Confusion on the Davidic Tabernacle
Submitted by Craig “Lee” Dorsheimer
The current issue [July 2008] of Charisma Magazine contains an article by Mike Bickle, president and director of the International House of Prayer (IHOP) in Kansas City, MO, titled The Tabernacle of David. This piece is essentially a word for word reprint of a 2000 article of the same name. The only difference is that the original added an introductory sentence referencing an article from the previous month. Here’s the original article from the Charisma archives:
http://charismamag.com/index.php/columns/265-passion-for-jesus/507-enjoyable-prayer
Compare the original to the current piece:
http://charismamag.com/index.php/charisma-channels/prayer/18744
Given that the deletion of this prefatory comment is an obvious revision, it is curious that some of the errors in this article as pointed out on The International House of Prayers’ “Affirmations and Denials” tab are still there. Is Mike Bickle aware that this article, which he corrects in part on his website, is uncorrected at Charisma? Is Charisma aware of Bickle’s correction?
The original article and its current version point to the fallacy upon which the whole teaching is based and IHOP’s 24 hour worship is practiced. The faulty premise comes from an incorrect exegesis of Acts 15:16-17 and an incorrect assumption about the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant. First, the Acts misinterpretation:
“I came across this secret when I was studying the tabernacle of David (see Acts 15:16-17), the perfect model of a 24-hour-a-day prayer and worship ministry. King David assigned musicians and singers, whom he had trained in the prophetic spirit (see 1 Chr. 25:1-3), to worship God continuously before the ark.”[1]
Here are the Acts 15:16-17 verses:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
Says the LORD who does all these things.’ [NKJV]
Put in the context of the whole of Acts chapter 15 we see Paul, Barnabas and Peter explaining why the Gentiles did not need to conform to the Mosaic ritual of circumcision and to Mosaic Law. Verses 16 and 17 are James answer to the Judiazers using words from the prophet Amos. The ‘tabernacle’ which had ‘fallen down’ was the Davidic dynasty/lineage fulfilled in Jesus. In Jesus, Gentiles, not just Jews, would be saved. This passage speaks nothing about David’s make-shift Tabernacle housing the Ark of the Covenant [1 Chronicles 15:1 and 16:1]. Bickle’s error in the original article was clarified on the IHOP “Affirmations and Denials” page shown here:
http://www.ihop.org/Articles/1000050149/International_House_of/About_Us/Our_Beliefs/Affirmations_and_Denials.aspx
Following is the complete statement:
The Tabernacle of David
WE AFFIRM
WE DENY the restoration of the tabernacle of David is the same as the end-time prayer movement.
Explanation: In the days of King David, he established a tabernacle that had singers and musicians who ministered to the Lord day and night. Today, the prayer movement is in the spirit of David’s Tabernacle. This means that the prayer movement will have some components of the Tabernacle of David, specifically pertaining to singers and musicians.
The promise of the restoration of the tabernacle of David refers to the governmental restoration of David’s international rule as part of the restoration of national Israel in the Millennial Kingdom.
The context of Amos 9:11–12 is the governmental rule of Jesus over all the nations from Jerusalem.
In Acts 15:13–18, James referred to Amos 9:11 declaring that Gentiles should be accepted into the predominantly Jewish Body of Christ, without needing to convert to Judaism. The apostles understood that in the End Times, God would re-establish the Messianic kingdom over all the nations. God has just visited the Gentiles with salvation at Cornelius’ house (Acts 10). This was in agreement with Old Testament prophecy. James quoted Amos to prove that many Gentiles will be saved in context to the restoration of the Davidic dynastic reign. This restoration will of course include David’s heart for worship and prayer. Though Amos 9:11 is not prophesying primarily about 24/7 intercessory worship, it will be a foundational reality in the release of Jesus’ worldwide rule over the nations. The prophetic word given to Mike Bickle in May 1983 was that “God would release 24 hour-a-day prayer in the spirit of the Tabernacle of David.” In other words, it would involve prophetic singers and musicians. Worship and intercession is not in itself the actual restoration of David’s tabernacle![2]
The last three paragraphs above go about clarifying/correcting the Acts and Amos passages cited in the original article. For sake of comparison with the Acts verses and completeness, here are the Amos 9:11-12 verses which were paraphrased a bit by James in Acts:
11 “On that day I will raise up
The tabernacle of David, which has fallen down,
And repair its damages;
I will raise up it ruins,
And rebuild is as in the days of old;
12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,”
Says the LORD who does this thing. [Amos 9:11-12 NKJV]
While Bickle corrects these verses [although verse 11 is also considered Messianic – as in Jesus’ first coming], he takes a bit of license with the last few sentences of the last paragraph. How does he know that ‘24/7 intercessory worship’ as exemplified in King David’s reign during the time he had the Ark in Jerusalem will be a ‘reality’ in Jesus’ millennial reign? Given that this whole Tabernacle of David prophecy comes from a ‘prophetic word’ from Bob Jones, how can anyone be sure based on Jones’ own assertion that New Testament prophecies will be about 2/3rds right at best? And, when Bickle states that Amos 9:11 does not ‘primarily’ speak about ‘24/7 intercessory worship’ he is again taking license as this verse says nothing about full time worship – or any kind of worship.
It’s interesting to note that this same faulty exegesis regarding Acts 15:16-17 is found quite a bit on the internet. Just do a web search for “tabernacle of david” and see how many sites come up with this same error.
Now, moving on to the unveiling of the Ark: Bickle asserts that David’s Tabernacle did not have a veil concealing the Ark of the Covenant from view.
