Gnosticism, spiritual warfare
and pride.
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I would like to pass on this article by Mary D. Valentine who wrote to Discernment-Ministries.
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A Rotten Apple
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Mary Diane Valentine, PhD
Thank you for your archived newsletters. These have been very helpful in discerning my own deceptions. Of course, I am concerned about others but I am cleaning up my own house.
In January 2003 I attended a meeting where James Goll was preaching and selling his teaching tapes. I did not know very much about him or the group he associated with. Charismatic Christian seemed okay to me. It was at this meeting I was asking God to show me discerning of spirits. This request has since led me through a maze of overlapping tunnels into the darkness of my own deceptions about some Christian teachings I had embraced. I didn’t know it at the time but that prayer would bring me into a light I hadn’t seen for many years.
As I questioned different spiritual happenings and teachings I had previously accepted, I aggravated a number of my Christian buddies, prayer partners for many years. These relationships had sustained me in times of struggle but also held me captive to false assumptions about the charismatic life. I lost a friend over the “gold dust.” She had this phenomenon and wanted me to accept this as something from the Lord. I hadn’t really known anyone who had this and at first thought it was all right. I studied the Scriptures and could not rationalize this to be God’s work even though it sounded so good. To my knowledge, she still has this manifestation although I sent her the biblical rationale for why this could not be God’s way. It’s been a cool relationship since. I aggravated a whole audience of Charisma devotees when I wrote a letter about the Narnia films and how I argued these to be from the dark side. Charisma disagreed. Well, I didn’t know those people so that wasn’t so bad. But I lost others along the way as well.
I don’t want to go over each situation of a deception revealed in this although I will mention the spirit of Jezebel. I’d heard these teachings for many years and it’s another popular latter rain thing. I don’t know exactly how it fits into their theological paradigm, but when I did a word study, I found no spirit of Jezebel, only behaviors. These are behaviors no Christian should desire and we should be observant if others are behaving like Jezebel. It came to me that as charismatics or Pentecostals, we should be careful what we call a spirit otherwise we will find ourselves in wrong teaching, what I later learned as the Gnostic Christian area. The search for the spirit of Jezebel and finding none helped me continue questioning. I had cast aside the generational curse thing and the binding and loosing formulas in prior years along with other skewed interpretations of Scripture. The process has been several years in the making.
It’s been since this last August that the veil on Gnosticism has really lifted. Yes, I had seen quite a bit and knew the spiritual harlotry I had been involved in but something else was not clear. That is how I found your site – I did a search on Google about spiritual warfare.
Before searching out the validity of warfare teachings, I was in a situation of trying to discover why things were not happening in my life. I reasoned it was because I was in warfare, that I was not getting my prayers answered. My spiritual friends prayed and agreed. We went into warfare for months with many manifestations and confirmations I might add.
Thinking can drive us into deception, but also lead us out. I had several nagging questions that kept coming to me. Why didn’t Paul or Peter have to pray this way to get things to happen? Why is it now we learn of this? Why aren’t people having victory if this really works?
When I started pursuing answers, it’s so obvious to me now. I had been living in the wrong paradigms here. These were Gnostic ones but I hadn’t understood what the Gnostic teachings were really about. I had been duped by the Gnostic paradigmatic world I was choosing to be in. Of course, I couldn’t see the difference then. I had on the Gnostic glasses and viewed the Gnostic Christian teachings as “the norm.” In communication theory this is called cognitive dissonance, meaning any information that contradicts what you already know or believe becomes discarded because you don’t want to be in dissonance or inner conflict with yourself. Because I was experiencing cognitive dissonance, I was not able to see how deep into the Gnosticism belief system I had gone. Although I was wearing a milder prescription of Gnostic glasses since I had seen some of the deceptive teachings, I hadn’t come totally away from the Gnostic Christians. When I got the revelation about the spiritual warfare teaching errors, the Gnostic glasses fell off entirely. I no longer experienced any cognitive dissonance in studying the deceptions surrounding this popular teaching on spiritual warfare. I no longer sense oppression like I did before and it’s such a relief to know I am not going to have to be under a condemnation over the warfare routine. And it is a routine, much like the formulas of the word-faith movement.
Your archived newsletters have helped me understand the subtleties in these false teachings. Although I had thought I had gotten rid of extra biblical teachings with regard to the Third Wave, Latter Rain group, I realized this was part of that whole rotten apple I had been eating. I still had the apple in hand when I believed I was to participate in the spiritual warfare regimen. I am reading through your archived newsletters. I have checked out other sources as well to confirm what I now see so clearly.
