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By Mishel
Record numbers of Christians have been flocking to Lakeland Florida to experience the supernatural. They yell for fire with all the exuberance of a college football game, however nowhere in scripture are we admonished to seek a supernatural experience or demand God’s presence. Certainly the Holy Spirit was not given for our entertainment, nor was He given to fulfill our lust for fleshly thrills. Fire Fire! More Lord! We have become a people so driven to seek after the experiences of God ; to make Him real to bring Him down to us. However, God has called us to live by faith. Remember Jesus said that it is a “a perverse generation seeks after a sign.”
In the book of Revelation at the time of the end, in the last few years of Satan’s dominion, a charismatic religious personality will arise and deceive the whole world by means of miraculous signs and wonders. If signs and wonders are the fruit by which we judge whether a ministry is from God, then we are indeed on very shaky ground, and ripe for deception. So how are we to know? Revelation clearly tells us that the false prophet will be able to call down fire from heaven! However, Elijah, who was a true prophet of God, called down fire from heaven! So how is one to know the real from the counterfeit? The end time is prophesied to be a time of great deception; however Christians seem to feel that they are somehow immune to it. I have to ask myself why any blood-bought Christian would want to indulge themselves in supernatural experiences that have no Biblical precedent but yet parallel occult experiences in every way. Most alarming to me personally, are the unmistakable similarities between this fire they are calling down, and the fires of Kundalini. One can read about some of these manifestations here [http://www.deceptionbytes.com/Todd-Bentleys-Fire-of-Kundalini]
When New Agers, Gnostics, Mystics and Occultists refer to a “Baptism by Fire” they most surely do not mean what the Christians mean when they use that same term. However, there are striking similarities- so again, how are we to know? The esoteric meaning of “Baptism by Fire” is the moment of arousal of the Kundalini power, or simply “the awakening” as the mystics call it.
Kundalini is an Eastern concept of enlightenment in which, through meditation, electrical energy moves up 7 chakras and impacts the pineal gland bringing forth spiritual enlightenment. When the Kundalini awakens it causes certain manifestations. If you compare the manifestations of the rising Kundalini with the manifestations in Lakeland Florida you will find that they are identical in every way. When we openly accept manifestations that have no biblical precedent yet mimic those of the Eastern religions in every way, we have to seriously re-examine our doctrine.
The following quote came from a website that supports a world wide awakening of Kundalini. It shocked me that even the Mystics see it clearly! “So if you call it Kundalini the people in Christian circles will run from it. If you call it the Baptism of the Holy Spirit the same people will run to it.”
Jessie Pen Lewis puts it this way, “The counterfeit of the Presence of God is mainly felt upon the body, and by the physical senses, in conscious “fire,” “thrills,” etc… The person affected by this counterfeit will be moved almost automatically to actions he would not perform of his own will, and with all his faculties in operation. He may not even remember what he has done under the “power” of this “presence” (Jessie-Penn Lewis War On the Saints, p.153)
And again, here is another quote from a decidedly Non-Christian source that verifies the same. “It is evident that the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) and the Kundalini are one in the same. The Holy Ghost is symbolically represented by a flame. Many of the Christian saints who were not familiar with the Eastern concept of Kundalini suffered from mysterious illnesses in which they claimed to be “burning” with love or with the spirit of God within them. Shared Transformation Issue 11, Here, There and Everywhere
Of course we as Christians know that they are NOT one in the same, however the above quotes certainly drive home the point that Kundalini is the counterfeit for the true Holy Spirit.
The website fusionanomaly.net another mystic website, explains the fire of Kundalini as follows “For we ourselves are now the fuel of this living flame… We must open our arms to `call down and welcome the Fire.’ It is not enough to contemplate this ‘super-substantial’, personal Fire which solicitously preserves what it consumes. We must resolutely give ourselves to it as food.”
Wow so it looks as if we Christians aren’t the only ones calling down fire! When we yell fire! Fire! More lord! – What are we really calling down? What are we welcoming? The connection between fire and the rising Kundalini is strong and undeniable.
The Mystic website Zone of Fire describes several incidents of fires breaking out in the vicinity of those experiencing the awakening of Kundalini power.
“Several people in the throes of Kundalini awakenings have reported kitchen fires, which they attributed to their own “spacing out” while cooking. One woman undergoing an awakening found her bed on fire when a lit candle fell from the nightstand. Another “barbecued” her house when she left a bag of what she thought were cold fireplace ashes behind her house. The wind fanned sparks and set the back of the house ablaze.
When St. Teresa of Avila’s Kundalini awakened, she became ill and fell into a death-like coma for four days, during which time a fire broke out in the convent. The week my Kundalini arose, Carl and I were startled in the middle of night by explosive sounds. The house next door (fortunately unoccupied at the time) was a flaming inferno. It burned almost to the ground before firefighters were able to extinguish the blaze.
In the fourth month of my Kundalini awakening, I had a particularly vivid dream in which the whole city was burning. My father appeared in the dream and, eyeing me suspiciously, asked if I was responsible for the fire. I told him I hadn’t done anything to cause it. In the dream, the conflagration was a natural disaster called a “fire storm”. The next day, recalling the dream, I thought it had been merely symbolic. I had never heard of a “fire storm” except in war devastation. Two months later, a cataclysmic fire storm (as the media called it) raged through Oakland, where I live, destroying 3000 homes.
Now, interestingly enough, compare this with an experience that Todd Bentley describes. Bentley claims that an angel with feet like pillars of fire visited him while he was in a hotel room in Seattle Washington causing the hotel to catch fire!
“I said lets go and we got back to the hotel and we went to Charlie’s room in the hotel in Seattle and I looked at my watch and it was a quarter to twelve… or a quarter to eleven…. it was a quarter to eleven, opened the door, looked at the clock -quarter to eleven. We didn’t even have to pray the moment the door closed- the moment I said it was a quarter to eleven- instantly – without anybody praying BOOM the holy visitation realm fell on the room and everybody in the room with me was caught up into visions. All you could hear was arrrrrrg ooooooo ahhhhhrrrrr and everyone was shaking- people were having open visions – Charlie was skiing on the mountain of the Lord, I was screaming out Fire – ITS CONSUMING ME FIRE ya know and Chalie’s son was in a vision , my father was in a vision all at the same time – it was rad. So anyway, an hour after the power of the Lord fell – to make a long story short what happened was that angel came into the room that had the feet like pillars of fire again – into the hotel room and in the natural the whole hotel room filled with smoke and everyone in the room smelled it. Twelve hours later those two hotel rooms burnt to the ground above Charlie’s Room. Above Charlie’s room the angel on his way down to visit us – those two hotel rooms caught fire for real and burned down. I said God I am going to get a reputation in fact the next year no one wanted to stay above my room or under my room no one wanted to be near my room.”
