sub human becouse you would call me a satanist and a sinner 😦
You have no concept of tolerence, freedom to religion and the rights of others if you do these things and thusly you are ignorent of your own being and of others, this also makes you sub human as you have no respect for others and thier beliefs.
My Personal Motto
Modern times my ass, age of awakining my ass, freedom for all my ass,
love for all my ass. Humans will do anything to rule over other humans, we are not worthy of the food we eat or the air we breath. We are destruction, we are cancer and we will die by are own hands, may all the next race find is are bashed in skulls, a sign of our own bloody brutality.
June 26, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Kim
You are not reading this verse right. Here are two versions of that verse one from the King James Version and one from the New International Version.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. KJV
Matthew 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. NIV
The saying you spoke of is different from the Bible. You are saying what someone has done to you, you can do the same back to them. This is not the biblical verse.
The Bible says to treat others as you wish to be treated.
July 22, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Melanie Stephan
First I would like to say that there is a God. Next, the Roman Catholic Church is really a newly revised Pagan religion. Yes, Pagan. Example Blood Sacrifice is a Pagan ritual. Whether it is an animal or a human. The church says that Jesus was sacrificed for you. They say Jesus died for your sins. Just like a lamb he was served up to God in sacrifice. That really screams Pagan to me. Human sacrifce to appease a God? God is a above that. It is an insult to God that he would forgive mankind for the sins of Adam, By having his only Son die. By torture. That is human sacrifice. That is a Roman Pagan belief. Jesus didn’t die for you, he died because the Romans were cruel.
This is only one small example where Mythology and Pagan rituals are mixed up in Christian beliefs. One more, statues of Mary where she is portrayed as the Goddess of Virginity just like Venus is the Goddess of Beauty. I recently learned that people actually pray to her like she is a God. Venus was replaced by Mary. People prayed to Venus too.
How do I know this. God talked to me. He had a number of issues and this is one of them.
July 22, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Melanie Stephan
Gods big issue is the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. The meaning is in this message from God:
In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death.</B.
What does this mean. It means that Birth is Last and Last is Birth. God also gives an example to help you understand this better. Example: Mike Douglas died on his Birthday. Note that Mike Douglas and Michael Douglas are two different people. God sent this message in the Spring of 2006. Melanie Stephan
July 22, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Melanie Stephan
In the Summer of 2007, God had this message for you.
We each die in succession, then we are born on the same day.
July 22, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Melanie Stephan
Now when God first started talking to me I wondered why he was talking to me. I didn’t read the bible. I wasn’t familiar with everything that is written in it. Yea, I knew about Mary, Joseph and Jesus. I had very little if any interest in religion. My first thought was that God should pick someone that at least goes to Church. The Pope would be a better choice. Why me? Why poor me? After over two years of God unloading one me and doing research on religion, I now understand why he picked me. The bible is the word of God and the word of Man, all mixed together. Someone that is totally entrenched in the writings of the bible wouldn’t be able to see that. They have become hard wired, their thinking is fixed. Example, God told me that good Atheists go to Heaven. Now most Christians will tell you if you don’t believe in Jesus your going to Hell. That is just sugerstitious. Logically it makes sense to me that by making a mental note in your head as to whether you believe or don’t believe should not be the criteria as the where you spend eternity. You don’t have to believe in Jesus to go to Heaven. Now, how many people claim that the well known Atheist, Richard Dawkins is going to Heaven? How do I know he is going to Heaven? God told me he is. God is fond of Richard.
That’s right I got it directly from the source, God himself.
July 22, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Kim
Melanie,
There are things we agree on. There is a God and the Roman Catholic Church is pagan.
Pagan means not Christian or Jewish, or a follower of the greek/roman gods.
So the death of Jesus Christ is not pagan.
We are sinners. We steal. We lie. We covet. etc. Jesus took our sins upon himself and died so that the wrath of God would be appeased.
God is fair, just, holy. How can a God with these attributes, accept man in his sinful state? He cannot. So Jesus Christ took your sin and my sin and paid the price.
The Bible says something different than what you say, that we each die in succession. So the God of the Bible is different from what/who you are calling God.
Hebrews 9:27 says “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, ”
Jesus died for you and wants you to come to Him and believe in what He did for you. This is true freedom.
We are not to pray to Mary. Jesus Christ came to earth as man, died and opened the way for us to be forgiven. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the way to God.
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Jesus is the only way. If you were “told” different, you are not hearing from the true and living God from the Holy Bible.
Please consider these things. God loves you.