In closing, I offer these thoughts. My sense of the problems I had stemmed from two sources. One was a lack of a good foundation to rightly discern the gifts of the Spirit along with the Word of God and the other was my indomitable pride. I liked being puffed up with the idea that I was called for something very special. I had received many prophecies about my position in the Body of Christ. I like position; I was in the elite group. I like being elite; that was my pride showing off. I wanted to be spiritual and with the spiritual ones. More pride. I wanted insider knowledge on what God was doing. I wanted to be anointed and that was pride. I sure believed I could conquer any foe out there because God was on my side. And I wanted my own way with God. All this comes to my desire for power and I see that now. My weakness of pride was a pull, like the force of gravity, toward the Gnostic Christians. These teachings fed my weakness and desire to be elite, have power and be “in the know.” None of that sounds like a humble servant, nor was I.
To me, knowing the weakness of how I got there is equally important to understanding the false teachings. If I had not experienced the weakness problem, I doubt I would have taken one bite of the rotten apple – the latter rain teachings. For me, it’s been more than finding out truth but repenting of my pride and all the things involved in it. And I’m not afraid of saying that publicly.
In my diet of rotten apple teachings, I did not feed myself enough truth from the word of God. I ate lies, which fed my pride and not my soul. 1 Peter 4:14 gives me biblical authority over the false Gnostic teachings. “If you are reproached for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.” I now know I don’t have to go seeking the glory because it rests on me. That itself speaks volumes to my soul. Very simply, the appeal of the truths of God in the Scripture is much more comforting and freeing than any peel on that rotten apple.
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November 24, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Zoe
Kim,
I began reading your blog about a two weeks ago. I can identify with everything that Mary Valentine says. I began attending a charismatic church on a weeknight because the church I belonged to was very dry and no one seemed to worship. I went because I enjoyed the worship time and I didn’t really thing much about the teaching. It was all about how apostles and prophets were being restored, about finding one’s destiny, about being an army to take the city, etc. I had never heard this kind of teaching and they used the Bible, but not very much and it was usually out of context. I ignored it because the worship was so good but I began to realize it was so self-centered. It was like an addiction. I went because it felt good emotionally and people would prophecy over everyone that they would do great things for God. It was a pride thing and I didn’t realize it for a long time. I began researching some of the guest speakers and found out about latter rain ministries, oneness Pentecostals, and the new apostolic ministry. (That’s when I found your blog.) Almost everyone who came to speak at this church was related to these ministries. The Pastor of calls himself and apostle and has some churches under his wing. I can’t believe I didn’t notice all this was happening. I feel really foolish now. I will never go back there. I feel so unclean. Please pray for me that any influences from the enemy would be brought to light in my life. Thank you for this website. Keep up the good work!- Zoe
November 25, 2007 at 12:02 am
IWanthetruth
Zoe,
I am incouraged by your testamony and want to say that since you desire to have the “influences from the enemy brought to light in my life” I believe He has and will continue to do as you desire.
My own testamony starts in Aug. of 06. I had been a part of the Pentecostal Church or denomination for over 30 years. I was saved and baptised (water) in the Baptist Church and had some excellent foundational biblical teaching in my early walk. I later believe I recieved the “Infilling of the Holy Spirit” as in Acts. I still do believe that the Gifts are for today but that they MUST operate properly according to the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles. There is way to much abuse today in this area. Don’t mis-understand me, I had some excellent teaching all these years but as of Aug 06, I began to get a “red flag”, if you will, about a specific ministry in the church I was attending.
I am a worship leader and I was getting hooked up with a ministry who’s foundation was of the Latter Rain theology. As my wife and I began to get more involved the “redder” the flag got. I began to research just what I was getting into and thank the Lord, He showed me His truth. That is also how I found this blog along with many others.
I began to re-read the things that were used from the scriptures as proof texts for many of these peoples teaching and found that many, many, times what was used for their proof was taken out of context and really was mis-interpreted. After much research I found that this Latter Rain heresy was all through the ministry of the church and I have subsequently, left the church I attended for the past 12 years and in search of another that will endeavor to preach and teach the word properly.