What is confusing to me is why Todd Bentley claims that the angel burned the hotel rooms on his way down through the roof to visit him when he clearly says the visitation happened 12 hour prior to the fire. Do you honestly believe that an angel of God caused that kind of destruction? Again where is the Biblical precedent for such a manifestation? My suggestion is that it was a manifestation of Kundalini power. Bentley has already told us that they had an awakening type experience just prior to the incident.
The “visitation” these men experienced sounds identical to those in the throes of Kundalini. Fires seem to break out in the vicinity of the one with the awakening Kundalini. Usually, these combustions occur as natural accidents.
If the following is a coincidence then it is a mighty strong one. According to NASA, “Officials estimate that 2,648 wildfires have scorched nearly 194,000 acres in Florida since January of this year”. http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=1713
So in light of this I would ask that you do some soul searching as to the source of the signs and wonders occurring in Lakeland Florida. Do not judge simply by what you see or how it feels. Then ask yourself if you really want to be immersed in the fire he is calling forth.

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June 5, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Lee
Quote from the article:
When New Agers, Gnostics, Mystics and Occultists refer to a “Baptism by Fire” they most surely do not mean what the Christians mean when they use that same term.
While I understand the use of this sentence in context with the above post, I wanted to clarify that those Christians who believe a “Baptism by Fire” to be a good thing are in the more radical Charismatic camp. (However, it seems this camp is growing rapidly.)
I wanted to point out where this error emanates. This comes from a misinterpretation/pretense of this verse:
11″I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire…” [Matthew 3:11 NIV]
The trouble with taking Bible verses in isolation is you may most likely miss the true meaning of its full context. Going one verse further:
12″…His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” [Matthew 3:12 NIV]
The “wheat in the barn” are the true Holy Spirit indwelled Christians which will be “gathered” while the “chaff” which is “burned up” with “unquenchable fire” are the ones who do not accept Christ and are bound for hell.
The practice of using pretexts or taking scripture out of context is Satan’s oldest trick going back to the Garden of Eden. And, the best way to defeat this is just as Jesus did in the desert just after His baptism [Matthew 4:3-11] when Satan tried to trick him. Jesus used the Sword of the Spirit — the Word of God. It’s our best defense as well.
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December 7, 2009 at 6:24 am
Calixtus
Let me clarify the experience of Kundalini from someone who has experienced it, namely me. The Kundalini feels like a vibrant spark has been lit within you, sprouting forth from the lower part of your body, to its higher domains. The feeling can be said to be pure bliss. If I have described the Kundalini to be a positive thing, for one it is. It makes you want to get a go at life, you can even be said to be filled with the well of life, for in that eternally blissful feeling that encompasses you, life sensations are only heightened, brightened.
This is because the Kundalini is a natural bodily phenomenon, present in every single individual. It is already in you, latent; you can’t escape it, it is as much a part of your body as all the subtle energy bodies that comprise your entire being. It’s release is your engaging these bodies at an intense, heightened state. If any of your Holy Spirit invoking causes these feelings and sensations in the individual, then it can be said to be the same as the arousing of the Kundalini.
The Kundalini makes you feel at one with the universe. It’s hard to describe the feeling without you experiencing it yourself, but it can be likened to a fire being lit within your being. And no fires started when mine was aroused. The onrush of energy was simply overwhelming during my time, and it’s best to experienced it to realise there is nothing negative to it, it’s completely natural and is recommended to be released by anybody who is of age.
December 7, 2009 at 8:31 am
Kim
Actually, the hindu gurus are aware of the spiritual “emergencies” that the awakening of the serpent causes. The occult practice of awakening the serpent is dangerous because of its draw of higher knowledge, control of nature, etc. The easiest way to arousal is eastern occult meditation, but shamans also can evoke evil spirits by various means.
But entering another spirit realm, by using or controling so-called body energies, is also called divination. The desire of hidden knowledge by entering into another consciousness. This is called detestable in the Bible In Deuteronomy 18. The reason is that the spirit world apart from God is deception.
Right off the bat in Genesis the serpent tempted Eve with special knowledge. First of course, the serpent said, “Did God really say?”. You may be asking yourself that question right now.
Then the serpent told Eve…”You will be like like God knowing good and evil”. And then Eve saw that the forbidden food was desirable. (pure bliss). And for gaining knowledge. (feeling like one with the universe).
These are also the lies of the serpent Kundalini.
Many who are “enlightened” by meditation…..see a blinding light.
Here is what the New Testament says about that light.
2 Corinthians 11:14
“And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”
The most common denominator of the spiritual/energy deceptions is the feeling of divinity and the feeling of being with one in the universe.
November 5, 2010 at 5:28 pm
MustaffaCoffee
Lee,
Matthew 3:12 the KJV says of Jesus his fan is in his hand not a pitchfork. Throw out your NIV – New Illuminati Verision bible.
November 5, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Kim
Actually the greek word for fan is
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a winnowing shovel
November 11, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Stephen
I don’t think we’ve got to the stage when we have signs and wonders which are of demonic origin. The evidence is that everything at Lakeland, Toronto, Pensacola, and the rest of the charismaniac movement is just mind trickery.
Regarding Todd Bentley’s story, I remember reading that someone managed to work out when it was and checked it out with the local fire department. They had no records of a hotel fire at that time. Conclusion, nothing supernatural whatsoever, just another lie from a known liar.
February 9, 2011 at 4:39 pm
mike d
When we compare the kundalini to the Holy Spirit it has absolutley nothing to do with the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit does not make people act like animals. The Holy Spirit does not make people feel like they are on fire or drunk or laugh out of control or roll all over the floor or shake uncontollagly or scream. These things are satanic and will lead people straight to the pit of hell. Jesus warned of these things coming to pass in greater detail at the end of the age. Repent tghose who call themselves christians and those who are not. The coming of Yeshua is at hand.
February 14, 2011 at 3:56 am
Jason
Oh ye so full of fear. I thought sons of light were supposed to have no fear? Yet, the church is creating fear. Christians focusing on fear. Perfect love cast out all fear. Why is everyone so worked up over the supposed differences between kundalini and being baptized with fire? Don’t get caught up in all the paranoia. There are commonalities around the world among people, societies, religions, etc. Maybe you should stop spreading the factual inaccuracies, because its only generating fear. Many people cant even read the truth about somethings now without being severely skewed by the social fear that pervades Church.
The dogma that has stripped away any bit of true meaning in the message of Christ continues to exclude itself from outsiders by the borders it builds.
Eastern philosophies are not supported in the Bible… So, the MUST BE EVIL!