July 22, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Kim
Melanie,
You posted while i was writing.
I am curious. How do you know you are hearing from God?
Shamans conjure up spirits, mediums think they contact the dead and speak with them. Anyone who meditates can contact a spirit guide. The insane hear voices. So do people on drugs.
So how do you know you are actually hearing from “God” or a fallen spirit?
November 7, 2008 at 8:26 am
Melanie Steffen
Kim,
That is a good question. “How do you know you are actually hearing from God and not a fallen spirit.” God first started talking to me in a series of vivid dreams. They were all good dreams. All of the dreams were symbolic. They all had to do with things that God would say. Now it also crossed by mind that it could be a fallen spirit too. He was out to deceive me. I decided that was not true. Because Satan does not know our thoughts. If he doesn’t know our thoughts, he can’t get into out dreams. Only God knows what we think. God got right into my dreams.
Then the dreams were not about anything evil, like go make war against others. The dreams were about; first (1) Judgment in our Fathers house before being born in Heaven. In the dream I got good judgment. Second(2) this dream was about life. I was eager to go out into the world to see and learn. Third(3) This dream is about resurrection and death. In this dream I am at the resurrection and death of Jesus. I was in Rome. The resurrection part of the dream was good. I saw a beautiful man standing in front of me. However, death is a nightmare. God comes for us before we die.
November 7, 2008 at 8:38 am
Melanie Steffen
It says somewhere in the bible that a false prophet would say things that are in conflict with what is written in the bible. I really hate to say this, but a number of things that God told me do not agree with what is written in the New Testament. However, God does not disagree with anything that I know of that is written in the Old Testament. This leads me to think that the Romans inserted a few things of their own into the Bible.
Now I talked to a Rabbi, and asked him why they don’t believe in Jesus. He said that the Jesus story is the exact same story of Zeus. Now I never knew that until about a year ago. Yet God does not say that Christ was not here. God gives a different story of the life of Christ than the Romans do.
November 7, 2008 at 8:56 am
Melanie Stephen
This is one small piece of proof that God talked to me:
Like I said earlier, the Holy Spirit talked to me, besides his message about First is Last and Last is First, he had something to say about “Who Killed JFK”. Christ tells me that the man who shot JFK is a policeman. He also tells me the name of the shooter, but it is in a jumbled word. The word is “Fritters”. I see the name F. Ritter right off so I think that is the name of the killer. Now God has lots of other messages for me to figure out, so I put “who Killed JFK” on the back burner for over a year. A year or more later , just recently, I have more time to look for F. Ritter. I can’t find a policeman with that name who lived in Dallas, Texas in 1963. So I am searching for information about who killed JFK and there is a picture of a policeman by the name of J D Tippit. Now Tippit kind of looks like Ritter. Now I unjumble the letters of Ritter to get TIRRET. Now TIRRET looks more like TIPPIT. Now I make the R’s stand at attention, I get TIPPET. One problem is that the I and the E are not the same. So I do some research on the family name TIPPIT. Turns out that in the late 1800’s JD Tippit’s grandfather changed their name from Tippett to Tippit. So the next step I change the E to I. So Tippet is now Tippit.
Now I have FS Tippit and JD Tippit. The first two initials are not the same. Next I go to Wikipedia there I find; “Some thought that J D stood for “Jefferson Davis” however JD does not stand for anything”. That means his name is just J D. So the initials F S , do not stand for anything. I just have two initials that do not stand for anything. Are you following me?
Next what does “FRITTERS” mean. If your following my thinking here, God is going to tell you what happened to JD Tippit after he was shot. Fritters are a dough that is deep fried. Bread also means body, like in the last super Christ takes the bread and says this is my body. Look in the dictionary, PIT means HELL. TIP means money paid, gratuity. There are other meanings to. These meanings tell a story.
JD Tippits body (dough) is placed in the deep fryer (lake of fire). Now I think this clue (Fritters) was ingenius. After all God came up with it. I think he does have a sense of humor too. Kids now have a new game to play. They can play God. Pilsbury dough boy fry’s in the lake of fire. You get HELL! fry baby fry!
If you think this is just crazy. Remember I am just the messenger. Jesus is the one that had to talk about JFK. So he had a reason for doing that. Only God knows who the killer is. This is proof that Christ talked to me and that is the reason he told me “Who killed JFK”. It is proof. I had forgotten about the case years ago. This is a cold case now, it been 45 years since the shooting.
