Some Dare Call It ‘Christian’
John Crowder and the ‘Mystical Communion Festival’
by Bud Press, Director,
Christian Research Service
www.christianresearchservice.com
April 17, 2009
Parents, do you know what your children were doing during April 8-11, 2009? If they attended John Crowder’s “The New Ecstatics Mystical Communion Festival” in Santa Cruz, California, they may have been “Rolling in the Butter” or caught up in a “Butter Trance.”
And what does “Rolling in the Butter” and “Butter Trance” mean? Take a few minutes and watch these two YouTube videos:
#1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5hYi6AHrAg
#2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gweZGg0Rz_0
Pause video #1 at 12 seconds, and notice the bodies laying next to and on top of each other. Pause the video again at 16 seconds, and notice the young girl in the tye-dyed T-shirt reaching for the umbrella.
Pause video #2 at 56 seconds, and notice the young boy trying to walk through the bodies on the floor. Pause the video again at 1:03. The man in the blue helmet is Stacy Denboer, blasphemer and dedicated follower of John Crowder (for example, watch this video of Crowder leading Denboer around by his head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8QZG2ngxp4 ).
For the past year, Stacy Denboer has worked hard to make a name for himself within the hyper-Charismatic camp, and has finally attained celebrity status.
Stacy Denboer, whose discerment IQ is 3 digits higher than a house plant, recently founded “Drooling Ministires,” which he so eloquently introduces in this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr37W7N7-os ).
This is the same Stacy Denboer who believes “God” put it on his heart to “give birth to a global revival,” who enjoys nursing on the “breast of Jesus,” and who is the inventor of the “Piggy Anointing” (among other animalistic anointings):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AmjGUghuKo&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDg9FL8HZ0s&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AmjGUghuKo&feature=channel_page
And some dare call it “Christian.”
If anyone doubts the cult-like influence John Crowder has over his followers, show them the above videos, as well as the following quote from none other than Stacy Denboer:
After all, is there a better way to ensure the future of demonically-inspired teachings and behavior than to condition and deceive impressionable children and young adults?
It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble (Luke 17:1-2).
Parents, do you know what your children will be doing on April 17-19? For John Crowder’s next appearance is scheduled at Glorybound Ministries in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Crowder is among those the Bible warns as “evil men and impostors” who “will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:12-13).
Be delayed and wait, blind yourselves and be blind; they become drunk, but not with wine, they stagger, but not with strong drink. For the LORD has poured over you a spirit of deep sleep, He has shut your eyes, the prophets; and He has covered your heads, the seers (Isaiah 29:9-10).
Babylon has been a golden cup in the hand of the LORD, intoxicating all the earth. The nations have drunk of her wine; therefore the nations are going mad (Jeremiah 51:7).
Related reading and viewing:
BLASPHEMY INCORPORATED
http://www.christianresearchservice.com/Blasphemy_Incorporated.htm
Videos by LocalPastor
http://www.christianresearchservice.com/VideosbyLocalPastor.htm
Videos by VinnieActs2030
http://www.christianresearchservice.com/VideosbyVinnieActs2030.htm
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April 25, 2009 at 1:59 pm
John
My son and I listened to this guy’s music CD in the car on the way to school one day. We hadn’t laughed so hard in ages. I wouldn’t take Crowder (or yourself) so seriously.
For better and worse, Pentecostalism is the fasting growing segment of Xn faith on the planet today. Get used to it. It’s not my cup of tea, but perhaps we should lighten up a bit and cut them some grace. There are a lot of kids on that video. I would rather see them rolling on the floor together (as an expression of faith) than aimlessly hanging out on Santa Cruz streets – a national center of black heroin distribution.
And I wouldn’t call Crowder an “impostor.” Deranged, perhaps 🙂
On second thought, we’re ALL impostors, with a common need for grace.
April 25, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Kim
Rolling on the floor “as an expression of faith”?
“Xn”?
April 25, 2009 at 3:22 pm
John
“Xn”? Are you asking about the abbreviation, or questioning its context? (“Xn” is an ancient and respectful abbreviation for “Christian”).
Because we don’t understand someone’s expression of faith doesn’t invalidate it, or them – or their faith. Try stripping down to a “loin cloth” while dancing wildly – as an expression of faith. Most of us wouldn’t do that (!), yet it doesn’t invalidate it.