There’s not two ways to look at the same thing! It MUST BE SATAN!
This uneducated, fear centered ‘lens’ so many of you look through is just ridiculous.
You know what helps that fear? Love. Understanding. The whole pointing fingers thing has proved to do nothing but cause more problems. The Christian following has failed overall to uplift the message of Jesus. I dont think Jesus is going to be very happy with the way things are going in ‘His” church. You all are completely divided with hundreds of denominations, the history of killing in His name, using his name for personal greed, and hoarding pedophilia… And you want to point fingers at something you suspect to be satanic because it is from another culture you fail to understand???
Just because one culture sees something a particular way, doesn’t mean it “satanic”.
Quit always thinking your shadow is demonic… its a shadow, it’s not a demon. Do you follow?? Something dark/unknown is not necessarily evil.
These elements such as, astrals projection (soul travel), magic, astrology…etc They are widely viewed as evil or wicked. But they’re in the Bible! And they’re being performed by Godly prophets. Now, glossolalia (speaking in tongues) is widely accepted as a Christian gift. It’s not seen as evil or satanic, despite the ridiculous fakers that pretend so desperately to have it. But wait… If you trace that back, you will find its roots in Paganism. What do we do now?
Maybe instead of being so scared of the unknown and creating more conflict, rise up and do the opposite. Rise up and give that love that you so freely get. God has given you all access to his unconditional love, showering you all with gifts of spirit… And we can’t grasp the idea of cultural and religious commonalities.
Instead of seeing something that can unite Christ with another culture, you see division. Were there is an opportunity to share with another group of people, you judge and fill yourselves up a false sense of selfish righteousness.
Ask yourself, apart from the social pressure as best you can, if you have enough love in your heart to be among people of other cultures without trying to over power him or her with your beliefs, just loving?
Are you so connected with Gods spirit that words are the last thing you need to use to express God to them? That your actions alone preach salvation?
Are you confident enough in your own connection with God that you can walk in the valley of the shadow of death with open eyes, fearing no evil? Or better yet, are you strong enough in the spirit and in your relationship with God that you can go into foreign land without your doctrines or Bibles to hide behind, having only the Word of God etched in your heart to lead you???
There is real evil out there and it is not some other culture’s perspective of fire baptism and what you assume it to be. If Christians can’t unite and show love then it should have no place of authority. It might be time to question and rethink things.
February 14, 2011 at 7:21 am
Kim
Hi Jason,
It would seem you have a typical new-age religion, thinking that Christians are fearful….this is not the case at all. In fact we want to share our love of Christ. Jesus said in the Bible that He was God. And the Bible states that all other religions, idols etc. are false roads to destruction.
I see you threw in the Roman Catholic Church offenses. The reformed church does not recognize the RCC as Christian. They killed in the name of God instead of dying as martyrs.
Also tossed in is the denomination issue, but many denominations stand united in the faith, that Jesus died on the cross for forgiveness of sins so that sinners like you and me can have eternal life if we believe and repent of our sin and recognize that Jesus rose from the dead.
You are right paganism has infiltrated the church, but the Bible teaches against it especially Deuteronomy 18 which calls some of the things in your list destestable.
Christians are to show love, that is why we should speak the truth in the sciptures. There is no greater love.
I am confident to walk in the valley of the shadow of death because the Lord is my shepherd.
February 14, 2011 at 7:24 am
Kim
@mike d
I am in total agreement with you.
March 29, 2011 at 9:07 am
Mallory
The experiences contained within this video are not of God.
“Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him, saying, ‘Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, dreadfully tormented.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘I will come and heal him.'” Matthew 8:5-7, emphasis added.
“Then great multitudes came to Him, having with them the lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus’ feet, and He healed them. So the multitude marveled when they saw the mute speaking, the maimed made whole, the lame walking, and the blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.” Matthew 15:29-31
If you notice in the Scriptures, every time someone is healed or blessed with heavenly power in Christ Jesus, they come to their senses. They are lifted up and cleansed. They serve (Matt. 8:14-15; Mark 1:31; Luke 4:38-41), they walk and talk (Matt. 9:1-8; Matt. 9:32-34; Luke 5:17-26), they see clearly (Matt. 9:27-31; Matt. 20:29-34; Mark 8:22-26). They glorify God.
Scripture explicitly and clearly does not associate such demonic activity as demonstrated in the video clip with the cleansing power of God through the work of His Holy Spirit.
Christians, if you are involved or entranced by dangerous antics like those displayed in the video clip, PLEASE RUN AWAY AND GO TO GOD! Come to Christ; He alone has power to heal completely and carry your burden upon His back. He has born our stripes and our iniquities. He can do the same for you. You don’t need to look elsewhere but to God in Christ. Love,
March 29, 2011 at 9:47 am
Kim
Amen…Mallory
March 29, 2011 at 10:25 am
Lisa
Jason..AMEN! That is all I can even say without saying something I should not.
March 29, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Kim
Jason said,
“These elements such as, astrals projection (soul travel), magic, astrology…etc They are widely viewed as evil or wicked. But they’re in the Bible!”
He is right they are in the Bible and here is what the bible says about magic, divination or fortune telling by stars or other….
Deu 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [fn] the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Deu 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
Deu 18:12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
These things are detestable to God and we not to “Amen” them.
March 30, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Dana
Hello, Lord…
April 6, 2011 at 1:10 pm
simon
Being truly filled with the Holy Spirit will make you hungry for Jesus, hungry for the word of God and learn to walk humbly before God for it recognises Jesus as Lord. It is an experience as accepting Christ is an experience often without much noticeable change, yet something happens within us a work that God sovereignly does. The shaking and other things so commonly though of as being of the Holy Spirit is rare and often indicates a playing with things the Bible forbids. It is not passed on from person to person, but from God through Christ to the believer. The Holy Spirit sets our minds free and opens our conscience that we may be obedient to the truth, our conscience softened by the scriptures is often the way the Holy Spirit corrects us. If anyone will search the scripture one will discover that the Holy Spirit For the Holy Spirit has come to glorify Jesus.