“In David’s tabernacle there was no veil to keep the people from seeing the glory of God.”[3]
He goes on to explain how the Davidic worshipers were in effect a ‘human veil’ over the Ark. He cites a number of scripture references [1 Chronicles 6:31-33; 15:16-22; 23:4-6; 25:7] yet none specifically state that there was no covering in front of or over the Ark. Two of these passages actually conflict Bickle’s assertion especially the 6:31-32 verses:
31 These are the men David put in charge of the music in the house of the LORD after the ark came to rest there. 32 They ministered with music before the tabernacle, the Tent of Meeting, until Solomon built the temple of the LORD in Jerusalem. They performed their duties according to the regulations laid down for them. [1 Chronicles 6:31-32 NKJV emphasis mine]
This position of an unveiled Ark is not supported in scripture. This would be contrary to the example provided by Moses whose Tabernacle had an inner room termed the ‘Most Holy Place’ housing the Ark with a thick curtain/veil separating this room from the rest of the structure [Exodus 25 – 27]. Besides 1 Chronicles 6:31-32; 23:4, here are the only two Biblical passages directly referencing David’s make-shift Tabernacle dwelling itself:
1 David built houses for himself in the City of David; and he prepared a place for the ark of God, and pitched a tent for it. [1 Chronicles 15:1 / 2 Samuel 6:17 NKJV]
1 So they brought the ark of God, and set it in the midst of the tabernacle that David had erected for it. Then they offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before God. [1 Chronicles 16:1 NKJV]
[As an aside: it’s interesting to note that the Hebrew transliterated word for both ‘tent’ and ‘tabernacle’ in these Chronicles passages are both ‘‘ohel;’ whereas, the word for ‘tabernacle’ in Exodus 26:1, the Mosaic Tabernacle, is ‘mishkan’ in the Hebrew thereby illustrating the difference between the two. Additionally, the transliterated word for ‘tabernacle’ in the Amos verse is ‘cukkah.’ All three are different!]
In addition, even an unveiling of the Ark during transportation was apparently forbidden as per instructions Moses gave in Numbers 4:4-6:
4 “This is the service of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of meeting, relating to the most holy things: 5 When the camp prepares to journey, Aaron and his sons shall come, and they shall take down the covering veil and cover the ark of the Testimony with it. 6 Then they shall put on it a covering of badger skins, and spread over that a cloth entirely of blue; and they shall insert its poles. [NKJV]
Therefore, we cannot assume the Ark in the Davidic Tabernacle was somehow left open, unveiled for all to see. Since only the Levitical High Priest was allowed to enter the Most Holy Place/Holy of Holies once a year on the Day of Atonement, how could we assume the Ark was left in open view? In addition, in light of the fact that with Jesus’ atoning death on the cross the curtain of the temple was torn thereby signifying that we may now enter the Holy of Holies/Most Holy Place directly [Mark 15:38; Hebrews 9:8-10:12; 10:19-20], why would we assume that the Ark was ever previously in plain sight?
Furthermore – and most importantly – why would we want to resurrect an Old Testament pre-Messianic era practice? With Jesus’ finished work on the cross, we are now the temple with the Holy Spirit living inside of us.
Now, I’m not opposed to corporate prayer. I’m not opposed to 24/7 prayer. But, the ToD is promoting just another ritual. We have enough of those already.
Going back to the “Affirmations and Denials” page, the “WE AFFIRM” section uses a bit of scripture to support the ToD stance. However, the references do not support the assertion that the Holy Spirit is ‘orchestrating a global worship and prayer movement that will operate in great authority.’ Nor do they support anything about a ‘spirit’ of operating in the ToD.
There’s also some confusion – at least to this reader – with the wording in this section. Starting from the very top in the “WE AFFIRM” section it is clear Bickle is speaking of a prayer movement which will be in the ‘spirit’ of the Tabernacle of David. And, the restoration of the ToD is not the same as the end-time prayer movement according to the “WE DENY” section. Does this mean Bickle’s ToD is not an end-time prayer movement but a prayer movement not specifically related to end-times instead; or, does it mean that it’s not the same as the restoration of the Tabernacle of David which refers to the nation Israel’s reestablishment in the Millennial Kingdom? Looking at the last paragraph of the Charisma article, Bickle refers to the ToD as end-time worship.
Is there significance in identifying it as NOT an end-times prayer movement as opposed to simply a prayer movement?
The bottom line is there is no Biblical support for Bickle’s Tabernacle of David. The initial scriptural basis used for it in Acts 15 has been clarified and denied as being improper exegesis. But, what about the current piece in Charisma which is at odds with the “Affirmations and Denials” of the ToD on the IHOP site? Could the initial attempt to line up this practice to the Word of God have been instead a matter of eisegesis – looking for Biblical texts to support a ‘prophetic word’ of Bob Jones?
Further, the assertion that the Ark was unveiled for all to worship in front of is Biblically unsupportable as well. In fact, it’s easy to refute Biblically. So, where’s the justification for the ToD?
[1] Mike Bickle, “The Tabernacle of David,” Charisma Magazine July 2008 <http://charismamag.com/index.php/charisma-channels/prayer/18744
2 Mike Bickle, “The Tabernacle of David,” Affirmations and Denials, International House of Prayer , http://www.ihop.org/Articles/1000050149/International_House_of/About_Us/Our_Beliefs/Affirmations_and_Denials.aspx
3 Charisma Magazine
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July 17, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Lee
I wanted to give a special anonymous ‘thank you’ to those who’ve provided assistance. Thanks a bunch!
July 18, 2008 at 7:24 am
sadparent
Your comments are greatly needed on these blogs. The people who get on here to argue, argue, argue seem to have a hateful spirit and then they spout off a bunch of lingo about how much more they understand scripture better than anyone else…
It’s like with them, the gifts of the spirit don’t apply to them, that they’ve risen above having to have them. The other thing is that if you disagree with them, then it’s obvious: YOU are a pharisee!
It is too bad that they forget (or never knew) that it’s not about WHAT you know but WHO you know. Knowledge vs. relationship.
I have to think, what’s it going to be like for those who hear Him say, “Depart from me. I never knew you.” ? A lot of “high up in the spiritual realm people” are going to get the wind knocked out of them.
I guess it’s a good time to lift them in prayer. Ya know?
SP
July 18, 2008 at 10:51 am
Lily
This article was very helpful to me. I had already come to the truth that it was not biblical to raise up a physical “ToD”, since believers in Jesus Christ are the temple of the Holy Spirit. However, you helped me understand the quotes from Amos in Acts 15.
The “spin” on this and other scripture that comes from MB and IHOP is sometimes hard to sort through as it sounds so great…..prayer and fasting!
