The first time i heard of Rick Warren was when that kidnapped women supposedly saved her captor. Remember this:
New York Times
September 28, 2005
Celebrated Hostage Gave Crystal Meth to Captor
By EDWARD WYATT Ashley Smith, who was held hostage in her apartment in March by the man now charged with murder in the Atlanta courthouse shootings, was hailed as a hero after she disclosed how she had persuaded her captor to surrender, partly by reading to him from the spiritual best seller “The Purpose-Driven Life.”But in a memoir released yesterday, Ms. Smith also recounts that she gave the kidnapper some of her supply of crystal methamphetamine during her captivity and that she did not tell the police for some time afterward.
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Almost 2 years have passed since that incident. I do not know what has happened since to that women or her kidnapper but i sure know a lot more about Rick Warren.
When i first heard of “The Purpose-Driven Life” i assumed that it was probably a good book and full of inspiration for the Christian life. But here is what i discovered instead….
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/saddleback_church.html
by David Cloud
Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, pastored by Rick Warren, is one of the most influential churches in the world. Warren says, “This is a world class church making a world class impact.” He is right about the impact, but sadly that impact is not encouraging strict faithfulness to God’s Word. Everything about Saddleback is shallow. Truth has been boiled down to such a low common denominator that not much is left. For example, the Saddleback Statement of Faith has six simple points.
Note the following statement on salvation, which we are quoting in full: “Salvation is a gift from God to mankind. We can never make up for our sin by self-improvement or good works. Only by trusting in Jesus Christ as God’s offer of forgiveness can we be saved from sin’s penalty. Eternal life begins the moment we receive Jesus Christ into our life by faith.”
Note that the gospel is not actually given in this statement. There is nothing about Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection, nothing about His shed blood and atonement. Sinners are exhorted to trust Christ but that is not explained in any sense whatsoever.God has commanded us not only to believe sound doctrine but also to earnestly contend for it (Jude 3).
That means we are to fight aggressively against that which is false. This is exactly what we see in the uncompromising ministry of the Lord’s apostles. Their epistles contain strong and clear warnings about false teaching. Paul often named the names of the false teachers. Such a ministry naturally causes divisions between those who are committed to the truth and those who are following error. Paul made no effort whatsoever to avoid doctrinal controversy.
Our day is described plainly in Bible prophecy: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (2 Timothy 4:3-4).
Rick Warren claims that he has not compromised the Word of God with his principles and methods, that he has only modernized them; but when I look into the book of Acts and the Epistles I see a different kind of Christianity, a different kind of church there, than the one that Rick Warren has devised. Thus I must reject Warren’s Purpose Driven methods and I must warn those who have an ear to hear, regardless of how small that crowd may be, that they not heed the siren call of the contemporary church growth gurus. It is fearful that this church is influencing thousands around the world.
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Have you heard of Warrens Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan? What possibly could be wrong with wanting peace on this earth. Well, plenty….the way Warren is planning to achieve this peace. Wait a minute..doesn’t the Bible predicts wars and rumors of war? Does Christ ever predict peace before his return? Nope. Here is what P.E.A.C.E. actually stands for:
P – promoting reconciliation
E – equip leaders
A – assist the poor
C – care for the sick
E – educate the next generation
Sounds great doesn’t it? But let’s take a look at Matthew 24:6-11 Here is what Jesus says about the signs of His return.
Mat 24:6 “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these things are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all the nations for my name’s sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”
I attended a kick-off celebration at a neighboring church who is signing on to the “40 days of Community”. The workbook i purchased from their table is subtitled, “Better Together…What on earth are we here for? A CHURCHWIDE SPIRITUAL GROWTH CAMPAIGN.” First we watched a video of Rick Warren. The ad in the New Age section* of my local paper said he was speaking at the church, but this didn’t happen. The pastor called the video a “Rick-Fix”. Here are some of the pastors quotes:
You cannot fulfill God’s purposes by yourself.
The 40 Days of Community takes us from, me and God, to we and God.
Do this as a cell group.
We are to impress others with our love of others.
We are to focus on our relationships together.
We have the longing for belonging.
The key in interdependence.
Okay, so here we have a program that is stressing the relationships that we have with one another instead of the relationship that we have with God. On our little worksheet that was handed out to us, we learned that the “Community” is God’s answer to lonliness, getting more work done, defeat, waiting, and witnessing.
Here is where i lost it….What is witnessing the pastor asked? “SPREADING THE LIFE MESSAGE” was the answer.
Life message? Hello….Excuse me? What about the Gospel? Is this what Rick Warrens main thrust is. THE LIFE MESSAGE. I am still not over this. Let’s thumb through the book.
pg. 30 ” This is your chance to choose your spiritual legacy, which will also transform your physical legacy.”
(I thought we were to do God’s will for us, that He had plan for our lives…does this mean i get to choose God’s will for me? My spiritual legacy? I have no desire for legacy. All the Glory is for God, not man…..)
pg. 44 “We is more powerful than me.”
pg. 57 “The bottom line is this: People don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care. Non-believers, like most of us, are looking for deep, true, supportive friendships.”
