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Perry Stone Embraces Necromancy which the Bible forbids….Why would God forbid it? Men are so easily deceived.
Here is a written transcript of the conversation.
Perry Stone:
What happened when you were called to preach, now? I want to go to that.
Fred Stone:
When I was there, this little cabin, Perry, that me and my dad had built. Dad had helped me in West Virginia, up in a lease area, out in Creek Cold company. And I was up there praying and seeking the face of God. And Al Collins, while I was praying, I heard footsteps; it was in the fall and there was leaves about four, five, six inches high. And I heard two or three steps behind the cabin—I’m sitting just like I am now. And I turned and looked around and bent my head like this, and before I could see anybody, a hand reached through—the right hand of a man—reached through the side of the cabin and touched me on the head. I thought it was an angel of the Lord; but actually, the spirit man of Al Collins had touched me, you know what I mean? And spoke to me about what God wanted me to know, and that the Lord wanted me to know this and that and the other. And, of course, I was so overcome by the Spirit that it probably took me an hour after this experience for it to just kind of wear off.
You know, Perry, supernatural experiences with God usually stay with people forever. They stay with you all your life. Now, they’re not as fresh, and they’re not as great upon your spirit man as they were for the first two or three years or something; but they’ll be there forever.
Perry Stone:
I remember when you told me—I mean, I’ve heard you tell that, actually, for years about how that you actually, when that hand touched you, you collapsed and thought you had a heart attack and came out of your body. Paul talked about in 2 Corinthians 12, “…whether in the body or out of the body, I cannot tell, God knows, such a one was caught up into the third heaven…” And so, there are experiences where it’s either a vision, or it actually is happening. And you went out, like, being sucked out into the universe somewhere, where you ended up, where it was a beautiful sapphire blue, and you described what happened there. You said that you saw a ball of light that looked like the size of a silver dollar, is that right? And Al stepped out of that, and pointed his finger at you, right?
Fred:
It was moving, Perry, it was so far in the universe I couldn’t estimate how far it was. And it was moving with the speed of a, it was like a lightning bolt. It was coming toward me so fast. But when it got from the size of my fist to the size of a person, but it was a ball of fire—a ball of light would be better, light and fire. And when it got so far from me, it just stopped moving, and the light just vanished and there stood Al Collins.
Perry:
And this is the friend that had passed away?
Fred:
Yeah, that’s correct.
Perry:
You’re out in the universe somewhere, though? I mean, way out, on the edge of eternity…
Fred:
And when he put his right hand out toward me, God let him speak to me.
Perry:
And he said what?
Fred:
And he didn’t waste any time, Perry. See, I wanted to ask him questions. What it was like, Al, what was it like to die? What was this and that? That’s what was on my mind, because we were these good friends. But I wasn’t permitted to do that. He looked me and put his hand out and he said, “Fred, God has sent me, God has sent me to tell you…” Excuse me, Perry. “…God has sent me to tell you that you’re called to preach. He’s called you to preach. And you must preach, you must go and you must preach and you must obey me.” And when he said that, the power of God came on me, Perry, and I couldn’t answer him. I couldn’t do nothing, I just trembled. I just shook under the power of God.
Perry:
And then, but you came back to yourself in that cabin.
Fred:
And one time he started to leave, and then something stopped him, and he told me he wasn’t finished. And he turned around and said it the second time, said the same thing.
Perry:
Wow.
Fred:
That let me know it was Al Collins. It was no spirit. It was the soul of Al Collins.
Perry:
Now, you had an experience, too, where you went, you saw into Heaven, and you saw books in Heaven, and that actually had photographs in them, or what looked like photographs, of the ministry of Jesus. Do you remember, can you remember that? So tell what happened though, that’s what’s interesting.
Fred:
Perry, I walked into this, I was praying and just carried out in the spirit, and I walked in…
Perry:
Now explain that for people that don’t understand. When you say, “carried out,” what happens?
Fred:
Well, the Holy Ghost just come on me so great, the Spirit of God moves on you so great, that He can do what He wants to do. He can show you anything He wants to show you. So while in the spirit man, I was on my knees in prayer, but in the spirit, my inner man walked into this great library.
Perry:
Literally, you saw this?
Fred:
Yeah, into this great library. And, Perry, it had books the size, the width of them was about like this, they were about this high.
Perry:
Was it about three, three and a half, three feet, maybe? Three feet?
Fred:
Yeah, three feet, they were. And one of them was called, “The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus.” And then there was another book there about Jesus, but I felt led to look at “The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus.” So I pulled it out, laid it in this table, it was a table with just, the most beautiful glistening white cover. And I laid it down, and when I opened the book, on the page it said, I opened the title page and it said, “The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus.” And I thought, “Well, I’ve never seen that book.” So I started opening it up, and as I did, there was great pages of His preaching.
Perry:
So, you could read it, and see it?
Fred:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Perry:
So, what do you think it was, Dad? Do you think it was the Holy Spirit, while Jesus was on earth, actually captured, somehow, for people to see one day, everything that He did?
Fred:
Well, you know, look what John said, he said, “There are many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself…” John 21.
Perry:
Wow. Right. So what did you see?
Fred:
Oh, it was like, the Sermon on the Mount; instead of just Matthew 5, 6, 7, it was other preaching that He did, that was with that.
Perry:
Wow. Now, in other words, when the Bible says, “Every word man gives an account of on that day,” He literally has words, apparently, in books or something…
Fred:
So the Holy Ghost put in the Bible what He wanted us to actually see and read of the words of Jesus. But Perry, there are, there could be millions of words of Christ and sermons of His. Just like with yourself, there’s been times when you’d start preaching in your meetings, that I would marvel because I knew what you were saying was not all notes. You weren’t quoting from notes. And I believe, Perry, that that’s where alot of preachers get so inspired today, that God just pulls some of the preaching of Jesus that’s not in the books of the New Testament and just puts it in their mouth, and they preach it, and people are saying, “Where in the world did that come from? I never heard that before.”