March 16, 2012 at 7:21 am
Themba
I received the grace of the Holy Spirit in 1987 and later in 2009 I received kundalini awakening and I must say that the two “feelings” are different. Holy Spirit tends to be intermittent and activated by outside stimulus, which explains the need to congregate routinely. When Holy Spirit is active, people can visually observe you especially at church. Kundalini is more personal and subtle. I live with kundalini energy moving inside my body 24/7 and it is a pleasant feeling. It is continual bliss. It happened by chance and I did not know about it before. I fell ill due to my blocked nervous system and I was not loving enough. I discovered that spending time in nature eased my illness. Showing love without any expectations and being of service to others opened the flow of energy and eased my problems. I can use this ability to manage stress level during stressful periods. I am a changed man, see no need to drink or indulge in worldly excesses. More considerate to fellow planet citizens. Now belong to the world not just my country/ tribe/ family. I find it of no benefit to anyone, though, to preach about kundalini and that is why I usually keep quite about it. What I can say is that you need to work hard to kill/ reduce your ego as a person (which is most difficult in these materialistic/ title-based societies we have). Follow Jesus teachings as he said that the greatest commandment is to love others and again remember that we are on this planet to serve and not be served. Rather spend less time arguing about religion and more on finding your inner person and connect with God.
March 16, 2012 at 8:46 am
Kim
Yes, I agree that the biblical teaching dying to self is not easy in this materialistic world. But we can’t just take a few sentences from the Bible out of context. To die to self, we begin to live for the Lord. We begin to hate our sin. It drops us to our knees because we still sin everyday. The Bible says if you think you are without sin you deceive yourself.
Indeed the greatest command is love others as you love yourself, and to love God above all. All of the commands hinge on this. But Jesus in John 14 instructs us that if we love Him we will obey all his teachings.
Also when we stand for truth, Jesus warns we will be hated for it. For the world, “hates the disciples.”
I once was filled with the wrong spirit. I know its bliss, but it is not the Holy Spirit. There is only one spirit we should seek for the other is false and beguiling.
Romans teaches that the inner man is depraved, the new-age teachings teachings tell us to go within….that man is devine inside. All false teachings.
March 21, 2012 at 3:18 am
bluebottle
When I looked outwards, I saw little but godlessness. I also looked within, not to flesh but to spirit. I found no depravity there, but instead an ascending, snaking, spinal energy. I had no label for this at the time, but there are no better words for what it instilled in me than love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
March 21, 2012 at 8:54 am
Kim
ah, snaking…spinal energy..ascending…kundalini is aptly named…for it is serpent power. Genesis…in the very beginning…God teaches us and gives is a warning, for the three lies of the serpent were….
#1,, “Did God really say..?” To reject the teachings of the fall of man and his depravity and that no one is righteous is to listen to the serpent.
#2 “You will not die…”
#3 “You will be like God.”
One cannot take isolated parts of scripture like the fruits of the spirit from Galatians 5 without the whole counsel of the Bible. Paul needed to speak to the Galatians because they were following a false gospel. The truth was we are justified by faith and not observing laws, and that it was evident, that “we ourselves are sinners.” 2:17
Just the opposite of what you said, “I also looked within, not to flesh but to spirit. I found no depravity there, but instead an ascending, snaking, spinal energy.”
As to your astral travel site…. as a Christian I reject this practice.God does not want us to have anything to do with occult or psychic power. See Deuteronomy 18:10-13. The source of this power is from the devil and not God. As you can see from Deuteronomy, God is not pleased with those who practice this. See also Exodus 20:3-4.
Much of this has already been addressed in the comments…It boils down to this… Do you want to believe what the Bible says about these issues and how Satan beguiles, or do trust you own feelings and experiences ?
March 22, 2012 at 4:16 pm
bluebottle
I was concerned about the snake initially and didn’t know how to take it. Rather than cherry-picking from the Bible, I prayed to be guided to a passage in it for understanding. I could indeed have been given Deuteronomy, but God instead chose Zechariah’s vision of seven lamps up a candlestick and made me a better person.
March 22, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Kim
You are right one should not cherry pick from the Bible…the reason why is that scripture interprets scripture. A verse needs to examined in its relation to the chapter, to the book, to the whole counsel of the Bible. And who it is written to. In this case Zerubbabel is being encouraged that he would finish his work by the spirit of God. This lampstand is similar to the menorahs we see today except that it had a bowl that would continually feed the lamps. The branches from the two olive trees were also continuously filling the bowl. What an encouragement that we are to rely on the Holy Spirit to do God’s work. In verse 4:6 the angel said that this word was for Zerubbabel, and that the work of rebuilding the temple would be done by the enabling of the constant enabling of the Holy Spirit and not by our power.
…or power from an outside spirit.
Caution must be taken because Satan masquerades. He masquerades as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14….that is why so many who use TM or mind control often see bright light…it is a false spirit.
Long ago a young man involved in A Course of Miracles was deceived by a false spirit. He said he was full of joy and had conquered fear. He said he was going to send this spirit to me in the middle of the night. He did.
This spirit gripped my neck in the night and I could feel the cold, bony, evil hand on me. Because I have the Holy Spirit, this spirit was revealed to me as evil and not good. I rebuked the spirit in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and it left.
The young man could not see this spirit as it really was for he was pleased with the feelings and emotions.
Oppression will eventually come if one persists in occultic methods…please, please stop and pray for the truth of God to reveal the true spirit to you….
Spurgeon said this about the passage in Zecharia 4
“The necessary resource for God’s work is the Holy Spirit and God promises Zerubbabel a rich resource in the Spirit of God to accomplish His work. When we trust in our own resources – whether they be small or great in the eyes of man – then we don’t enjoy the full supply of the Spirit.”
March 23, 2012 at 10:33 am
bluebottle
I appreciate what you’re telling me, but I’m afraid I might be misunderstanding you. You had the Holy Spirit, but still consented to receive something different that you were told was also the Holy Spirit?
I think you’re saying that the potential for deception extends beyond mere exposure to falsehood, that even our internal mental condition can be tampered with to deceive us. To the extent that our minds allow us clear reading, we can discern with the Bible however. If God does reveal the true spirit to us though, that isn’t through scripture, it takes the form of revelation. How can we distinguish that from deceptive, faked revelations?
March 23, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Kim
I am sorry….it was a too brief description of a very odd occurence. I did not want to receive this false spirit. I did not think anything was going to happen. I did not consent to it. It was a powerful spirit, but it was a familiar spirit, ungodly, evil, not benevolent as the young man thought it was. He was unable to discern its origin.
We have to rely solely on scripture. The bereans were called noble because they examined every thing that Paul spoke, against scripture already written. The New Testament was not written yet, so this means the Old Testament. The Canon is now closed, so there is no new information from God. Those who say they speak God’s Word must be tested. If they contradict scripture, present a different gospel than the written, if they prophesy and what they say does not come to pass, we are not to listen to them.
Faked revelations do not come true, and are contrary to the written Word of God (the 66 books of the Bible). Those who say they have come to “correct” the Bible are false prophets and usually are mediums of evil spirits. These spirits present themselves as ascended masters, spirit guides, ET’s, etc. but they are deceivers.