I also read the part about giving false prophesy. God says false prophets go to Hell or something like that. I only repeat what God told me. Now what I wrote above is from God. He told me who killed JFK in 2006. The above is not a lie or a joke and I am going to HEAVEN without fear.
Before I forget. Gods messeges usually have more than one meaning. F S could also stand for “Fence Shooter”.
Who are the co-conspirators? Turns out that there are two policemen named Tippit, and one Tippett working in the Dallas police Department that same year(1963). Back to the clue word Fritters. That is plural, you know about plural. We have two fritters. The co-conspirators name is Gayle M. Tippit.
Now the Dallas Police Departtment obviously covered up and framed Oswald. He was the Patsy. They did it cause it is very possible that one of the other police officers rushing to the scene saw Tippet fleeing the scene carrying a rifle. They covered it up because of the embarrassment of one of their own was the man that killed JFK? And the Warren commission must have also figured that out so they stuck with the Dallas Dept. story saying that it was Oswald. It could have been a National embarrassment. Now if you look at the evidence like I did. It is easy to see that the DAllas Police Dept tampered with the evidence over and over again. And they did a very bad job of it too.
Now this is my opinion, not Gods. I think God is behind the creation of the Internet. I could never have been able to figure out a lot of his messages without the use of the Internet. People on the Net have been a big help to me. God talks to other people too, they just don’t know it. God let me know it was him.
Now I just made solving the case of “Who shot JFK?”, look easy. I also gave you proof here. Did you see it? You ask where’s the proof. The proof is that it is impossible for anyone to repeat what I just did above. I mean try it. And I do that over and over again in all of God’s messages.
See if you can make up a word that is a fried food (like fritters). Unjumble the letters to reveal the name of the killer (Tippit). Then divide the word Tippit into words that describe what happened. Tip- means that JD Tippit was paid for the job and the presidency was over turned. Pit – means that he went to Hell for what he did. Pit means the worst Hell.
See if you can prove me wrong. Show me how easy it is to make up a name like “Fritters” that solves the crime. This clue is ingenious. God came up with the name “FRITTERS”. God is a genius, not me. I am only the messenger.
Then the two remaining letters F. S. stands for Fence Shooter. It’s INGENIUS!
Then on top of that it just so happens that there are two Tippit’s working in the Dallas Police Department in 1963. Fritters (plural) means we have more than one Fritter going in the deep fryer . The other shooter is Gayle M. Tippit. He goes to Hell too. Now I did some research on Gayle M Tippit. There is very little information on him unlike JD Tippit. In my search I found two Gayle Tippit’s still in Dallas. One died in 1967 and the other is married and still lives in Texas. So the other conspirator could still be alive and has managed to avoid detection.
This is where it gets intesting. Does Gayle M. Tippit come forward and ask God to forgive him? I think he also has to ask the American people to forgive him for his part in the murder of the president or he gets the worst Hell just like JD did. God told me that waiting until the 11th hour is too late. God is forgiving, but you can’t wait until your on your death bed to ask to be forgiven.
Now if Gayle M. Tippit wants to save himself from the deep fryer. (This could be a long fry, not a quick dip.) He has to come forward and ask to be forgiven. He still gets death or Hell but it won’t be the worst Hell. Just like the worst death is being crucified.
Gods messenger, Melanie Stephan
November 7, 2008 at 9:25 am
Kim
Hi Melanie,
I have studied and listened to many talk of their dreams and I too have had my own dreams and wondered they were from God. There are many instances in the Bible when God used a dream for revelation or direction, but in reality the instances are few.
I had a series dreams and asked God if they were from him. The next night i had a dream about someone that was easily proven false. I had my answer. I believe that God can and will send a dream but I rely on the Word of God. Admission of being deceived is difficult but you have to do it or you will never find the truth. I always pray for truth.
Satan is not all-knowing but he and his demons have been deceiving and tempting mankind since the fall. They watch us and know our weaknesses and know pretty much what we are thinking and use it against us. To turn us away from God. That is why we are submit ourselves to God and resist the devil. James 4
I hate to tell you this but….if what you are hearing from God does not square with scripture then you are listening to a demon. This is a sure sign of deception. To make matters worse, Satan knows scripture and blends biblical truths with lies. (this is why we are to read and study the entire Bible and use it as an entire counsel) Lies from Satan take you AWAY from scripture and makes you doubt them. The Bible is a whole book and the New Testament constantly quotes the Old Testament.
Zeus is a false god from a false belief system created by Satan to deceive people. Why put any stock in this?