I pray that the Lord will continue to open your eyes as well as mine to His truth and in doing so become closer to our understanding of who Christ is. To love those around us and be an example of the Living Lord so that others might have the same opportunity of meeting and accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. My He be exalted and glorified above all else.
Blessings
IWant
November 25, 2007 at 4:33 am
Kim
Zoe,
Thank you for your comment. I also believe that the Lord has opened your eyes and this is because of your love of the truth and discernment.
With me also, it was the Latter Rain heresy that started my studies. I was contacted by a local group to attend their meeting, and i heard in the spirit, “Stay Away From Them”. Whoa!! I stayed away but have been studying ever since.
I thank you for reading my blog but make sure you go to the other websites on the blogroll. There is so much information out there. I will pray for discernment and wisdom for you and all of us who seek the Lord.
November 25, 2007 at 9:05 am
JeN
I dabbled in the charismatic “stuff” for almost 10 years. In the early 90’s I had friends who kept telling me that I had to speak in tongues. All of these people seemed so happy and I was going through a heavy duty depression. I looked a little further. ( I actually had a good base doctrinally in the Evangelical Presbyterian church when I was a young Christian and I drifted away from that.) We ended up in the Foursquare church. Oh my goodness. We were mostly going there because we liked the people. We were also being fed heresy and as time went on there was more and more confusion. People would “prophesy” over others and the church and they were never right. People said that my husband wasn’t being healed because he didn’t have enough faith. People were falling all over the place and it was full of emotion. I got to the point where I did not know what I believed. I couldn’t even sit through one of the pastor’s sermons without getting angry. Could I lose my salvation, do we have free will or are we chosen, did I have to speak in tongues in order to be saved, what is the timing of the rapture etc? I was in a panic about all of these questions about 3 years ago. Why couldn’t the pastor see the difference between the catholic church and protestant church? Why did he think “The Passion” was such a great movie? I did alot of reading and actually ended up doctrinally where I had started 20 years earlier. I am very comfortable with what I believe at this point. I WILL NOT go close to a charismatic church, I do not want to hear crazy prophecies, I don’t want to hear how all I have to do is think it and it will happen, I don’t want to hear about how the Christians are supposed to be taking over the world. It is all a bunch of lies. We left the church in early 2005. The pastor won’t even speak to us and told people that we were bad Christians. I suppose he believes we have lost our salvation, if we even had it in the first place, since we left HIS church. Unfortunately it has gotten to the point that we can’t find a church in this town where we are comfortable. We were burned so badly by these people that we won’t put ourselves in a position where it could happen again. I suppose we were put through this whole experience to give us deeper discernment.
November 25, 2007 at 10:36 am
IWanthetruth
JeN,
That is me right now. I left a FourSquare Church that was a mixture of Latter Rain and Purpose Driven Life. I was active as a worship leader and led the worship for the past 7 years for the 8am service. When I left I basically retired, not really telling the pastor or staff why I was leaving. Last Sunday I went back just to make sure I made the right decision (I have) and the pastor didn’t even acknowledge me nor did any of the other staff.
I too am having a problem finding a church that seems to be right on….
Were not alone….
Blessings
November 27, 2007 at 8:59 am
das1217
JeN/IWant
We too are in that place of “no church to call home”. And we too are in that place of “lost fellowship with friends”. We live in a fairly small town and believe it or not there are thirteen churches here. Some are out simply because they are Mormon or Catholic. I would ask you IWant and others – what is so wrong with the simple truth of the Word of God. I have been saying for a very long time now: The Word of God is not hard, we make it hard by all of these things that we in our minds think are a part of the world of Christianity. The prophetic, the 40 days of Purpose, the 24/7 prayer, the New Apostolic, and so much more that is out there is just downright crazy. I have not had the foundational teachings planted for much more than seven years. I am amazed at the last year of my life asking questions and beginning to see all of the error and heresy in much of these current movements. And yet I am very, very thankful that for whatever reason my eyes are being opened more and more every day. It was nice to discover there are others that have walked this too. I thank you for sharing these things and pray for you (even as I pray for myself) that the real truth of the Word of God will continue to cause all of us to seek Him and Him alone. Psa 33:4 For the word of the Lord is right, And all His work is done in truth.
November 27, 2007 at 10:38 am
IWanthetruth
das1217,
“I would ask you IWant and others – what is so wrong with the simple truth of the Word of God. I have been saying for a very long time now: The Word of God is not hard, we make it hard by all of these things that we in our minds think are a part of the world of Christianity.