Go after Crowder if you must, but I would be careful judging these kids, their faith, or their outward expressions.
April 25, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Kim
Crossing out the name of Christ with an X is respectful?
The Bible, has many verses referring to the HOLY name of Christ.
Read passage Ezekiel 36:16-23 where God’s wrath is poured out on the people for shed blood, idol worship and profaning His name.
Psalms 105:3 “Glory is in his holy name”
Psalms 111:9 “…holy and awesome is his name.”
Stripping down to a loincloth and dancing wildly would not be an expression of faith and this would be offensive to God.
1 Peter 1:13 tell us to be holy. “Therefore prepare your minds for action – be self-contolled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.”
1Peter 4:7 “The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear-minded and self-controlled that you can pray.”
We are to live as children of light and to put on Christ in righteousness and holiness.
Ephesians 4: 19 “Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.”
5:3 “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or any kind of impurity, or of greed because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4. Nor should there be any obscenity, foolish talk or course joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person – such a man is an idolater – has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. “
April 25, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Jeff
5:3 is this refering to how we are to behave in general or how church leaders and followers are to act(worship) In service?
Are there any examples of “good” rituals for us to follow? I can think of like the Lords prayer, Cumunion and Babtisim, but after that come up a scratchn.
April 25, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Jeff
Pehaps I should not have called TLP a ritual..but if it’s said the same way every time ….dosnt that define word? I always try and say it slowly and think of current events in my life for each part of it to keep it fresh and real.:like forgive me for my trespasses..well I try to think of someone I wronged..and so on..
Anyway tryn to stay on point..
Christ is Lord.
April 25, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Kim
Hi Jeff,
Good questions. I think the Ephesians passage tell us how Christians need to conducts themselves, so I think this is in general. I may be wrong but I think the only rites mentioned in the New Testament is baptism and The Lord’s Supper.
The Lord’s Prayer can become meaningless if it just repeated without thought. We say it pretty much every Sunday in our church. Sometimes we sing it slowly and this can make me cry. I like what you said about saying it slowly and thinking of current events in your life.
This is what makes God’s Word real for us. You are applying the prayer to your life and wow, this is so important. Bless you.
April 25, 2009 at 11:41 pm
John
“X” has been a respectful sign of Christ for millennia. It was probably first used as code (Greek “chi”) by the earliest Christ-followers – you can find it in ancient catacombs and elsewhere. You’ll also find it in common use today by those doing a lot of NT/theological writing/notes – I happen to be in the middle of writing a book and am using it a lot. If it bothers you, don’t use it.
http://tinyurl.com/czq8xb
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10488a.htm
http://tinyurl.com/d44qhb
King David stripped down to a single piece of “holy garment” and danced wildly before the Lord. According to 2 Sam 6:20, he was “half-naked” and “vulgar” (TNIV – http://tinyurl.com/c69ax6). The passage says that some people were greatly offended by David’s “unholy” behavior. Who can blame them?
But David recognized something that few other could see. He did his wild, foolish, half-naked dance “for the Lord.” He, himself, even felt “undignified” and “humiliated” – but recognized that his action was an unstoppable outpouring of a God-given inward joy (receiving the Ark).
Saul’s daughter “despised” David for his highly unconventional worship. But rather than judging some Jesus-loving kids for rolling around on the floor “before the Lord” – I would rather be like the lowly slave girl of 2Sam6:22 who honored David’s wild outbursts.
April 26, 2009 at 8:26 am
Kim
John,
Your comment was held for moderation only because of excessive links.
They were interesting though, and thank you for sending them. Although…they do indicate that symbols were used as “shorthand” for manuscripts. I think today using Christ’s name in full is respectful and I myself will continue to do so.
David’s behavior has nothing do with the false anointing, drunk in the spirit, behavior we see in the videos.
1 Timothy 4:1
“The Spirit clearly says that in later time some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”
We are to test all experiences.
Here is a bit of advice to young people in 4:12 “Do not let anyone look down to you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith, and in purity. 13. Until I come, devote yourself to the public teaching of scripture and to teaching.”
I see none of this in the videos. Please understand I love my brothers and sisters in Christ and I do not want to see them fall away because of false experiences by false teachings.