March 26, 2012 at 2:12 pm
bluebottle
I see, albeit it through a glass. Having received visions that have come true, and visions depicting specific lines of scripture, I find both comfort and paradox in your words, but I thank you for them, and am reading around the subject as much as time allows.
March 26, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Kim
Problem is… the evil spirits or the “spirit guides” cannot foretell the future but they can see circumstances and can guess along with the best of us what may happen. But because of occult remote viewing, information is passed to others. If any information given has EVER been wrong, you are listening to the enemy.
The Bible shows us that Satan knows scripture too because he twisted it to try to tempt Jesus in the wilderness. I too once would receive scripture, but a third eye was open in me from prescription antidepressants which affected the pineal gland. The scripture made me think that what I was receiving was from God but I was not……when I prayed for truth, God did intervene and showed me Jeremiah 15:23….”For rebellion is like the sin of divination…..”
Divination is sorcery…..the truth was at first devasting.
I prayed that any gift I had that was not from God would be taken away….and the third eye closed. But I had to totally reject the demonic ability. I had to repent which means to turn completely away in the other direction. turn away from evil and turn to God…I literally burned the notes I wrote of prophecies and visions just like the people in Acts 19:19 burned their scrolls of magic information….you must do the same.
March 28, 2012 at 2:57 am
bluebottle
Which verses suggest that spirits are limited in this way? I assumed they would have far greater ability to deceive, along the lines of Decartes’ demon.
Your story parallels one of eye-opening pharmakia I was once prescribed, the side-effects of which included a five minute immersion in intense paranoia. When I ask myself if I’m being deceived, memory of that mindset rarely fails to suggests ways, so I place my faith with no small amount of care.
March 28, 2012 at 7:55 am
Kim
Well, the girl in Acts 16:16-19 helps us understand divination or the using of familiar spirits, (demons).
A spirit was the source of her power. When the spirit was cast out her ability left her. This spirit must have been correct to a certain degree to bring her owner a great deal of money. Paul cast out this spirit so it was not a holy spirit but evil. And….this evil spirit tried to identity itself with God. By doing this it was trying to mask its true identity.
wow…what a reaction to the drug…indeed pharmakia is an endtime problem. Others have told me of wild out-of-body experiences and problems of depersonalization after these drugs.
sorceries, g5331 φαρμακεία pharmakeia
The book of Revelation has two verses 9:21 and 18:23 using the word sorceries. The greek definition is pharmakeia….There are other ways to open oneself beside prescriptions. Alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, LSD, etc all are mind altering and create an opening. Of course there is eastern meditation, emptying the mind and inviting a spirit to come is dangerous.
Will be out of town for a awhile. Hope to converse with you later.
kim
June 12, 2012 at 8:45 am
escaped sheep
Re: Jason’s post and the charge that christians fear. There are some things we should be afraid of and some kinds of fear we should have. Fear has a purpose in its right place. I don’t suggest we should live in cowering, debillitating fear. Warning others of real spiritual danger doesn’t “cause” fear by pointing out something dangerous. Such protestations are more about wanting to be left undisturbed in believing what is preferable to onself, whether or not it is true. Its fine to believe that all beliefs are equal if its true, but if its not, its a dangerous self stroking fantasy. If I warned you that you needed to carefully step back from a weakened ledge you were standing on, twenty stories above the street, you would no doubt feel a shock or thrill of fear, but that would come from realizing that your wrong assumption that you were safe and in control almost brought about your death, because you were actually in a dangerous position. Not because I cared enough about you to warn you away by speaking the truth that you were in danger.
July 22, 2012 at 1:56 am
sander
Eu, na verdade, vos batizo em água, na base do arrependimento; mas aquele que vem após mim é mais poderoso do que eu, que nem sou digno de levar-lhe as alparcas; ele vos batizará no Espírito Santo, e em fogo. Mateus 3: 11.
July 22, 2012 at 7:23 am
Kim
sander…. Google translated the verse like this….
I indeed baptize you with water, on the basis of repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, who am not worthy to bring her shoes, he will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Matthew 3: 11.
I will assume the “her shoes” is a translation flub ; )
August 7, 2012 at 8:50 am
Craig
Kim,
Matthew 3:11 is used by hyper-charismatics as a proof-text for the “baptism in the Holy Spirit”. The claim is that this ‘second baptism’ provided Jesus’ power and, hence, the Christian’s power. This is also known as “the anointing”. This doctrine is also found in esoteric literature including Alice Bailey’s Theosophic works:
Here’s a portion of my recent series on Bill Johnson’s Christology comparing it to New Age ‘Christology’:
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In the Apocryphal/Gnostic The Gospel of Philip from the 2nd century is a similar idea. In the following, there is a specific distinguishing between water baptism and ‘anointing’ [chrism is the Greek transliterated word meaning anointing]. The “anointing” here is identified as the mark of a Christian rather than true Christian conversion upon which one receives the Holy Spirit indwelling:
The chrism is superior to baptism. For from the chrism we were called ‘Christians’, not from baptism. Christ also was (so) called because of the anointing. For the Father anointed the Son. But the Son anointed the apostles. And the apostles anointed us. He who is anointed possesses all things. He has the resurrection, the light, the cross.108
This reads like an “ongoing incarnation”. Alice Bailey, in her 1937 Theosophical / New Age book From Bethlehem to Calvary: the Initiations of Jesus, quotes Luke 3:16, then describes the two steps in baptism, the first by John the Baptist in water and the second by Jesus Christ “which is that of the Holy Ghost and of fire.”109 She further describes this second baptism:
…The baptism which Christ gives His followers concerns the purification of the mind by fire. Fire, under the universal symbolism of religion, is ever symbolic of the mind nature. This baptism by fire is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.110
Those who are or were involved with the so called ‘Third Wave’ have undoubtedly heard the word “fire” used to describe those “under the anointing” (especially from Todd Bentley at Lakeland). Bailey’s use here is referring to the transformation of the mind (continued transformation by Transcendental Meditation / contemplative prayer / centering prayer / soaking, etc.) to expand one’s “Christ consciousness”.
From here:
Also, in context, Matthew 3:11-12 is contrasting the true Holy Spirit’s indwelling (gather the wheat into the barn) as opposed to those receiving judgment (burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire).
August 7, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Craig
OK, too funny – I see that that guy “Lee” said the same thing about Matthew 3:11-12 4 years ago. What he didn’t know then were the two pieces of esoteric literature cited just a few hours ago by “Craig” 😉
August 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Kim
Craig…some things just bear repeating : )
September 10, 2012 at 12:29 am
Ankitha
Kim!!! You have all the right answers. everytime i read all your messages I’m like Praise the Lord. God bless you
September 10, 2012 at 6:45 am
Kim
That is very kind, because I will never have all the right answers. I can only pray that the Lord my God Jesus Christ will be with us and nudge us in the narrow way and shine the light on the path to keep us in obedience to the Word. Blessings to you.