Exactly, as I look back at what I was involved in and then compare that to what I am seeing, now that my eyes have been opened, it all comes down to self. Everything I did or experinced I thought was all in the name of the Lord, but ultimately it was all in the name of “IWant”. How funny, I just realized that even my blog name has “I” in it. It was all about the “experience”, all about getting that “goosebump” feeling and feeling important as I “prophesied”, etc. and led others in worship and the “kudos” and “pats on the back”. Boy was I in the wrong. Thank you Lord for your forgiveness as I have had to repent.
Don’t get me wrong, I still am a continuist, but man has my outlook on all of this changed in the past year. I was talking to my son-in-law this past Sunday about these things and he made a statement that as I thought about it, I felt the same way. He said, “If he never experienced the “Gift of the Spirit” or “manifestation” of the Holy Spirit in a corporate setting again, that was ok because he knew that the Holy Spirit is moving in his life everyday and that sufficed for him.” It really made me think about that and how grateful I am for the personal relationship I have with Christ everyday of my life. It may be at times a disciplinary relationship at times, or a learning to trust, or whatever the Lord may be doing on that specific day, but is an on-going relationship and I have learned the voice of God by reading and studying His Word.
Blessings on you and I will be praying for you that you are able to find a place to fellowship in the simplicity of the Word.
IWant
November 27, 2007 at 11:04 am
das1217
IWant
That statement that your son-in-law said is so appropriate for me right now. I truly believe I have had more clarity and more recognition of the personal relationship I have with Christ in the last few months since I have sought discernment, truth and wisdom in all of these areas. In particular the last year of my life has been about “experience” and “feeling” and I am so grateful that I am clawing and climbing my way out of the hole of deception. I know that God is putting foundational steps under my feet to help me. Being someone who truly has never known anything other than the majority of those things I listed earlier, it has been hard. I have nowhere at this moment to turn except to the Word of God and a few blogs on the internet that serve to remind me I am not nuts. There are many people whose eyes are being opened and for a multitude of reasons.
November 27, 2007 at 8:23 pm
IWanthetruth
das1217,
I have been really getting back into the scriptures as well and it is amazing how I am in a place of clarity as I read. I mean, that before when I was in the deception it was as if I had some kind of blinders on or in a fog and though I read, I wasn’t. Now that I have begun to see the truth, it’s as if the fog has been lifted and the word has become much more alive and meaningful and understandable.
I grew up as a Baptist and have to say that I am amazed and grateful that the good teaching that I recieved in those days (1965 – 1970) is really coming back. It was good “sound doctrine” and that “foundation” was laid as I learned the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles (biblical Apostles).
Sad part was my departure into the deception. Somewhere in there I believed the twisted word that Satan threw at me. I am not sure when that happened but I think it must have been sometime in the last 10-15 years. In fact I think it might have been when I ended up under the leadership of a man that was the music director of an AG Church and he was into the “prophetic” worship teachings. I must admit he did tell me to beware of the other teachings that were being taught along with this concept of “prophetic” worship. But still it had to do with the “Restoration of the Tabernacle of David” stuff which is part of the Latter Rain teaching.
Then I get involved in a church that is being very successful (numbers game) and is very much a “Purpose Driven Life” model church. Then more recently teaching from the writings of those in the “Emergent Church”. Well, thanks be to God that I have begun to see the “light”!
I really believe that God is seperating the “wheat from the chaff” in a sense from the deception and saving his “elect” from falling. It was not my own doing but His. Thank you Lord! So I pray that the Lord will continue to open our eyes to discernment, truth and wisdom.
Blessings
IWant
PS: You are not nuts and you are not alone…
November 28, 2007 at 6:13 am
das1217
IWant
Thank you. Right now where I live I am nuts (according to everyone else) and I am alone. But that’s ok. You see, I have only been a Christian for seven years and I had Sunday School and “church” when I was a kid. Nothing I could even remember. Many years ago I might add. However, my exposure from the time I accepted Christ as my Savior until about 2-3 months ago I was nothing but the Charismatic/Prophetic etc. Actually the last year of my life has totally been involved with (not at) but with IHOP. I want to scream for the time I have devoted in all of those teachings and now cannot stand to even hear any of those voices let alone their teachings.