2 Peter 2:2 “Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.”
April 26, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Jeff
Now I’m wondering how many rituals Are in OT vs NT and if there’s a message in the change..
Oh and 5:3..Boy am I in trouble…lol
CIL(CHRIST IS LORD),
Jeff
April 26, 2009 at 6:38 pm
wearymom
I have looked at quite a few of John Crowder and Ben Dunn’s ‘ministry’ videos and what I see every time is blasphemy..not true worship of God by any stretch of the imagination. These young people are being misled and taught a false gospel. Whether rolling on the floor in Crowder’s services or out on the Santa Cruz streets…they are all just as lost. This is not Biblical Christianity. It is a perversion of the gospel. Instead of leading people to Christ, this teaching is leading them farther away.
And, David’s dance before the Lord is a very poor comparison to this false teaching of being ‘drunk in the spirit’. Did he stumble around like a drunk, slurring his speech, acting like a stoned jerk drooling all over himself? He did not!
April 26, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Kim
wearymom,
We are in full agreement. Thank you for commenting.
April 26, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Jeff
….Wearymom,
I’d say you are “dead spot on” with your comment.
Very well writen..lol
Christ is Lord,
Scoob
April 26, 2009 at 8:20 pm
John
“David’s dance before the Lord is a very poor comparison to this false teaching of being ‘drunk in the spirit’. Did he stumble around like a drunk, slurring his speech, acting like a stoned jerk drooling all over himself? He did not!”
Wasn’t the early church also accused of acting like drunkards (Acts 2)?
Go after Crowder if you must, but I wouldn’t be so quick to judge these kids as “lost.” Religion is all about external appearances. Jesus was all about the heart. Who are we to judge the heart of these children? Perhaps many of them love Jesus far deeper than any of us – combined.
Joel didn’t say: “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved… unless they roll around on the floor.”
Jesus didn’t say to the thief on the cross: “sorry dude, your heart’s in the right place, but you made some mistakes – you’re lost. take a hike.”
I remember the Jesus Movement and the reaction of many “religious parents” to the kids’ wild expressions of faith. Many of those hippy kids are today the greatest servants in the body of Christ.
So.. be careful in judgment. In the profound struggle of Spirit and humanity, this is barely a gnat in one’s eye.
April 26, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Kim
“Perhaps many of them love Jesus far deeper than any of us – combined.”
God says to love Him we must keep and obey His commandments, and to worship in spirit and truth.
Deu 11:13 So if you faithfully obey the commands I am giving you today–to love the Lord your God and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul–
Jos 22:5 But be very careful to keep the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the Lord gave you: to love the Lord your God, to walk in all his ways, to obey his commands, to hold fast to him and to serve him with all your heart and all your soul.”
Neh 1:5 Then I said: “O Lord, God of heaven, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with those who love him and obey his commands,
Psa 119:88 Preserve my life according to your love, and I will obey the statutes of your mouth.
Psa 119:167 I obey your statutes, for I love them greatly.
Dan 9:4 I prayed to the Lord my God and confessed: “O Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with all who love him and obey his commands,
Jhn 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.
Jhn 14:23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
Jhn 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
Jhn 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
1Jo 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
April 26, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Kim
“Wasn’t the early church also accused of acting like drunkards (Acts 2)? ”
I like this commentary from Blue Letter Bible about this oft quoted twisting of scripture.
c. For these are not drunk: Peter deflects the mocking criticism that the disciples were drunk. In that day, it was unthinkable that people would be so drunk so early in the day (about 9:00 in the morning).
i. Commentator Adam Clarke says that most Jews – pious or not – did not eat or drink until after the third hour of the day, because that was the time for prayer, and they would only eat after their business with God was accomplished.
d. These are not drunk: We shouldn’t think that the Christians were acting as if they were drunk. The idea of “being drunk in the Spirit” has no foundation in Scripture; the comment from the mockers had no basis in reality.
i. “Nor, must we add, did the believers’ experience of the Spirit’s fullness seem to them or look to others like intoxication, because they had lost control of their normal mental and physical functions. No, the fruit of the Spirit is ‘self-control,’ not the loss of it.” (Stott)
April 26, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Kim
Parents,
Bring up your children in the Word of God.
Deu 4:9 Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the things your eyes have seen or let them slip from your heart as long as you live. Teach them to your children and to their children after them.