I think the essential point to understand is that much of what is being done is built off the directional prophetic words of the man Bob Jones. He fails the test of being a biblical Prophet no matter what he says and no matter who accepts what he says above the scriptures. He says prophets don’t have to be 100% accurate. The LORD says they do!
I think if people in the so called prophetic/apostolic movement would examine that one fact, they could understand where their leaders opened the door to great delusion and deception.
They have put on going prophetic revelation above the sure and plain meaning of Scripture. Then twist the scripture to substantiate the prophetic word and build their ministry.
I have only come to this truth in the past several weeks as I have been searching for truth in regards to “The Lakeland Thing.” Prior to this I was sadly naive and trusting of leaders and their amazing stories without searching out facts.
Thank you,
Lily
July 18, 2008 at 11:02 am
Lee
Lily,
Thank you so much for posting your comments. This is my intention here — to help folks see through the deception and doublespeak.
And, yes you are correct that so many of these new ‘doctrines’ are from ‘prophetic words’ from ‘prophets’ who espouse the ‘imperfect prophet’ who is just ‘growing.’ Since God is perfect, when the Holy Spirit works through an individual the result will be 100% perfect and true.
Please know you are not alone. There are many people out there who have come out of various deceptions. Some were in deeper than others.
Here’s a good article right here:
https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/the-toronto-deception-by-former-tacf-pastor-paul-gowdy/
God bless you!
July 18, 2008 at 11:50 am
Layla
The other side of this topic is the idea of “prophetic worship”. Now I don’t seem to have as big of a problem with this. I have heard that some of this type of worship is to use the sounds of music to express the attributes of the Lord. For instance a God who wars for us. What kind of sound can you use on the drums, or trumpet, or any other instrument that will give a picture (hearing) of that attribute? Or how about the peace of God, especially finishing a musical piece without dissonance cord, etc., etc.
The idea is to tell the story of God through music as a vehicle much in the same way the music of the “Peter and the Wolf” is used. There are no words but the music tells the story.
I suppose that even this can be mis-used especially if you are using the music in a method that brings a supposed “presence” in to the gathering and people become “trance like” or “empty their minds” which could allow for other “spirits” to become present or make you do things that just seem on “decent and in order”.
July 19, 2008 at 2:29 pm
julia
In the spirit of the TOD just means we are using prophetic singers and muscians to facilitate enjoyable 24 hour, 7 day a week prayer. The literal TOD is a theocracy not to be established until the millenial reign of Jesus. Yes, IHOP is part of the end-time global prayer movement but certaintly not the whole of it, nor does Mike think so as he is constantly reminding us we are just a small part of it.
I really can’t think of a reason God wouldn’t want to be worshiped 24 hours a day. I tried. I also can’t think of why, when He tells us to pray ceasingly, He wouldn’t want prayer going on 24 hours a day. So, you can argue all this stuff and pick it apart detail by detail but the point is, God kinda likes it when any of us sing to Him or talk to Him so why don’t we just do that and not worry so much about what others are doing.
You know I love you all so now go ahead and rip in to me. 😉
July 19, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Lee
Julia,
Yes, I do understand IHOP’s current stance on this; but, what about the errors in exegesis on the original Charisma article which are corrected on the IHOP site yet not corrected in Charisma? And, what about all the other sites which reference the TOD with this same exegetical error? Does Bickle and/or Charisma not care enough about His Word to correct it?
The current Charisma article refers to it as “restoration” of the ToD while the IHOP site corrects this as in the “spirit” of. This would lead to believe either: 1) IHOP changed their mind but hasn’t updated the website; or 2) there’s a mistake somewhere. Which is it?.
And, how is this an end-times prayer movement? I agree we’re close to the end of the end times; but, how do we know that IHOP’s model is THE one or if there’s really supposed to be an end-times prayer movement to begin with? I see no scriptural correlation for this. Is this according to the ‘word’ of Bob Jones?
You know we love you, too! 😉
July 19, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Julia Palermo
I definately know that the website is current because Mike is very adamant about always saying it is in the spirit of the TOD. Mike is very humble about past errors and has no problem admitting he’s made them. I don’t know why Charisma would run this article without the correction. I do not know if Mike knows about it, but I wish he did. He spends too much time eating carpet in the prayer room!
Mike would jump out of his skin if anyone tried to say that IHOP’s model is THE one or that we ARE the end time prayer movement. IHOP’s stance is that we are only a SMALL itty bitty part of the end time prayer movement! Mike is always telling us that and hammering home that many ministries are being raised up right now that are taking place in the prayer movement.
July 19, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Lee
So, I suppose Mike didn’t know Charisma ran that article? I find that hard to believe. It’s been running for a month now.
I still haven’t found scripture that identifies an end-times prayer movement of any sort. I would figure it would at least be a fulfillment of some Biblical prophesy. The scripture identified in the “WE AFFIRM” section speaks of prayer (mostly); but, there’s no specific one which can be construed as verifying a 24 hour prayer movement for the end times.
And, IHOP hasn’t addressed the error of a veil-less Ark in David’s Tabernacle. I think it is important to address that.
I can appreciate the fact the Mike has made it a point to instruct you as a student of IHOP on the correct interpretation of his ToD and to change his website accordingly as to the original errors; but, I think it just as important for him to address the other sites on the ‘net which are replicating his original error. The Acts 15 error is all over the internet.
And, yes no one is above correction. If I make an error here then it is encumbent upon me to correct it when brought to my attention.
July 19, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Julia Palermo
I don’t know why the Charisma magazine article wasn’t corrected. Honestly – it bugs me too. As for the rest of the internet, all Mike can do is make his corrections public (which he has and does continuously). He certaintly can’t chase down every tom, dick and harry on the internet and make them change their stuff.
As for the veil-less ark – I’m not sure what you are talking about. Enlighten me.
I think you take the words “prayer movement” and immediately associate it with IHOP. The prayer movement does include 24/7 prayer but I believe it also speaks of people giving themselves to prayer and whole churches giving themselves to prayer in a more focused way and probably more time as well. 24/7 prayer houses are prayer furnaces. I don’ t believe every church will become a house of prayer so to speak but will begin to focus more on prayer. But God does say that in that day His house will be called a House of Prayer so I believe prayer is the way the church is going to go in the last days and obviously prayer is important to God.