November 25, 2012 at 2:39 pm
rayna
Charismatic movement is the devil or something is WRONG WITH IT. Im an empty shell of a person, completley lost my identity, and every time i would ‘ pray in the spirit’, it just went against me, just felt wrong. Plase stay away. I feel like something is trying to take me over. Ive been in the occult and the feeling WAS very similar. Wanting my life n soul back.
November 25, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Kim
rayna,
I sounds like you have been experiencing what others call depersonalization. Please pray continuously and keep an open Bible next to you. I read Ephesians 6 over and over again one night. Keep rejecting the evil spirit.
you can always email me at kimmerlee1953@gmail.com if you want.
Been through it. Ask God to close all openings to the paranormal that you have accepted by false anointings.
Praying for you.
kim
December 9, 2012 at 8:14 am
Abraham
Kim, Escaped Sheep ~ et al ~ thanks for theological re-inforcement & strong discernment which is one on the vital spiritual gifts in extreme short supply in church today. Through baptism in Holy Spirit (I boast not of course!) Father God gave me inter alia – this discernment long before today’s counterfeit manifestations. No difficulty in sorting the wheat from the chaff, others consider me an unloving hyper-critical *** and regard the Hinns Bentleys & literally hundreds more in the so called Third Wave – “we’ve got special anointing” church movement with awe and reverence. Why ? well because they are bringing thousands to Christ – but of course they’re not. My brush with kundalinii spirit took place a few years ago now when I was totally duped into sitting with a small group in and Anglican church ~ The Rev. vicar and another passed around laying on hands/touching. All slumped down – I resisted as a matter of principle ! But – it took some resisting and was like a powerful current through my head. The guy tried again then gave up. I hated it but without any fear, just anger. Christ really indwells by way of Holy Spirit – this is my safeguard. Perhaps others can share likewise ?
September 17, 2013 at 11:20 am
Kirk
To Mishel. The video of Bentley was taken at William Jessup University in Rocklin California . A friend and myself are standing at left side as Bentley walks down the line. It is a tragedy. I have been through all of this from A to Z. We have been to meetings in California ,Texas and Tacf in Toronto Canada . Millions have been so deceived.I pray that the Truth would reveal all. The spirit that I “saw ” at Toronto was the sun god that the Hindu mystics worshiped. After years of experience and exposure to these spirits I total Agee with Andrew Strom’s take on what has happened .
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October 19, 2013 at 7:56 am
christiancounselorpastor
May God bless you for your service to the church. God has clearly shown Pastor George and me that many who are His in the charismatic part of the body of Christ lack the very essential spiritual gift of discernment and thus are deceived with what may seem to be from God but surely isn’t. It’s a counterfeit. And a satanic one at that.
Blessings,
Pastor Sharon
October 19, 2013 at 8:43 am
Kim
Thank you for comment and I enjoyed looking through your site. Just for the record though I do not believe in women pastors in the sense that they teach in authority over men. It is fine though to come along aside your husband.
December 23, 2013 at 3:06 pm
D
so when you say soul search, do you mean to meditate?
February 12, 2014 at 6:46 am
christine
I had some friends that went to these meetings where gold dust appeared. Wjhen I suggested they “test the spirits” and back up their experience with God’s Word they got a little offended. Most people I say this to have the same reaction. Usually they end up disyancing themselves from me. But I don’t mind, I’d rather not get sucked into that deception.
February 19, 2014 at 5:42 am
Abraham
It is my personal belief and I say this kindly, that every true Christian needs to be so very much aware that the spirit of Anti Christ is getting stronger, more powerful by the day. Deceit abounds, discernment is ignored, BUT Baptism in Holy Spirit (the real baptism) is ever available and must be sought and taught now, as an essential defence against the nigh on impregnable Satanic forces penetrating church today. One of the main thrusts is by false leaders boasting ‘revelation knowledge’ (the same thing that brought in cults) hence Hagin, Copeland et al. Weak seekers will hardly ever be able to make distinctions, viz., “well he is a Christian isn’t he, they name the Name of Jesus so they must be ‘legitimate’ surely?” And a final point, “once saved always saved” is a dangerous mantra and no defence against the wiles of the Anti-Christ though many seem to think so!
February 19, 2014 at 6:52 am
Kim
This is what I believe regarding the Holy Spirit…
The following facts are necessary to help solidify our understanding of Spirit baptism: First, 1 Corinthians 12:13 clearly states that all have been baptized, just as all been given the Spirit to drink (the indwelling of the Spirit). Second, nowhere in Scripture are believers told to be baptized with, in or by the Spirit, or in any sense to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This indicates that all believers have had this experience. Third, Ephesians 4:5 seems to refer to Spirit baptism. If this is the case, Spirit baptism is the reality for every believer, just as “one faith” and “one Father” are.
In conclusion, the baptism of the Holy Spirit does two things, 1) it joins us to the body of Christ, and 2) it actualizes our co-crucifixion with Christ. Being in His body means we are risen with Him to newness of life (Romans 6:4). We should then exercise our spiritual gifts to keep that body functioning properly as stated in the context of 1 Corinthians 12:13. Experiencing the one Spirit baptism serves as the basis for keeping the unity of the church, as in the context of Ephesians 4:5. Being associated with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection through Spirit baptism establishes the basis for our separation from the power of indwelling sin and our walk in newness of life (Romans 6:1-10; Colossians 2:12).
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Spirit-baptism.html#ixzz2tmO7t4Rb
Once a person goes beyond the Bible and adds to
the role of the Holy Spirit….it becomes tradition of men.
February 19, 2014 at 7:08 am
Kim
“And a final point, “once saved always saved” is a dangerous mantra and no defence against the wiles of the Anti-Christ though many seem to think so!”
So if you are born again as we see in John 3….you can become “unborn”? We are to test ourselves to see if we really are in the faith.
2Cr 13:5
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?
January 13, 2015 at 6:32 am
rich
I was slain in a spirit in a charismatic church 15 years ago. I now hear angry voices, have been in hospital, suffer with depression. The kundalini awakening is dangerous it opens a door for evil spirits to come in and play with and/or wreck your life. Charismania is dangerous. Check out Pam Shepherds deliverance website for cases of people with the same mental/spiritual conditions. Terrible.
May 21, 2015 at 7:36 am
LOVE
Its a negative influence. Please try to ignore, due to some circumstances I can’t explain anymore. But believe me I know what you are talking about and I myself has been through a different kind of experience. So please I am begging you stop this before its too late for you.
Awakening of Kundalini can destroy your mind and body unless you know the truth about it.