Eph 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
This is my favorite:
Deu 11:19 Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.
1Ti 3:4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect.
3Jo 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truth.
I teach the Bible to junior hi students. We are in Deuteronomy right now.
April 26, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Jeff
Yes as I remember nothing angers HIM more that to harm children..We must discern ALL teachings more when it’s the the little ones..
That’s the way I see it anyway.
April 27, 2009 at 7:08 pm
wearymom
These two videos examine the teachings of John Crowder:
John Crowder Magic Carpet Ride http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHTNZn938g&feature=related
An examination of John Crowder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GrmRUtD7LE&NR=1
Crowder’s teachings are totally unbiblical and he is a danger to young people. Anyone who thinks he is ‘funny’ needs to examine themselves to see if they are truly in the Lord. There is nothing funny about mocking the Holy Spirit and leading young people into that practice. You may not take him seriously, John, but, believe me, he is seriously leading people away from the truth. We don’t come to Christ to get our felt needs met…to get ‘high on the Lord’. There is no true repentance in that and, therefore, no true salvation. Jesus isn’t our big sugar daddy in the sky as Crowder is would have his followers believe. John Crowder is going to have a lot to answer for when he stands before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords one day.
April 27, 2009 at 10:03 pm
IWanthetruth
John Crowder is another one involved in Necromancy, as is Benny Hinn…and some others who are leaders in the “church” (though I am not sure what church they are a part of).
Do a google search on John Crowder and Necromancy. He is stepping out of bounds to what the scripture says and in doing so he is leading both youth and adults down a path, that I believe, is dangerous to ones with the Lord.
Be careful of using scripture out of context. I still cannot understand why, when one reads a book or a newspaper, one doesn’t do to those books what man does to the bible. That is take a sentence out of a paragraph and make another meaning out of it when that was not the intent of the author. In this case the author being God who breathed the scriptures and some take them amd twist them from the original context.
Words have meaning and they are structured in a sentence and paragraphs to mean something. Why must people take a sentence (which was not a #’d verse in the original) from the context and make it something it is not?
This is what those such as Crowder and many others into the mystical experiences of the supernatural are doing to support their junk and extra-biblical and even heretical teachings. They are making up their own theology and dragging many with them.
Oh I remember, Satan did the same thing in the garden and twisted what God said and meant!
April 28, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Craig
John:
You wrote:
Go after Crowder if you must, but I wouldn’t be so quick to judge these kids as “lost.” Religion is all about external appearances. Jesus was all about the heart. Who are we to judge the heart of these children? Perhaps many of them love Jesus far deeper than any of us – combined.
We are not ‘judging the heart’ of these people. We are assessing the spiritual fruit which is bad. A bad tree does not bear good fruit. Faulty doctrine (bad tree) will not bear good fruit [Matthew 7:15-23].
These individuals are worshiping another jesus.
As Kim has said: we must worship in Spirit AND Truth [John 4:21-24]. Truth — Biblical Truth — is sadly lacking in Crowder and Dunn. It’s all theatrics and it’s flat out blasphemous. And, these guys know it. And, they’re laughing all the way to the bank. It’s quite a shame as Crowder (don’t know about Dunn) is a very intelligent, literate person.
And, as IWantthetruth points out, Crowder is practicing necromancy.
April 28, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Craig
Being a Christian only a short 8 years, I’ve got quite a bit of secular knowledge from my almost 50 year life (50 years! — YIKES!). These guys remind me of Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper — a ‘musical’ twosome from the ’80s. They were all about being outrageous with their adolescent humor. Hopefully, Nixon and Roper have grown up by now. Hopefully Crowder, et al will grow up soon…
April 28, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Anna
Well done, John. You sound like an actual Christian aka follower of Jesus.
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
❤
April 28, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Anna
Oy, and vey as well.
Hey everyone, can I just ask a teeny, tiny question?
If Jesus, the one we all love and would give our lives for and would fall to the floor to worship if presented with his face right here and now, if our First Love were here on this ol’ blog right now, what do you think he’d say?
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Meditate, answer that question, and then reply in that spirit.
But beware if the spirit you find is fearful, judgemental, mocking, or anything else that is not LOVE as defined by the character of Jesus–who would not cast the first stone. He is full of grace, mercy, kindness and unfailing love!