Is this making any sense? I’m kind of tired. I’ve been working with teenagers all week. Sorry.
July 19, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Lee
It seems there are even more errors out there which I don’t believe can be directly attributed to IHOP. I was over at John Burton’s site earlier and noticed that he posted an article by Michael Rizzo on the ToD a while back. Here’s a quote:
The Tabernacle (tent) of David was set up, while the tent of Moses was still functioning. For approximately 40 years, they coexisted.
Now how can a Tabernacle ‘function’ without the Ark? That doesn’t even make sense! One of the major aspects of the Tabernacle was the once a year sin offering by the High Priest thus prefiguring the once for all sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaking of John: How are he and his wife and family doing?
July 19, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Lee
Julia,
Apparently your post @ 7:38 went to spam or something as I’m just now seeing it. Sorry.
I understand that Mike can’t possibly correct all the stuff out there on the ‘net. But, I can’t quite understand why the Charisma article was left uncorrected years ago. It’s still in their archives.
As to the veil-less Ark: from the Charisma article:
In Moses’ time, the glory on the ark was hidden in the holy of holies behind a thick veil. But in David’s tent (tabernacle), there was no veil to keep the people from seeing the glory of God. It was unprecedented: David set the ark of the covenant in open view!
This is not true as I point out in the above article. 1 Chronicles 15:1 / 2 Samuel 6:17; 1 Chronicles 16:1; 1 Chronicles 6:32-33 indicate there was physical Tabernacle or tent housing the Ark. In fact, even when transporiting the Ark, strict instructions were given regarding keeping it covered [Numbers 4:4-6]. Please keep in mind that only the High Priest was to go into the Most Holy Place/Holy of Holies — which had a thick veil concealing it — once a year on the Day of Atonement; so, given that to assume the Ark was uncovered is to assume David violated a strict command of God given to Moses.
The story of Uzzah [1 Chron 13:9-10 / 2 Samuel 6:6-7] shows that even touching the Ark would result in death. It was to be carried be the poles inserted into it.
July 19, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Kim
Yes, Julia’s comment did for some reason go to the spam section. I went through my forbidden and black list to see if for some strange reason a phrase or word was causing this, but i can’t find anything. Sometimes wordpress just skips a beat.
So i did not hold your comment Julia…
July 19, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Lee
Julia,
24/7 prayer houses are prayer furnaces.
Please explain what a ‘prayer furnace’ is. I’ve seen the term before; but, I’ve yet to understand the meaning. Is the term found in scripture?
But God does say that in that day His house will be called a House of Prayer so I believe prayer is the way the church is going to go in the last days and obviously prayer is important to God.
Prayer is VERY important to God and should be an integral part of the Christian life. I don’t pray as much as I should. The word says to pray without ceasing; but, is that really possible? I know there are many times when I’m not on my knees/face in prayer but in certain circumstances — in the car, talking with a co-worker, etc. — I’ll pray as I drive (with eyes open!) or ask God for the right words to say.
Regarding “house of prayer.” Jesus uses this term as he’s driving out the money changers [Matthew 21:13, Mark 11:17, Luke 19:46] which is a reference to Isaiah 56:7:
7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations.” [NIV, emphasis mine]
Jesus uses just the words I’ve bolded above in the Gospel accounts. His point is that the money changers, who were in the outer courts, were preventing Gentiles from worshiping. The Isaiah passage in its full context is referring to the fact that with Jesus’ shed blood on the cross all nations; i.e., all people, will be able to come to salvation by faith. From the NIV text note on the Gospel passages:
a house of prayer for all nations. Isa 56:7 assured godly non-Jews that they would be allowed to worship God in the temple. Bhy allowing the court of the Gentiles to become a noisy, smelly marketplace, the Jewish religious leaders were interfering with God’s provision.
These passages do not speak of or prophesy about 24/7 prayer at all. It’s just a proclamation that even non-Jews would be saved!
Hey, I feel for you — if I had to spend one day with a bunch of teenagers I’d be tired! 😉
July 22, 2008 at 3:09 am
Lily
Dear Lee,
Thank you for the Paul Gowdy link, very insightful. I didn’t know if you had read below article. It deals with some of the issues you address in this article plus others.
http://www.intotruth.org/apostasy/harp-bowl.htm
Lily
Dear Julia.
Please read the above article also the articles below. They have some facts that may be helpful to you. May the Lord Jesus fill you with the love of truth and may His Spirit of truth guide you into all truth.
Sincerely in love and Christ,
Lily
http://thegreycoats.wordpress.com/the-vindication-of-ernie-gruen/
July 22, 2008 at 5:20 am
Lee
Lily,
I’m glad you found Paul Gowdy’s testimony helpful.
Yes, I’m very familiar with Tricia Tillin’s work. I’m glad you found it. If you weren’t aware the site is listed on Kim’s blogroll on the upper left side of this page.
July 22, 2008 at 7:47 am
Julia Palermo
Guys, seriousy, I can’t bring myself to defend worshipping God and praying for justice, mercy and healing in our land 24 hours a day. It seems ridiculous to even have to and if you can even think that this is unbiblical I have no where to start a conversation with you. No one is trying to turn the whole church in to a house of prayer. We are just doing what God has asked us to do. You do what God asks you to do.
Yes, unceasing prayer is possible. Your whole life can be a prayer. It’s about heart posture, not being on your knees.
A prayer furnace is basically a place where the fire is on the altar continually and there is 24 hour prayer going on. As intercessory missionaries we have been charged to take our place on the wall and create a place where regular folks can come to engage with God and receive from Him. Not every place is called to be a 24/7 prayer furnace and not everyone is called to take their place on the wall. We are all called to prayer though and need to make it a priority in our lives. How can we have relationship without it? If you didn’t speak to your best friend or spouse for weeks or even days at a time, that relationship would be pretty cold and stale or it would end all together. But we don’t think twice about not talking to God for days at a time.
Peace out.