PS- If am going in the right path I will change this world with the things I have learned.
Word of Advice- If you really want to move forward the first step is to replace FEAR with LOVE.
May 21, 2015 at 8:27 am
Kim
I agree that the awakening of this false spirit is very dangerous…but there really is no serpent at the base of the spine. It is an imagined system developed by HIndu belief. All spirit contact is occultic and will lead to oppression.
There are also some false teachings out there from New Age teachers that we can solve all by love.Two examples: A Course in Miracles is false, Eckhart Tolle is false.
The first step is to abandon all these things and call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Surrender to Him. Turn away from sins and turn to Jesus by doing a 180. This is repentance. Then start to read our Bible. Converted people hunger and thirst for righteousness.
I remember hungering for the Word of God and joining a Bible study.
August 26, 2015 at 5:08 am
Ben Calibri
Totally agree Kim. Except for the ‘I remember ‘ bit. I hunger and thirst for God like I’m starving and I have been Spirit filled for over 30 years. Also, someone above says the Holy Spirit does not make you drunk, actually he does in a sense and the bible says that.
August 26, 2015 at 7:28 am
Kim
When I was converted….( I grew up in the church) which happened later in life, my sin was exposed…for the first time I truly met my Savior. I needed Him not to fulfill my wishes but to forgive me. I am reminded of Peter and when Jesus did the miracle of the great catch of fish…In Luke 5:8 Peter says, “Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord. ”
One of the roles of the work of the person of the Holy Spirit is the conviction of sin. Then a hunger and thirst for righteousness. Matthew 5:6.
In no way does the Bible ever condone drunkenness of any kind. 1 Corinthians 6:10 says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God. Verse 12 says that we are not to be mastered by anything although all things are permissible.
I have read all the scriptures pertaining to this and I ask you to supply a verse saying the Holy Spirit makes you drunk. The passage in Acts 2 is widely misquoted. The people made fun of the disciples saying that they had too much wine, when they were speaking in languages and declaring the wonders of God in other tongues…
A fruit of the Holy Spirit is self-control…drunkenness eliminates self-control. I know. I have been sober for over 30 years now.
June 30, 2017 at 12:14 am
Amanda
Hi. I am so glad I found this. I see it’s 9 years old though. I hope you will still see this. I am just now figuring things out. It has taken me a few years unfortunately to understand what happened to me and to make sense of it all. From accidentally reading something I stumbled upon yesterday I do believe I have had a kundalini experience ( this was more than 3 years ago) I didn’t know what to call it but back then when it happened of course I thought it was my baptism of the Holy Spirit because I shared what happened with family members and they told me that’s what it was.
Now, those family members are still deep into the NAR and WOF movement and attend Bethel church in Redding California.
My question for you is now that I know this…how could I truly have been ” saved “? Could a true believer sealed with the Holy Spirit really experience such demonic things? would God allow that? I have so many questions. When I found out about Bill Johnson and etc and my family leading me astray I was hurt but also so angry with myself for listening and trusting others instead of reading and studying Gods Word for myself. I have committed spiritual adultery. I am afraid and worried. I knew nothing about kundalini at that time
June 30, 2017 at 7:39 am
Kim
Hi Amanda….I am glad to hear you are researching and figuring things out.
All believing Christians are baptized by the Holy Spirit. When Pentecost came the church was born and the Holy Spirit came to dwell within us. We are joined to the body of Christ and we die to self because we have been crucified with Him in His death, burial and resurrection. These concepts help us separate from sin and enjoy our newness in Christ. How different this is from what is being depicted as experiences/feelings as proof.
You are asking can a true believer experience demonic things? I answer…yes. Does God allow it? Yes.
We are told to test the spirits to see if what is being taught it is truly from God or if it is a lie from the enemy and his servants. So we will indeed be surrounded by false teachers and and demonic influences. Can we be deceived by these things? Sure. That is why as you said we need to study God’s Word for ourselves. We must “be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15).
Now you are questioning your salvation because of a spiritual experience that was not from God. Please don’t. I believe once saved, always saved….IF saved. There are too many verses stating that. For instance…..Believers are born again when they believe John 3:3; Titus 3:5. If one does fall away it means that they were never with us from the start.
I agree you committed spiritual adultery. But that is the past. You may want to briefly examine why you allowed yourself to fall into the deception as a learning tool and repent of those sins in your life. These are things we all need to do.
Do not be afraid or worry. You will be stronger than ever because you have been refined through a trial. Can you see that you have grown? That is why God allows such things.
Blessings to you.
June 30, 2017 at 9:55 am
Amanda
Thank you for your reply. I hope I made sense when I wrote last night as it was very late🙂. It really is a terrible shame on my part and to be honest, I don’t know what lead me down that path other than ignorance of God, and His Word. Listening to my aunt and going to a church that was definitely WOF and NAR. It was an Assembly of God church, and I know that can strike a chord with others. But the church I was attending ( only because a friend kept badgering me to go and I eventually went on Easter 2013)back then I had a great deal of depression- I knew about Jesus and grew up memorizing John 3:16, the Lord’s Prayer etc because of my great grandmother. She’d always talk about the Lord.
I had a terrible childhood I’m sure most do. But had a lot of emotional, physical and sexual abuse and neglect. My mom was married four times. I didn’t know what ” love” was. And I have always struggled with a low self esteem lack of confidence.
Anyway- when I attended the church that day they did share the gospel message because it was Easter. Then it was ” close your eyes, raise your hand and then repeat after me prayer ” but I was a sobbing mess. I knew I was a wretched sinner, in need of a Savior. I needed Jesus. That was March 24, they were doing baptisms April 10. So I immediately signed up and I was so excited.
I started going more and more to church and then on Wednesday nights to the women’s group and eventually to the ” healing prayer ” meetings. This is where I began to learn about bondage and binding and loosing and all these terms I’ve never heard before. I had to do a individual meeting and go through everything from my past and break it off. It was overwhelming.
They asked if I received my ” prayer language ” yet? I said no.
One woman touched me as she prayed in tongues and said I see it, it’s there! Just open your mouth and yield your tongue to the Holy Spirit and then it’ll flow..
I was afraid, confused.. I didn’t.
Majority of people there( big church) could do this and I felt as though I wanted this so much so that I too, could be edified. I always prayed about it.