(Not me…i search only for Christ, He takes care of the rest)
pg 59 You’ve got to spend time with nonbelievers in order to becomes friends with them.”
( I thought we were not be friends with the world but to be separate)
There is some really good stuff in the book too. Inspirational but that’s about it…This is a book about good works. Good works…is…er…good!… but even a non-believer can do good works, so what is the difference here? This body of good-workers support and love and pray for each other….This is absolutely wonderful…but? Okay, time to move on.. let us take a look at the Missions Projects Booklet and see what this particular church has selected. Food drive, county park clean-up, Crisis Clinic, HIV/Aids Foundation, Hospice of *****County, God’s Kitchen and Closet…OK.. again all good stuff. BUT NO EVANGELIZING……There is NO training for evangelizing, no mention of evangelizing.
What is the Great Commission?
Great Commission
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In Christian tradition, the Great Commission is the instruction of the resurrected Jesus Christ to his disciples, that they spread his teachings to all the nations of the world.
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Scanning this book “Better Together”, it is very easy to pick up on questionable statements. But the rule is this. I Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? (KJV)
This is from the King James Version. “Better Together” uses the NIV, GW, CEV, NCV, NLT, LB, Msg, TEV,GNB, NASB, NKJV, NJB, and the ESV. It must be nice to have so many versions to select from. In fact, there are thirteen versions. Then you can select the version that best matches the point you want to make.
I applaud those who want to serve Christ and do His will, and encourage those who in His will are seeking the lost and spreading the Gospel. But many professing Christians do not even know what the gospel message is. The Gospel is this…Jesus died and rose again, and He took our sins upon Himself. We need to repent of our sin and turn AWAY from it. It is our faith that leads and sustains us as our santification grows in Christ.
What is Christ asking you to do for Him today? By having a relationship with the Lord, He will reveal what His specific plan is for you. He will lead you. He will guide you. Yes, we need our brothers and sisters in Christ, but His will be done…not our will that is created by another man’s agenda.
kim


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March 17, 2008 at 8:59 am
John
I apologies Mr Abanes did leave comments on his views on the Roman Catholic Church and hey what a surprise they do not differ than what we already have spoken about on the issues with his and rick Warrens Ideology and methdology. ie looking for the similarities between Christianity and non-Christian religions and attempting to build a bridge based on those similarities! Which I will add is diametrically opposed to Biblical Evangelism.
But as i said before what Mr Abanes and Mr Warren is doing is not about just a methodology to draw people into the Church ie “bait and switch” “Deception” IT IS about expanding Christian Beliefs through synchretism.
It is deeply disturbing the way in which Mr Abanes and Mr Warren downplay the apostate and idolotrous practices of such churches as the Roman Catholic Church and their, possible wilful disregard about how these apostate and idolotrous traditions make the areas where Fundamentalist and Roman Catholicism agree of “none affect”
Annd Mr Abanes in regards to this statement:
“Oh, and just a piece of advise — dude, lighten up, go see a movie, take a walk on the beach, spend some time in prayer and ask Christ our Lord to calm your spirit so you can think more clearly and not keep slandering people in your zeal to ….. well, do whatever it is that you’re trying to do. Your actions/response, IMHO, are not god-honoring in the least.”
this statement betrays a clear lack of maturity on your part. no where in my comments have I made personal comments about you, and these types of comments have no place in what is Christian discourse. And not to mention that your statements about my zeal are not Biblically based. Of course that is not a surprise as the rest of your comments are not Biblically based either. I am at great peace with God and my comments unlike yours do honor God and not men.
March 17, 2008 at 9:31 am
Mary
Richard,
I am waiting to hear what you have to say about catholics. Would you mind answering that?
Also, after reading about ex mormons who become believers in Christ and leave the mormon church, I don’t recall any who needed to find common ground between mormonism and christianity in order to be won to Christ. Do we need to find common ground with satanists or wiccans in order to win them to Christ?
March 17, 2008 at 9:32 am
TJSmith
Ah that good old word pragmatism… I sat in a pastors office, of this Purpose Driven Church, I went to, and questioned him about two areas of teaching. IHOP and the Latter Rain teachings and PDL which are both at this church. His response to me was that he was a pragmatic thinker and that he can find God in anything, so he wasn’t to concerned about the things that he might find unbiblical because we can find God and truth in it somewhere.
My contention with that thinking is, “Great!, bring in any kind of supposed Christian thinking/teaching and let it fly to the body in this church. You’ll find God in it somewhere but let’s never take that teaching and point out the errors so that the body is learning the right biblical doctrine. I find that this seems to be the thought of any of the PDL type churches in this town and there are a lot of them, different denominations, that are following the PDL method.
Again, I have a friend that was on staff at the PDL church that I am speaking of and after about 5 years of being in this church he began to see the error of the teaching that is coming out of this method. Theology drives method and the theology is a weak gospel, evident in the lives that are still in a sinful life style of many of the parishoners who have “supposedly had a regeneration by the Holy Spirit and caused then to meet Jesus.