July 22, 2008 at 11:39 am
mbaker
Julia,
While I can understand and appreciate your dedication to prayer, as I was in a prayer ministry for 25 years, I cannot agree with this particular statement you made:
” As intercessory missionaries we have been charged to take our place on the wall and create a place where regular folks can come to engage with God and receive from Him.”
What I find is that when we put the special name on ourselves as intercessors, rather than Christ who is everyone’s intercessor, we make folks think we have a special “in” with Him that they don’t. We should encourage folks to go to Him FIRST themselves, and then ask for corporate prayer. Never should we consider others just “regular” folks in any kind of ministry we do for the Lord,-no matter how devoted we are personally. In his eyes, we are all just “regular” folks, who are special to Him through the blood of Jesus Christ, not because of any ministry we do or don’t do.
July 22, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Tim H
A prayer furnace is basically a place where the fire is on the altar continually and there is 24 hour prayer going on.
WHAT?
I see no need for “alter of fire” these days because Jesus is at the right hand of the Father interceeding on our behalf. This, to me, is taking O.T. “programs” and fitting into a N.T. type of paradigm that I believe is no longer needed. The presence of the fire (Holy Spirit) is within every born again Christian and “where ever two or more are gathered He is there”and we are to pray to him seking His will as we pray.
July 22, 2008 at 2:03 pm
mbaker
I agree with you, Tim.
Scripture tells us we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, therefore there is no need for a tabernacle of David to keep prayer and worship going before God. There is probably always a Christian somewhere in the world praying and worshipping.
It should be noted that the ark was a symbol of God’s holy presence among the Jews. It did not actually contain Him, like a genie in a bottle. He is much too big for that. Now, through God’s immeasurable grace, all people have free access to the “Word made flesh, who walked among us”, in the person of Jesus Christ. He was He who sent the Holy Spirit, not the spirit of the tabernacle of David, to indwell and guide all Christians, so we should have no need to revive old testament religious rituals to prove ourselves holy in God’s eyes.
July 22, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Tim H
“…so we should have no need to revive old testament religious rituals to prove ourselves holy in God’s eyes.”
Exactly, and this is where I get frustrated because somebody comes along and takes many of the O.T. rituals, which became no longer pleaseing to the Lord. but rather legalistic and then says this is the way it is to be done.
I know this is really not very nice but frankly, it is a bit self serving and self centered and then becomes a man made vain imagination. When in reality God already provided through Christ and the Holy Spirit all that we need to live a victorious, overcomers, life. And prayer is indeed going onall overthe world every minute of the day, without ceasing and we can do it where ever we are.
July 22, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Mary B
” somebody comes along and takes many of the O.T. rituals, which became no longer pleaseing to the Lord”
it’s as if they are moving backwards in their understanding.
July 22, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Tim H
I was part of an intercessory prayer group that called the ministry “Fire on the Wall” and the more I got involved in it the more I was uncomfortable because it was all based on an O.T. concept and the next thing I was hearing was how we are going to change the atmosphere of the sanctuary so that people would “experience” God and so forth and so on. Now add this to seeker-sensitive preaching and what do you have? “Experience” trumping the truth and weak preaching to boot.
My problem was that it was as if the gospel had nothing to do with it. It was about establishing an “atmosphere” leading to “experience”. And that atmosphere was to be so “anointed” that people would just be compelled to pull in the parking lot and “experience” Christ and believe. Again no mention of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I was wrong in my acceptance of that which I have repented of and as we were in the middle of learning “antiphonal” (IHOP Style) singing it became more and more evident that we were on the wrong track. As worship leader I denounce and firmly stated that I could not be apart of this and got out of that ministry. Red flags went up everywhere for me.
Again, I felt that the main issue was that it was all a man-made-vain-imagination program that had very little to do with anything, taking O.T. rituals and trying to reinstute what Jesus set us free from.
July 23, 2008 at 10:13 am
sadparent
Tim, I read your comments and saw where you were a worship leader. Praise God your eyes were opened and you were given the opportunity to escape! I pray your eyes continue to remain open and that you would be able to share, and thus help others’ eyes to become opened as well.
My son is probably still a worship leader at IHOP (wouldn’t know since it’s been 10 months since I’ve heard from him) and I PRAY, PRAY, PRAY that God would OPEN his eyes to the massive error there.
(Oooohhh! Hey! This might be my personal “prayer furnace”!)
Julia, prayer is very much an automatic part of my life. I don’t pray to ask for this, ask for that etc. etc. etc. But I do pray to commune with God. Good point you made there.
The difference being is that I don’t need to go into a certain building or place to do it (as I’m scheduled to be there) and I don’t ask my friends and acquaintences to send me “support” money sooooo that I can continue to pray and serve Him. i.e. be an “intercessory missionary”. No, I guess that you could call me an UNPAID INTERCESSOR. (Feel free to send money any time you want)
I go with that thing about praying in secret… and God always rewards openly. Always.
Oh, I almost forgot, there’s no ‘wow’ feeling to it at all. No different than if I’d called my Dad or Mom on the phone. It’s just a ”hey, I love you and wanted you to know that” thing. And ”what can I do for you today? Show me who to speak to about you today and share what I have with them.”
No ”wow” feeling because even though I’m an intercessor, I’m still nothing without Him and I am so deeply grateful to Him.
SP
July 23, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Lily
Dear SP,
I was part of the IHOP world for over 2 years. I want to encourage you that your prayers for your son are being heard by our Great, Loving Father who knows how to bring people out of error and man made movements and into truth.
May our Lord Jesus comfort and strengthen your heart in faith as you wait. Your son is blessed to have a loving, praying mom. I pray for your son too.
Lily
July 23, 2008 at 11:55 pm
sadparent
Lily,
I just got home from work and read your kind thoughts and comment. I truly do thank you for lifting my son in prayer. I have entered a time in my spiritual life when I know the answer is in God’s hands and though I knew this before as well, it was difficult to “let go and let God”. As I said above, we’re at 10 months of complete non-communication – all courtesy of counsel from high atop the IHOP ladder.
OK, so I stand off at a distance waiting, waiting, waiting and in the meanwhile, praising, praising, praising. Praising God in advance for His answer to this prayer. And… if they end up going to this Washington DC shin-dig, I hope and pray God would send someone to witness to them while they’re there. And that their eyes would eventually be opened wide!