Because of this, we can count ourselves grateful: “the Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love.”
What does this mean? It means He has it all in His hands–if you doubt this, ask for a revelation of the holes therein and revel in the awe of His greatness and the power of His Love, that he chose ultimately as greater even than His Anger. He gave one ‘small’ job to finish before we judged others–to love God with all our strength and to love one another–and no one but Jesus has finished that job yet.
April 29, 2009 at 8:30 am
Kim
Jesus taught love, but He also taught repentance and about sin.
Concern and yes…love for these young people in the video, makes me turn to Luke 17 where Jesus says,
“Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through who they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one these little ones to sin. So watch yourselves. If your brothers sins, rebuke, and if he repents, forgive him.”
Now let’s look at Galatians 1:6-9 where Paul said”
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned.”
If we love God, we will obey His commandments and teach each other His Word. See comment on April 26, 8:30 pm. God is love, and we are to love others, this is a given, but we also must consider all of scripture, as a whole.
Is Paul being unloving by saying that those who preach a false gospel will be eternally condemned? Is the truth he speaks really love? I believe it so.
April 29, 2009 at 9:48 am
Kim
I thank the person who just sent this verse for encouragement.
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2Tim 4:2-4
April 29, 2009 at 7:31 pm
wearymom
I don’t think His love IS greater than His wrath. God’s love and wrath….don’t they go hand in hand like two sides to the same coin? He would not be a loving God if He did not have wrath/hatred for what is evil. Am I right? This may sound strange, but I think God’s wrath is actually an expression of His love. His wrath is holy wrath and it is necessary. By it He will judge the world and wipe out evil forever. Praise God for His wrath! (Though I am glad I don’t have to come under it…and no one has to because of what Christ has done.)No one here is condemning Mr. Crowder or his followers…only God can do that. What we are doing is using discernment, applying God’s Word to see if this teaching is truly of the Lord. If we conclude it is not, then we have an obligation to expose the error and to warn people so they will not come under God’s wrath someday. That, my friend, is a very important way to show the love of God. Warning people of the wrath to come is a very loving thing to do.
April 29, 2009 at 7:34 pm
mbaker
Anna,
You know sometimes when people speak a truth that needs to be spoken it is taken as a criticism, or legalism (a very convenient term we can use to dismiss the truth we need to hear about something)
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I’m for speaking the truth in love, however sometimes because folks have pre- conceived and romantic illusions about what the term ‘love’ means they don’t want to hear the truth.
Always keep something in mind – we can talk about judgement, etc and so forth, but in the end it is the Lord who decides it, and usually based upon His word not our opinions of it.
God bless.
January 20, 2010 at 9:33 pm
smilesback
Oh, the ability of those who love to hold onto sin and make excuses for those who mock our Holy God! John tells us to lighten up, but he, sadly, must wise up –or he and those he influences are in for a rude awakening. 1 Peter 1:15 says, “Be holy in all you do.” And Heb. 12:14 says, “Without holiness no one will see the Lord.” Jesus says in Luke 13:3, “But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
Commenter John tells us not to be so serious. Well, we are serious, but he, apparently, has made his choice to not take these verses from God’s Word seriously. However, Titus 2:6-8 commands, “Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned…”
There are numerous Scriptures Crowder and friends disregard… Unfortunately, they seem also to care little about examining themselves and considering if Jesus’ warning in Matt. 7:21-23 could be about them. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from Me, you evildoers!'”
And Anna… I wonder what she thinks of that “love” Jesus portrays in His words in that last verse I quoted. Or what she thinks of Jesus calling false prophets “ferocious wolves” in verse 15. Or when, in Matt. 23, He calls them snakes, a brood of vipers, blind guides, and whitewashed tombs. Or when He warns that when the Master returns and finds His servant being unfaithful in obedience, “He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matt. 24:51) And what about Ps. 5:5 that says of God, “You hate all who do wrong”? Hmmm… I don’t see how that verse could be translated, “God loves everyone” or “God tolerates those who mock Him.”
Yes, God is “patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) But Rom. 2:5 is equally true: “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself…” “For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person –such a man is an idolater– has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.” (Eph. 5:5-7)
Those guys, their music, their videos, and their teachings should be completely avoided! And for those who defend them, 2 John 1:11 warns, “Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.”
Rachel