A person who follows God, knows that Jesus Christ is His Son, and that He came to earth so that we have salvation by His blood. Following Jesus in faith we receive the Holy Spirit to guide us. The Holy Spirit convicts us of our sin, makes us desire to live a holy life, and creates a desire, a thirst for the Bible.
I speak from experience. At one time I thought i was hearing from God and was “special”. But I discovered i was only serving myself and that I had much spiritual pride. I was listening to the enemy. I had to then go to those that i had given a “word” to, and tell them that what had happened and asked for forgiveness.
November 7, 2008 at 9:31 am
Kim
This dream…..this message…about JFK, I have read other scenarios that make more sense….but this is what i am wondering…
What has this to do with the Lord Jesus Christ? All this time you have put into this…is it helping you with sanctification, spreading the Gospel, causing to you search scripture, pray???? If not you are being pulled away from the things of God.
November 7, 2008 at 9:52 am
Kim
To all: I want to add that I do not post “prophetic” prophecies or messages, as i place no stock in these ministries, and will be eventually deleted.
November 7, 2008 at 10:06 am
cheryl U.
Melanie,
If anyone truly repents of what they have done and comes to God asking for forgiveness, believing that Jesus died to pay the price for those sins, and receiving Him as their Lord and Savior, they do no go to hell. No sin is beyond Jesus forgiveness and redemption.
Also, according to the Bible, hell is always eternal, never a “quick dip”.
November 8, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Melanie Stephan
Kim,
If you read the New Testament you will find that it is the exact same story of Zeus. Now God himself contradicts the NT. He does not contradict the Old Testament. You have been deceived by the Romans. Look at the name Jesus, I looked up the origin of his name today. It comes from the word JeZeus. Now you can google the Name Je Zeus and find the same information it did. In the 1611 King James Version it is spelled Iesus. The Messiah’s name in Hebrew is Yeshua. The Jews call him Yeshua. The Romans changed his name to a name more familiar to their Pagan God.
What is written in the New Testament is a newly revised Pagan religion. If you believe what is written in the NT, your a Pagan. Now God is real. He will back me up on that. I didn’t have just a few dreams. God has been here for almost 3 years now.
I think it is time he moved in with you for awhile. Living with your Father is not that much fun. Some one else needs to listen to him for awhile besides me.
November 8, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Melanie Stephan
Cherly,
Jesus died on the cross for our sins is Human Sacrifice. Human Sacrifce was a Pagan practice. Not only did the Romans sacrifce Humans so did the people at stonehenge. He died for you is a pagan concept. This was practiced to appease a God, in return the crops would grow tall and the rain would fall. In England there would leave a man in the foundation of the bridge, in return the bridge would remain standing.
Again you have been deceived by Roman lies. God is telling you the truth. Believe in God. Read the Old Testament. There you will find the word of God.
November 8, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Kim
Ἰησοῦς Here is the name of Jesus in the Hebrew language.
Jesus = “Jehovah is salvation”
The New Testament is well-documented manuscript. Look at this site.
http://www.carm.org/questions/trustbible.htm
“Living with your Father is not that much fun” ???
A relationship with Jesus Christ is the most rewarding, life-giving, peaceful, encouraging, and convicting relationship in the world. Jesus is part of the trinity which is well-laid out in the OT. Is Christianity easy…no it isn’t. In fact Christians are to expect opposition and persecution.
from:http://www.biblicalresources.info/pages/ot1/trinityot.html
In the Old Testament the essential components for the doctrine of the Trinity were all laid down. What may have been enigma to the Jews of the Old Testament was revealed in full splendor in the New Testament! In the providence of God working through church history. It was only a matter of time before believers began to systematize and articulate these passages into meaningful theological statements. How wonderful it is to trace the development of the doctrine of the Trinity, from the subtle, germinal forms in the OT to the full blossom of explicit NT truth. As we reflect on the fact of the Incarnation of the Lord Jesus Christ, may we also reflect upon the marvel, mystery, and wonder of the One we worship.
How does one listen to God. Through His Word the Holy Bible.
If you do not want to believe that Jesus is Lord, then you will surely believe what the world tells you.
Exodus is a great example of God exposing the false gods of the Egyptians in the plagues in the OT. The false gods could not stop the darkness, frog, boils, blood, locusts. etc. Zeus is also a false god of the Greeks.
Here are some facts about Zeus from http://www.pantheon.org/articles/z/zeus.html
To compare Jesus Christ to Zeus sickens me.
November 8, 2008 at 5:52 pm
cheryl U.
Kim, please check your e-mail. There is some info there for you. Thanks.