So here’s the deal. It truly started with two words – perfect and mature. From the time I became a Christian until today, for some odd reason, the Lord has encouraged me to study definitions of words. I was listening to an IHOP teaching and the scripture used the word perfect. The one doing the teaching didn’t like that word so he substituted mature. He states that in the teaching. I went “wait a minute” do those two words mean exactly the same thing? So I researched them. I use Esword alot for this and have many dictionaries and many commentaries. What I found was interesting. I always look at a modern dictionary, ISBE, Nave’s, Strongs, all of those- BUT I also refer to the Websters from 1828. Better application for a spiritual use I think. And I discovered sometimes those two words are not interchangeable. Check it out for yourself. That really started a huge journey for me on many things but in particular the “Restoration of the Tabernacle of David”, the “Prophetic” and so on. Right now I am digging in my heels and by no means have it all figured out. Some days it hurts too hard to realize how duped I have been.
You are again correct. God is separating the wheat from the chaff. I believe He is demanding that we step back into the simple truth of salvation, the cross and the resurrection. All of the other stuff will fall into place in our pea brains when we get the reality of the fact that Christ died on the Cross for us.
I thank God every day when I have a scripture or comment thrown at me that references a scripture, that He is teaching me about context and about reading much more than just the one line verse that is used by others. I have been enlightened many times in the past few weeks. I am just barely beginning to know and understand things like Latter Rain, MSOG, cessationism, calvinism, etc. My priority being the Word.
I struggled with an illness for several years (now gone Thank the Lord) that left a side effect of memory issues. I tell you that only because I can’t quote scripture at the flip of a hat. However, through this process of the past few months I have discovered that the Word of God IS buried in my heart and I can find it when necessary. How Amazing is our God!!!!!
November 28, 2007 at 6:33 am
Mary
das1217,
I have really enjoyed reading your testimony. I have just begun to understand all the different terms you mentioned above in the last several months since blogging. It is great to hear God bring his own to solid ground. Hope you stick around.
November 28, 2007 at 7:20 am
IWanthetruth
Das1217 and Mary,
Well lets keep communicating and sharing. I believe we can be a good support, through prayer and sharing with one another, and help each other get through this time that the Lord is teaching us.
My dinner is ready and I need to go…Yummm turkey soup!
Blessings
IWant
November 28, 2007 at 8:01 am
das1217
Mary
thank you. I just started this blogging thing a couple of weeks ago and I have really learned alot. Because of all the questions I had I did a google on something and was flabbergasted at what I found. I am in the process of writing my own posts to tell my whole story. You can find me on wordpress. Not ready to broadcast to all just yet by posting a link. But a chickenscratch version of my whole story is there. Including before I became a Christian (some things I experienced)
I am very thankful God is bringing me to solid ground and I read of many others this is happening to. IWANT is right again. Through prayer and sharing we can and will continue to grow in our faith, our hope, our understanding of the Word of God and to challenge and encourage one another.
Bless you.
P.S. Hope your turkey soup was good IWant.
November 28, 2007 at 8:04 am
das1217
Mary/IWant
I also wanted to make a brief comment on the original post. The statement was made of “knowing the weakness of how I got there”. That really struck home with me because I had to figure that out too. It took me a long time to realize I was focused on all of the wrong things. Again Thank you Lord for opening my eyes.
November 29, 2007 at 8:22 am
sadparent
DAS,
You nailed it!
“God is separating the wheat from the chaff. I believe He is demanding that we step back into the simple truth of salvation, the cross and the resurrection. All of the other stuff will fall into place in our pea brains when we get the reality of the fact that Christ died on the Cross for us.”
I read that and I said, BINGO! Everyone is going to churches where they get an emotional high. I’ve been there myself! But what bothers me is that scripture that says that many will say to Him, Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophecy in your name? Didn’t we cast out demons? And then God says to them, ‘depart from me I NEVER knew you.
My son is there at IHOP (and I KNOW he loves the Lord!) but yet, he has received WISE council there and has determined that I, his mother, am ungodly. I am deceptive. He needs to protect his family from my negative influence..
WHY? Because I told him I had problems with the teachings at IHOP. I told him I disagreed with those teachings.
The “older and wiser council” basically told him to wait a year before honoring his mother..
VERY SCRIPTURAL!
Thanks a lot, IHOP. I pray ernestly that you reap what you’re sowing very quickly!
SAD,SAD Parent
November 29, 2007 at 8:23 am
sadparent
JeN,
I’m so thankful to God that your eyes have been opened. Post some more on what you’re realizing.
God bless you big time!
SP