Thank you again. Blessings to you!
SP
July 24, 2008 at 8:02 am
Kim
SP,
Is this Washington DC shin-dig from The Call, with Lou Engle? I am very concerned about this situation.
July 24, 2008 at 10:21 am
Lily
http://www.thecall.com/Group/Group.aspx?ID=1000016905
July 24, 2008 at 11:27 am
Lee
Yes, it’s Lou Engle at the Helm.
I cannot see anywhere on the site that the Gospel is to be preached. Here’s one quote:
“The Call supports and endorses all Christian organizations that espouse its values:
· Worship
· Unity
· Prayer
· Fasting
· Follow Up
· Transformation
· Repentance
· Reconciliation
· Impartation
· Equipping
· Revival
· Revolution”
No Gospel. And, what will be “imparted” at this gathering? And, who’s repenting and for whom?
And, Lou has a piece titled “God has a dream” obviously borrowed from MLK’s “I Have a dream.” So, Lou knows what God dreams? I know what Jesus commanded and that was to ‘make disciples of all nations.’
July 25, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Julia Palermo
I will reply to this by Sadparent –
“Julia, prayer is very much an automatic part of my life. I don’t pray to ask for this, ask for that etc. etc. etc. But I do pray to commune with God. Good point you made there.
The difference being is that I don’t need to go into a certain building or place to do it (as I’m scheduled to be there) and I don’t ask my friends and acquaintences to send me “support” money sooooo that I can continue to pray and serve Him. i.e. be an “intercessory missionary”. No, I guess that you could call me an UNPAID INTERCESSOR. (Feel free to send money any time you want)
I go with that thing about praying in secret… and God always rewards openly. Always.
Oh, I almost forgot, there’s no ‘wow’ feeling to it at all. No different than if I’d called my Dad or Mom on the phone. It’s just a ”hey, I love you and wanted you to know that” thing. And ”what can I do for you today? Show me who to speak to about you today and share what I have with them.”
No ”wow” feeling because even though I’m an intercessor, I’m still nothing without Him and I am so deeply grateful to Him.”
I’ll bet evangelism is part of your day too because you love Jesus and believe you are to be part of the Great Commission, right? But you don’t go to a certain country or place to do it and you don’t ask your friends to send you money to support you as a missionary! So I guess you would be called an “UNPAID MISSIONARY”. Yes, we should all pray and intercede and we should all evangelize the lost. This does not mean we should all be intercessory missionaries, evangelists or foreign missionaries. These are specific calls for people. Just because I’m called to be an intercessor as my primary function does not make me any more special than you or any more of an intercessor than you are, it’s just what God has asked me to do as a job. I pray most of the time in my room or my kitchen. I do my sacred trust at IHOP because I have agreed to be placed on the wall there as part of the staff. There is something in the Bible about the power of 2 or 3 gathered in agreement. I mean, your argument is ludicrious. You go to a certain building to have church and fellowship. There is nothing wrong with going to a building to pray.
Here is the big secret – Everyone has been wondering what happened to the ark of the covenant. It’s actually back stage in the prayer room in Mike’s office. When you reach a certain level of leadership you are allowed to go back there and listen to Mike sing the psalms over it. There you go – I blew the lid off the whole thing. We really are the literal Tabernacle of David.
July 25, 2008 at 9:40 pm
stephanie
I have been following this ‘discussion’ and finally decided to chime in with my thoughts on the matter.
I think it would be unproductive to sit here, 30 comments later, and correct every accusation that has been made against IHOP because I don’t have the time to do so and you, it appears, would not have the inclination to read it. So, I am simply going to say a few things I have observed.
Arguing that it is wrong to gather to pray at IHOP is synonymous with saying it is wrong to pray in church before the start of the message or service. Your argument does not seem to be in our gathering to pray, but your argument seems to lie in the fact that we have made it our lifestyle to gather and pray.
This distinction is extremely important. You say it’s important because you can’t be called to pray in the manner in which we are called. I disagree. I think the true reason many of you are bothered by this is because you are convicted.
It is obvious that many of you have great callings in the Lord to study His word and seek out truth; however, you seem to be so busy finding fault in others callings, ministries, and actions that you are distracted away from the very one who called you. We at IHOP admit to being weak and broken and nothing particularly special. However, we are doing our best to seek a radical devotion to the life to which we are called – pursuing God through the place of prayer. Perhaps if you focused more of your energies there, you would feel less outrage at those of us who are called to be prayer missionaries.
It is obvious we will have difficultly agreeing on this particular topic when the only way to discuss our points is through this medium of the written word. Please know that what I said was out love and was not meant as judgmental, but as a loving, sisterly rebuke. If I was judgmental then I apologize.
July 25, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Lee
Your argument does not seem to be in our gathering to pray, but your argument seems to lie in the fact that we have made it our lifestyle to gather and pray.
My argument is not about a lifestyle of prayer. One can do this at home or anywhere for that matter. My issues are based on the post:
1) the initial justification came from a word from Bob Jones who is a false prophet [he’s provided other ‘foundational revelation’ along with Paul Cain as the KC prophets to Bickle’s Metro Christian Fellowship — a precursor to IHOP]. So, given that by Jones’ own words that prophets will only be 2/3rds true at best [that itself was a ‘revelation from the Lord’], how can one be sure of any of his prophesies?
2) the Biblical justification for the the 24 hour worship ‘word’ from Jones is from a misinterpretation of scripture [Acts 15:16-17]. I believe this was a case of trying to make it fit somewhere in scripture and this was the closest thing.
3) while later corrected on IHOP’s website, the error was not corrected by Bickle on the archived Charisma article which resurfaced last month. If IHOP/Bickle were really concerned about this error, why didn’t someone correct the Charisma article?
4) the correction on IHOP’s website did not go far enough since it did not address the error regarding the veil-less Ark. Since Jesus is the Word made flesh obviously the Word of God is very important. With this in mind, shouldn’t IHOP want to correct any teaching that does not line up exactly with scripture?