November 8, 2008 at 6:00 pm
cheryl U.
Melanie,
There is quite a difference between the human sacrifices that you spoke of and what Jesus did. The Bible makes it very clear that Jesus main purpose in coming to earth was to GIVE HIMSELF as a sacrifice. He wasn’t an unwilling sacrifice that had no choice in the matter. Jesus, who was God, came willingly to be a sacrifice. All pagan human sacrifices are just a copy of the real thing that Jesus did and all of the sacrifices of animals that God had the people do in the Old Testament were types of what Jesus came to do.
November 8, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Kim
Thank you Cheryl for your comment and clarification of what Jesus did for us.
November 9, 2008 at 7:59 am
Melanie Stephan
Kim,
Keep in mind God talked to me and no one else. I am his messenger. Now God holds up Daniel. He first takes me to Daniel so that I can understand the dreams. The dreams are in symbols so I have to interpret them like daniel does. This takes time.
Daniel talks about the end times. God also tells me about the end times in the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. Now before birth in Heaven comes Judgment. Judgment Day is coming. God does not tell me when this day will come. It could be next week or 1000 years from now?
READ
Daniel 12:10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined, And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.
What does this mean? In the end times Daniel says people will be clean and refined. He says the wicked ones will not understand. Then he says the one having insight will have understanding.
Again God does not contradict the Old Testament.
November 9, 2008 at 8:15 am
Melanie Stephan
It also sickens me that the name Jesus comes from greek mythology.
Je – could come from Jehovah. But in the 1611 King James Version Jesus is spelled Iesus. Go look it up. Now the Romans were still tinkering with the bible. The common man did not have a bible, only the church did. They did this so they could continue tinkering with it. The name Iesus is changed to Jesus. So the Je- did not come from Jehoval. Next is the SUS. Sus is another word for Zeus. The Romans put Je and sus togeter. He is the son of God. There God is Zeus. Zeus has sex with a human and has a child just like the christ story in the NT. Tell me that is not similar.
Jesus is not translated from the word Yeshua. The only word in the Hebrew language that comes close the SUS is the word SOS. In Hebrew SOS means Horse. So it is not a tranlation.
So, Kim you are wrong on where the origin of the word Jesus comes from. You have been deceived like so many have. The only religion on Earth that has not been deceived is the Jewish religion.
Daniel also writes about those that have been deceived. Those that have been deceived is so great that a foot can not crush it out.
November 9, 2008 at 8:27 am
Melanie
Clearly you don’t want to hear the truth. That is why you have put a block on this site. You don’t want to hear what the HOly Spirit had to say recently. Now God gave me proof to share with you so that you would know that the messages are from him. I have lots more proof that you don’t care to hear about. So you have blocked me from blogging on your site.
You know the truth don’t you?. You can’t possibly be wrong on anything. I am being is sarcastic here. Now when God first started talking to me he told me I was wrong about a lot of things. I didn’t like it but I had to listen. Like I said he spent over two years with me. So if you don’t like being told you are wrong your not going to like having a relationship with Christ. He is going to tell you the same thing I did. In Heaven I am going to tell you “I told you so”.
November 9, 2008 at 8:38 am
Melanie
Cherly,
Why would Jesus have to die for us?
Why would God need a blood sacrifice?
Why would God have the Romans murder his Son?
How does the sin of murder erase another sin?
Where is the logic in this?
Adam eats and apple so Christ has to die.
If Adam eats an apple, why is another punished for his sin.
God says we all answer for our own sins and not the sins of others.
There is no logic in what you believe is true.
Human Sacrifice is a Pagan practice.
The Roman Catholic Church is a newly revised Pagan Religion and nothing more. Now I couldn’t see that either until God brought that to my attention. I used to believe like you do, until God showed me the light.
Like Daniel says, If you can’t see that, you lack wisdom.
November 9, 2008 at 9:07 am
cheryl U.
Melanie,
Here is a passage from the Old Testament that clearly says why God’s Son had to die for us:
Isaiah 53
Isa 53:1 Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
Isa 53:2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no {stately} form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
Isa 53:3 He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Isa 53:4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being {fell} upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
Isa 53:7 He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth.
Isa 53:8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke {was due?}
Isa 53:9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
Isa 53:10 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting {Him} to grief; If He would render Himself {as} a guilt offering, He will see {His} offspring, He will prolong {His} days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
Isa 53:11 As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see {it and} be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors.