Then more and more guests would come speak and one was talking about healing. I thought oh boy! This is it! I always felt as if I had something wrong with me. So he called those forward. Lots of people went forward. The next thing I know, I am knocked down all the way to the ground and nobody pushed me. I turned and looked and everyone is enjoying this that are on the ground. They’re laughing and rolling. I however felt weird and upset I thought, what am I doing? What do I do? Some people were like just stuck looking as if they were dead asleep. I immediately got up and ran to my car balling like God must just not love me because nothing seems to ever happen to me like these ” godly ” people. I didn’t go back to church for awhile after that and that’s when I fell into a bad depression. I was suicidal. Had a terrible marriage. My husband is military and so we were 1500 miles away from my family then. I remember talking to one of my sisters and she had called and told my aunt how I was acting and talking. My husband was threatening to have me committed. Before the phone call I was throwing everything away that had a frog, or owl on it for fear it was attached to demons.
I just couldn’t take another day of wondering why God didn’t love me or why he never answered my prayers and changed my husband.
So my aunt called me, prayed with me and told me they are wiring me money and want me to take the kids and get in the car and drive there and they will help me. I said ok. Her and my uncle had a couple of ministry’s. ” the ladybugg house” look it up lol that is where we stayed some. This is the first time I heard about gold dust and angel feathers. And there was a lady my aunt introduced me to who when she met me knew everything about me. It was creepy. She kept telling me, ” Amanda.. go to Linda for wisdom” the other ministry is called ” walking in the reign” balan Haiti but they have some odd stuff written on the blog.
My aunt had me do what they called a God encounter. I don’t know how to explain what it was. They bound every part of my body and rebuked everything before we began. I then laid down and one person asked me questions I’d answer as my aunt wrote down EVERYTHING. I do still have the paper I should probably throw it away?
As we began I was to close my eyes and picture the most beautiful place where I’d meet Jesus and wait for him and invite him to be with me. It was odd. There was yelling in my ear and I went through the past and saw things as this ” Jesus ” was showing me things. I regressed and was talking like a toddler even.
From what I know now I still to this day have bitterness towards my aunt. I know that I shouldn’t and it’s my fault. They were big into bill Johnson of Bethel. I like Jesus culture.
Long story short. .Eventually, i went back home.. my husband was broken and came to Christ. Several months later he prays in tongues. I have to be honest that I was upset. I started watching more of Bill’s videos. I would take long notes etc. I’d call my aunt and we’d get giddy about how awesome he was 🙄there was one video particularly where he is instructing you on how to open up the heavens and spirit realms. I was alarmed at first. Spirit realms? He then said.. it’s ok so of course I believed him! So I just repeated what he prayed … that night I went upstairs and again I prayed and also for my ” prayer language ” I also did pray these words from Jesus culture ” show me your glory, show me your glory, I wanna see your glory like Moses did etc.
oh my what a immature little dingbat I was.
As I was laying in bed my husband reached over touched my throat while praying in tongues and I just laid there. But then there was calm wind and my body began to rise. Once my husband stopped praying in tongues and moved his hand it was like my body slowly went down into itself. I can’t explain it without sounding crazy. But I wasn’t asleep. I sat there the rest of the night wondering what happened.
I remember the morning was exciting because I sat in the hall and asked God again to be able to pray in tongues I was stepping out in faith. Then all of the sudden as I yielded my tongue I started out with hallelujah.. then la la and it was like sentences were flowing out. it was like electricity running through me a little bit in my throat as I could pray in tongues. The more I did it, the more the language grew and I seemed to be saying new words.
My husband was actually asleep during this ” event ” and didn’t believe me. He had said, if this is real, you’ll be praying in the Spirit. 😂One night in bed I was praying this way, when I immediately was struck with fear, I kept repeating a word I recognized. It was allah ahbaha which means I was praising allah. I never prayed like that after that happened.
I was always afraid to say it wasn’t of God for fear I was blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
One night I was watching bill Johnson on YouTube on my tv. Automatically the next video will just come on when that one is over. It was called “catch the fire” conference by John and Carol arnott and bill was there. They were throwing imaginary fireballs at people and yelling woah! Twitching and shrieking I was definitely frightened. I asked God what they were doing, what was this? Around this time I had been praying for discernment. I grabbed my bible and just opened it up to where my finger was and it was right on 2 Peter 2right there! False Teachers! I was reading and absorbing it all in… wow! God is supernatural, God speaks to us! He is active! He spoke to me that moment through His Word. I went to get my husband and it just so happened he was listening to a message about false teachers too. My husband never liked Bethel church nor participated with me. But this was when he first started to take in and really take in Gods Word and expository teachers.
I however went through a very rough time. Not knowing what to believe what is right or wrong how to pray right or how not to talk… my husband did a complete 180 and is a cessationist and I was left alone. To figure it all out for myself. I am just now getting to the basics. I still struggle and have days I doubt my salvation, especially listening to a sermon from John MacArthur or Justin Peters 😂
June 30, 2017 at 7:02 pm
Kim
Amanda, thank you so much for sharing your story with us. A similar thing happened to me when I was desperately looking for answers. I found them in my Bible. Certain verses leapt out at me and answered my questions.
I am a soft cessationist…..I believe God speaks mainly through the written Word. But He will intervene. Usually when you are weak. We are to walk in faith…not by sight.
Your testimony reminds of the many that have been posted on Amy Spreeman’s website. It is about people leaving the New Apostolic Reformations and its false teachings. Perhaps you will find them interesting.
http://bereanresearch.org/category/leaving-the-nar-church/
November 6, 2017 at 1:51 pm
lascarletlettre
Odd manifestations from Bethel:
Hi, I’m wonderg if you’ve come across anyone or heard anything about involuntary movements: neck jerking, odd body movements(like someone is pushing you forward from your back causing your stomach area to jolt forward) after a person has participated in prayer, fire tunnels, opening themselves to receive “more of God,” at Bethel or any of the “revival affiliates?” I guess Bethel would call it Holy Spirit “manifestation.”
I was a student of Bethel’s “School of Supernatural Ministry,” back in 2009, had accepted their truth of Holy Spirit manifesting in odd ways & was “open” mentally to experiencing however Holy Spirit wanted to manifest in me or upon me.
My body had never moved in the way it started to after I “mentally” opened up to whatever Holy Spirit wanted to. I just let go & allowed “whatever” to happen & all of a sudden I started to bounce in my seat, even flail around on the floor, where 2 other students carried me out, it was like no big deal & I just needed to let Holy Spirit do what He wanted to. Neck jerks started to occur, & other odd body movements & they have continued since then. I can control it, but feel like I become tense versus relaxed. When I try to relax my body, these jerks start to occur.
Does this sound familiar to you? If so, do you know anyone who has dealt with it & gotten rid of it? The manifestations look a lot like “The Kundalini Spirit” manifestations from YouTube videos. If the vid pops up, the girl in white, a quarter through the vid, does the body movements I do.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6GQxMpcS1p8
I am no longer involved & do not follow anything from Bethel anymore.