5) since scripture speaks of praying without ceasing on more than one occasion, why the need to try to make the OT Tabernacle of David a justification for 24 hour prayer? Why not just simply start a 24 hour prayer church? The initial language, and the language still in the Charisma article refer to a “restoration” of the ToD which has been corrected on the site to “in the spirit” of the ToD. This is a distinction with a difference.
6) the Ark of the Covenant was symbolic of God’s presence. With Jesus’ shed blood the veil was physically torn in Herod’s temple and symbolically the way was cleared for each and every believer to come directly to the throne of God. Since this is the case, why refer to an OT practice when we are in the New Covenant?
July 25, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Lee
Julia,
“Here is the big secret – Everyone has been wondering what happened to the ark of the covenant. It’s actually back stage in the prayer room in Mike’s office. When you reach a certain level of leadership you are allowed to go back there and listen to Mike sing the psalms over it. There you go – I blew the lid off the whole thing. We really are the literal Tabernacle of David.”
This is newsworthy indeed! Most have assumed the Ark was destroyed in 586 BC! Why hasn’t the press been notified? Who are the lucky leaders who’ve actually seen the Ark?
July 26, 2008 at 8:08 am
Tim H
“… blew the lid off the whole thing. We really are the literal Tabernacle of David.”
Eventually the truth does come out indeed. Knew it all along…
July 26, 2008 at 8:36 am
Kim
Stephanie,
No one here is against prayer or a life devoted to it. In fact we are to pray all the time. It is part of our spiritual armor. That is why Ephesians 6:18 says “Pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.”
The Bible is full of instruction on how to pray, and the above verse tells us to be alert while we pray. This verse is opposite of the teachings of the contemplative mystics who teach to focus on a presence, or to repeat a phrase over and over again.
Rebukes are to be followed with scripture for proof so now consider the passage in Matthew.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
We are not to be like the heathen who repeat words or phrases over and over again. Jesus himself calls this vain. This is eastern meditation regardless of the words you use. The mystics have said that it doesn’t matter what word or phrase you use whether it be “om” or “Jesus”. It is the repetition that creates a stillness because there is no thought.
Corporate prayer is fine, but our prayer in secret pleases the Lord. We do not need to use many words or babble, or pray because we will be heard by others.
We should address our prayers to the Father, and praise his name. We are to do his will and ask him for our needs. The Lords Prayer that Jesus gives us, is a perfect example of prayer. Praise, thanks, and petition is a pattern i like to follow.
July 26, 2008 at 9:43 am
Kim
Julia,
“I do my sacred trust at IHOP because I have agreed to be placed on the wall there as part of the staff.”
What is “sacred trust” and what is being “placed on the wall?” I am trying to reconcile these phrases biblically.
July 26, 2008 at 11:49 am
Lily
I have not written the above posts because I am convicted.
Please prayerfully and carefully consider the following:
Did our Lord Jesus Christ, our ultimate perfect model live His life on earth as a “intercessory missionary” involved in a 24-7 prayer ministry?
Did the disciples or the Apostles live their lives on earth as “intercessory missionaries” involved in 24-7 prayer ministry?
When you read the NT scriptures and let them speak (without adding verses from the OT and “prophetic words” from any man) do they teach you to spend 8-10 hours a day in a room praying?
Please ask the Lord Jesus to guide you into all truth.
IHOP is built upon the directional prophecies of Bob Jones among others. He states that a prophet only has be accurate some of the time because they are immature and the church cannot handle 100% accuracy.
THIS IS REVELATION IN DIRECT OPPOSTION TO THE WORD OF GOD.
The scriptures in Deuteronomy and Jeremiah tell us that a true Prophet of the Lord gets it accurate 100% of the time. The standard did not change with the NT.
Please do not take any persons word for it but seek out these matters prayerfully for yourself. If you want to know the TRUTH, living and written, you will.
http://thegreycoats.wordpress.com/the-vindication-of-ernie-gruen/
Lily
PS Please prayerfully and carefully read Kim’s post above, especially note the highlighted verses from Matthew 6.
August 1, 2008 at 9:19 pm
natrimony
Lee,
Linked here from a comment at Zack’s place. He didn’t take too kindly to your research. I found it rather eye-opening though. Thanks.
August 2, 2008 at 6:17 am
Lee
Nat,
Yes, that was brought to my attention by two other individuals. It seems Zack dismissed it out of hand.
I’m waiting for a real substantive challenge.
August 3, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Lee
Miriam also posted this on her site here:
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/confusion-on-the-davidic-tabernacle-ihop-mike-bickle/
August 17, 2008 at 11:22 am
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August 17, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Kim
Please visit truthspeakers site. click on the pingback comment, far left or below.
http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/is-ihop-a-cult/
Thank you truthspeaker.
August 17, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Lee
Thanks Joanne!
August 16, 2009 at 7:28 am
Craig
Apparently, IHOP took down their “Affirmations and Denials” pages; so, the link is broken. The two Charisma links are broken; but here are new urls:
The original article from August 31, 2000:
http://charismamag.com/index.php/columns/265-passion-for-jesus/507-enjoyable-prayer
From April 25, 2008:
http://charismamag.com/index.php/charisma-channels/prayer/18744
August 16, 2009 at 7:35 am
Craig
Correction:
IHOP’s url has moved. Here’s the new one:
http://www.ihop.org/Articles/1000050149/International_House_of/About_Us/Our_Beliefs/Affirmations_and_Denials.aspx
September 18, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Carol Gay
Lee,
Maybe it is your job to bring light to the correction? Maybe others are not aware of it. As we grow in truth sometimes we aren’t aware of our past doctrinal errors. Let all be done in a spirit of love and forgiveness not in a pointing of a judgmental finger. I do believe that IHOP is a part of the ‘restoration’ of Davids Tabernacle. It may be a small part as MB reiterates, however it is a part. It is by no means ‘perfected’. God will perfect that which concerns us. Thank God we can pour out our hearts before him as we behold this mess on Planet Earth. Thank God we can gaze at HIS lovely face and behold his beauty in a time when the POOP is hitting the fan. Thank you Jesus that you are the only thing perfect that I can see, so I will fix my gaze upon you for your beloved bride has eyes only for you, doves eyes your beloved has doves eyes, and behold her eyes they are looking to you !!!