And here is one from the New Testament:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
November 9, 2008 at 11:42 am
Kim
Melanie,
I will also try to answer your questions…
Jesus died on the cross for you and me. He took our sins upon Himself taking God’s full wrath. The curse against us was taken by Jesus because of God’s love for us. God’s wrath has to be satisfied. We sin against God. I am a sinner and you are sinner.
In Genesis we have the first example of shed blood by the killing of the animals to clothe Adam and Eve’s nakedness. Abraham is given a ram to slaughter instead of his son Isaac. A sign. Then in the Exodus, those who slaughter the lamb and put blood on the doorposts in faith, save their firstborn. One lamb for one family. Then later God gives instructions for the Day of Atonement, and one animal then stands for one nation. Then John the Baptist pointed to Jesus saying.,”Look the Lamb of God, who takes the away the sin of the world.” One lamb for the entire world.
What an awesome God we have that He would do something that we totally undeserve. The Romans did not murder Jesus, we did, and He had to die because of our sin and it was foreshadowed all the way through the Old Testament.
February 18, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Kristin
I just had a question –
I understand that you believe in the Bible and the Trinity, which I understand and respect, as I was was raised to believe in them, as well.
I only wonder if we’re focusing on the right things – God is loving and cares for us like a father, so as long as someone is doing right by the world and helping others, why should it matter who they think they worship? It is my opinion that all of the Gods/Goddesses worshiped in other religions are merely facades put on by the one true God to reach a greater amount of people and stir them to a greater amount of good. God is wise, and we should put our faith in him that he will punish the true sinners – it’s unlikely that any amount of arguing will bring them to the light, so we should instead let God judge them and focus instead on doing all the good we can toward our fellow humans.
February 18, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Kristin
I would liek to add that, although I believe that the Bible is the word of God, I also understand that it has been in the hands of humans for centuries, and has thus been manipulated by them a bit for their own purposes. For instance, the phrase “Thou shalt not suffer any witch…” was originally “Thou shalt not suffer any poisoner…” In addition, each edition of the Bible is different, and so how accurate can it be to the word of God?
February 18, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Kim
Hi Kristin,
It sounds like you have a bible-based background. God is loving but He has many other attributes. When Jesus returns He is coming back in judgment and wrath. God is love but four times in John 14 Jesus says that if we love Him we will obey His commandments. John 14:6 says “no one come to the Father except through me.” So Jesus is saying that He is the only way to salvation. Deut. 4:35 says “…there is no other.” Psalm 96:5 says “For all Gods of the nations are worthless idols.”
So these worthless gods and idols will not stir people to the true living God in the Bible.
There are those who like to discredit the Bible….but the book of Isaiah was found with the Dead Sea Scrolls and the text was verified. Also there is fascinating research about the Bible here
http://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
Yes, there are some different versions some better than others. But the theology is intact in the best ones.
People have to hear the truth of how one is saved from their sin. And we all are sinners. Once one hears the gospel, it is the Holy Spirit that does the leading, the convicting. All we are to do is express truths of God’s word.
But being good, which we are not, because Isaiah said our righteous acts are like filthy rags, will not save anyone or ourselves.
Putting faith and believing in the Lord Jesus Christ is the only way.
November 6, 2015 at 6:25 pm
CL
A long time ago (above) ….. John said, ” In the vision I was told that I would live by the water and have a child. The child would be born “broken” (disabled). Well years later we lived on the water and my child was born in our cabin. When he was born he did not respond normally. I quickly proclaimed to the mid wife that he had cerebral palsy. I actually was stupid enough to allow such a vision in the first place but then I compounded the error by SPEAKING WORDS that confirmed it. Well my son ended up with “cerebral palsy”. A few days before the birth we had purchased a picture of an owl and hung it in our bedroom, where our son was born. After all this happened my wife discerned that the picture was not in line with God and somehow connected to our tradgedy and took it to a dumpster and threw it away. ”
I just wanted to comment on this quickly. The idea that one can speak, visualize, or think something into existence is an occult belief, not one that was generated from the Bible or that can be supported from the Bible. God is the only one who has the power to speak things into reality. However, God allows those who are serving the devil to be tormented by him. To summarize John’s story: the vision was generated by drug use, satan has the ability to harm people, and the end result of that vision is that John believed that he spoke his child’s sickness into reality. It is a lie, John. A lie from the liar. People do not have the power to command God by our words. God is above us! That is essentially what this idea is about—- that God is forced to do what we want because we believed it and “spoke it” in the “right way” or visualized it properly or used positive thinking, etc. Name it, claim it? Jesus is our mediator. Not visualization or any other technique.