It has been interesting to observe who is teaching falsely and their progression. For instance look at a few of these quotes from Greg Laurie.
“How can a God of love send people to hell? God doesn’t send anyone to hell. We send ourselves there. Hell was never created for man but for the devil and his angels.” [How To Share Your Faith, p. 66, bold added, see also this same statement in how to live FOREVER, copyright 1999, p. 20]
Then there are his “void” and “loneliness” teachings which seem to be the essence of bad news….not sin.
“Before we can truly appreciate this good news though, we need to understand the bad news, which is a serious problem we all have.
“Every person is lonely – lonely in a way that relationships can’t fill . . . children can’t fill . . . friends can’t fill. I believe it’s a loneliness for God.” (Why Believe? p. xvi, Billy Graham Library Selection special edition, copyright 1995)”
“Besides “adding to” the gospel (Galatians 1:8-9; Proverbs 30:5-6) by adding a “void” that doesn’t exist, Laurie preaches the opposite of the gospel. God says, “The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God; God is in none of his thoughts.” (Psalm 10:4) “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, . . .” (Romans 1:28) And, “There is none who seeks after God.” (Romans 3:11) And, “An evil man seeks only rebellion.” (Proverbs 17:11; see also Romans 1:18-32; 3:10-18; Proverbs 14:2). Psalm 10:3 says the wicked “renounce the Lord.” John 3:20 says they hate the light (1 John 1:5). Romans 1:30 describes them as “haters of God.” They are not lonely for Him.”
Greg Laurie is also known for his affiliation with Rick Warren and the Saddleback Church. It seems evident that continued associations with false teachers escalates one’s own downfall.
Over the last five years I have also heard about the teachings of Chuck Missler. The opinions vary widely depending on one’s church background and how one perceives extra-biblical or edgy teachings. He seems to be basically well-liked by Pentecostals, Charismatics and those who are affiliated with the Calvary Church. But there are those in these denominations who are uncomfortable with him.
A quick look into some of his teachings rather shocked me. Here is an excerpt from “The Ten Virgins.”
“Later when the five foolish virgins came, they said, “Lord, Lord, open the door.” But he answered them saying, “I know you not” (Matthew 25:12).
“I Know You Not
“The Greek word used here for know is oida (Strong’s #1492), which means to see, to perceive or to “know intimately.” The Lord was saying to the five foolish virgins: “I don’t know you intimately; we don’t have a close relationship. If we did, you would have obeyed Me and brought more oil.” In other words, there was no fellowship between them. The Lord only knew them by observation.
“The five foolish virgins in this parable obviously are in heaven. But because they didn’t know (oida) the Lord intimately, He didn’t let them in to the wedding ceremony. They were not qualified to enter.”
The traditional teaching is that the door is closed to those who the Lord does not know. There is no entrance into heaven. But he has changed it to mean that the relationship was not intimate enough? That those He doesn’t know…”I know you not”…will gain entrance? Entrance into heaven but not the wedding feast?
I looked up Strongs #1942* and the words “know intimately” do not exist in the definition. Missler has the words in parenthesis which usually means an exact quote.
Next I watched a video about Missler’s Bible Codes that explained that 10 names in Genesis 5 spells out a prophecy of Jesus Christ. The combined meanings of the names of Adam, Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech and Noah…translate into this sentence.
“Man-appointed- mortal -sorrow,-the blessed God-shall come down-teaching-his death shall bring – the despairing-rest or comfort.”
He said all you have to do is go to the Lexicon and Concordances and verify the meanings of the names. I did. I could only positively verify three of the ten. Adam is man, Jared means descent, and Noah means comfort. Two are stretches as Seth means, “instead of”, or “compensation” so I have a hard time saying that “appointed” should be used as a meaning. The other stretch is Methuselah, which I found to mean primarily “man of a dart”. I really had to dig into the lexicon but I did see “death/judgment” as a meaning.
The true meaning of the name Lamech is “powerful” not despairing. Despairing is the ninth word of his sentence. But powerful would not fit into his “integrated message system.”
Strong’s H3929 – Lemek
Lamech = “powerful”
1) the 5th lineal descendant from Cain, husband of Adah and Zillah, father of sons, Jabal, Jubal, and Tubal-cain, and daughter, Naamah
2) father of Noah
Missler says not to trust what he says or teaches. Maybe he is counting on the fact that few really take the time to actually test the teachings they are listening to. He even tells us in the article on his site, “…the views concerning the meaning and significance of the original roots are not free of controversy and are subject to variant readings.” Right. That is why this teaching is so meaningless.
I later watched Missler teach this “bible code” on a video….When he read the sentence the people in the audience gasped. Then I knew what he was living for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUs8f-lphec&feature=related
It is no wonder that men who do not love Christ enough to preach Him and the cross, end up endorsing a book that instructs us to contact the dead…something the Bible strictly prohibits.
Please read the featured article.
http://mywordlikefire.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/greg-laurie-chuck-missler-blow-it-big-time/
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Strong’s G1492 – eidō
1) to see
a) to perceive with the eyes
b) to perceive by any of the senses
c) to perceive, notice, discern, discover
d) to see
1) i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything
2) to pay attention, observe
3) to see about something
a) i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it
4) to inspect, examine
5) to look at, behold
e) to experience any state or condition
f) to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit
2) to know
a) to know of anything
b) to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive
1) of any fact
2) the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning
3) to know how, to be skilled in
c) to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to (1Th. 5:12)
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