September 18, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Carol Gay
Lee,
Think about it? What are the biblical activities that believers partake in that cause them to stand out in the world. The bible talks about two specific groups of people, the righteous and the sinners. Sinners rightly don’t go around praying and worshiping God. Some other forms of religions may pray or worship, but these are the activities of those who profess to believe in God, they worship and they pray. I believe that the ‘Restoration’ of Davids Tabernacle is the restoration of these activities in the earth. They will also be distinct activities that set apart those who know God and don’t, especially when God begins to judge the earth. We trust that God knows what he is doing. Yes, some people do try to control God through their prayers, but this is not what I am talking about. Read Psalms 149 & 150. When we worship God we are proclaiming him as the Coming King. He has already finished the work by dying on the cross. We acknowledge that by worshiping and praying to him. When we can stand back and watch a world fall apart at the seams because of a faulty foundation knowing that we stand upon the Rock of our salvation, God is glorified and he can do what he wants to do. We are not standing in the way, we are just cheering God on in his triumphant battle of the end of the age. Who is this King of Glory, well, it is the Lord Strong and Mighty in Battle this is the King of Glory Psalms 24, and the God I worship and pray to.
Hallowed be Thy Name. . . Thy Kingdom Come Thy Will Be Done !!
Shalom !
Ps I think IHOP is a part of this restoration because of the simple fact that it is modeling worship and prayer, even if it is not in a ‘perfect’ state or flavor. . . again God WILL perfect that which concerns us !!! Wow ! Lift up your heads Oh Ye Gates and the King of Glory will come in !!!
I open my heart/my door to the One and Only true God even as Jesus showed me the Way, the Life, and the Truth concerning this. . .
September 18, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Carol Gay
The primary goal of much of the ministry of the church is to prepare the church for the end of the age harvest. Lou does preach the gospel, however his ministry is to point the already believing in Yeshua to a life of devotion to heaven, because God is preparing His bride for a very intense time of ministry in the end of the age harvest. If we do not have our eyes so fixed on the lord we will not make it. For MANY will be offended in that day and opps lose the battle. . . and to the one who over comes I will give these promises (Rev).. I will give the right to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God, . . . he will not be hurt by the second death. . . I will give to eat of the hidden manna, give him a white stone with a new name on it. . . power over the nations, clothing of white raiment, his name shall not be blotted out. . . I will grant him to sit with me in my throne. . . hum sounds like a lot of responsibility there. . . not one that is easily given over to one with criticisms or complaining in their spirit. . . we need to have our eyes fixed on Jesus in these hard times or we will simply miss out on these promises. . . .
September 18, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Carol Gay
Help us God !
September 18, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Craig "Lee"
Carol Gay:
I formerly blogged under my middle name “Lee;” but, now I’m using my first name. For the sake of clarity I’ll answer your comments using both names.
With this article, my intention WAS to bring light of the error/correction. There were enough IHOP readers of the above article to get the word to Mike Bickle. Since Bickle is the original perpetrator of the error it is encumbent on him to correct it to the best of this ability. Remember, teachers are held to higher accountability.
You wrote: Let all be done in a spirit of love and forgiveness not in a pointing of a judgmental finger.
So, you accuse me of “pointing a judgmental finger?” Are you not doing this same thing to me? That’s a bit hypocritical, don’t you think?
Do you have scripture to back up your belief regarding the “‘restoration’ of David’s Tabernacle?’ Absent that, your view is pure conjecture at best. With Bickle’s ToD originating from a ‘prophetic word’ given to the heretic Bob Jones, the whole thing is outside the Word of God. As I point out in the article: given that with Jone’s own assertion that NT prophecies are correct 2/3rds of the time at best, how can anyone be sure of ANY ‘prophecy?’ Could this be one of the ‘blanks’ ‘God loaded’ — as, again, per the words of Bob Jones?
The rest of what you write is obviously from Bickle’s heretical and dangerous ‘Bridal Paradigm.’ We are collectively the bride of Christ metaphorically, yet we are NOT individually the literal bride of Christ. Song of Songs is meant to be interpreted literally as the love of a man and his wife. Equating some of the rather intimate verses in the Song or Songs/Solomon as Christ’s romantic love for us is blasphemy. Jesus’ love for us is the form of agape love NOT romantic.
September 18, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Craig "Lee"
I believe that the ‘Restoration’ of Davids Tabernacle is the restoration of these activities in the earth. They will also be distinct activities that set apart those who know God and don’t, especially when God begins to judge the earth.
You’ve just hit the crux of the whole IHOP thing — the elitist thinking. So, if one is not a part of IHOP one doesn’t ‘know God?’ Once again, show me some Bible verses(s) which prove your stance that IHOP is fulfilling some prophecy as to restoring the ToD.
September 18, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Craig "Lee"
…not one that is easily given over to one with criticisms or complaining in their spirit…
Once again, it’s that ‘critical spirit’ of yours criticizing me for pointing out error…
June 19, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Craig Lee
Mike Bickle speaks of a convergence of streams here:
http://mikebickle.org/resources/resource/2932
Bickle’s talk is about 80 minutes long
Interestingly, at just after the 30 minute mark he goes back to his usual misapplication of Amos 9:11-12 to justify his Tabernacle of David 24/7 prayer contradicting IHOP’s own correction on the Affirmations and Denials page. In addition, Bickle claims that Amos 9:14-15 was already fulfilled in May of 1948 with the rebirth of the nation Israel. This event — using his eisegesis — is the catalyst for the (false) ToD movement which will culminate in the return of Jesus. So, yes Bickle’s ToD is an endtimes prayer movement ushering in the return of Christ, or, more
accurately the emergence of the antichrist.
Bickle briefly mentions Count von Zinzendorf of the Moravians as an influence of his 24/7 prayer movement. Zinzendorf and the Moravians instituted 24/7 prayer back in the 17th century. However, Zinzendorf was a gnostic, a Rosicrucian and a Mason. For more info see two articles written by guests on Truthspeaker’s blog:
http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/category/rosicrucians/
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