I still believe that further research in the PDL model really follows a semi-plegian theology and not the fundamentistic theology as we are being led to believe that the PDL Rick Warren method is suppose to be.
March 17, 2008 at 9:33 am
Mary
John said”I apologies Mr Abanes did leave comments on his views on the Roman Catholic Church and hey what a surprise they do not differ than what we already have spoken about on the issues with his and rick Warrens Ideology and methdology. ie looking for the similarities between Christianity and non-Christian religions and attempting to build a bridge based on those similarities! Which I will add is diametrically opposed to Biblical Evangelism.”
sorry, I didn’t see that.
March 17, 2008 at 9:41 am
Richard Abanes
It’s hopeless……… 😦
March 17, 2008 at 10:02 am
Richard Abanes
MARY,
You wrote: after reading about ex mormons who become believers in Christ and leave the mormon church, I don’t recall any who needed to find common ground between mormonism and christianity in order to be won to Christ.
If you want to see how ex-Mormons feel about my approach, I suggest you contact Sandra Tanner, great-grand daughter of Brigham Young and THE most prolific and well-established and respected ex-Mormon out there who has been ministering to Mormons for decades from Salt Lake City. You call her, any of you call her, and you ask her about my work against Mormonism. Go ahead — call, write, email, whatever. Never in a million years did I ever think I’d be questioned about my stand on Mormonism. This has become surreal.
http://www.utlm.org/
March 17, 2008 at 10:19 am
Mary
Just a comment Richard,
I have heard of ex mormons who had that burning in their hearts – a false holy spirit cast out of them in order to be truly free.
as an ex catholic, I am sooo glad someone didn’t try to build common ground between cathlolism and Biblical Christianity with me.What I needed was the word of God unadulterated. The gospel pure and simple. My father read the purpose driven life and still prays to Mary. Thanks Rick Warren.
March 17, 2008 at 10:30 am
Tim H
Richard,
I have been in a church that has followed the Purpose Driven model for over 12 years. I will state that the success rate of the number of people who have come through that church and recieved Christ is staggering. They seem to have at least 900 to 1200 people raise their hands to the “say this prayer and welcome to the family of God.”
My problem is that I have not seen very many people make a truely life changing living style in the church. There are a few but I believe because the PDL is a weak gospel, the fruit is weak also. Even after every person who goes through 101, 102, 103, 104, and they even have a 105 class the % of change is poor and a few have walked away disllusioned.
How would you address this issue? You talk that Rick Warren is fundamental but all of the training that the leadership has taken in this model church are not teaching or preaching fundamentalism from the platform. It is all about production of a service to meet the felt need of the pre-christian but the felt need is nothing to the truth of mans depravity and sinfulness and without that realization the “making a decision for Christ” seems to be a false pretense. It is a back door method.
March 17, 2008 at 10:46 am
Richard Abanes
Mary: I have heard of ex mormons who had that burning in their hearts
RA: What’s this have to do with anything? Call Utah Lighthouse and ask them about my stand on Mormonism. If you’re not interested in truth, don’t call them
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Mary: as an ex catholic, I am sooo glad someone didn’t try to build common ground between Cathlolism and Biblical Christianity with me.
RA: Yeah, well I’m an ex-Catholic, too. So don’t tell me about the problems with Catholicism, I know them first hand, and I have my own scars to bear and wounds that sometimes open from that experience. Mkay?
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Mary: What I needed was the word of God unadulterated. The gospel pure and simple.
RA: Amen. That’s what i needed too. And guess who gave it to me…. A Roman Catholic. They said Jesus was the only way, that I needed to read my Bible, and to not be concerned with what men said about God. And that I needed to accept Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. Sound biblical? This is the point — the Roman Catholic Church is not some monolithic structure wherein everyone believes the same thing.
You need to do more reading on Catholicism to see its depth and complexity and the arguments on all sides of the issue with regard to how exactly we should view it. I suggest: Roman Catholics and Evangelicals (Baker Books, 1995) by Dr. Norman Geisler, co-author with Ralph Mackenzie. You might also want to check out the articles on Catholicism from the Christian Research Institute: http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaMNJrE/b.2106253/
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MARY: My father read the purpose driven life and still prays to Mary. Thanks Rick Warren.
RA: Don’t blame Rick Warren — blame your father.
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TIM: My problem is that I have not seen very many people make a truly life changing living style in the church. There are a few but I believe because the PDL is a weak gospel, the fruit is weak also.
RA: This is a problem in many churches, and also a problem with crusades where masses of people come forward. It’s not just confined to PDL. And it also could be an issue of the church where PDL is being taught, not necessarily PDL.
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TIM: Even after every person who goes through 101, 102, 103, 104, and they even have a 105 class the % of change is poor and a few have walked away disillusioned. How would you address this issue?
RA: Very good questions and comments. I have done no study on this issue, however. What I do see at Saddleback is that many people who accept Christ, go through the classes, and keep moving forward in Christ end up having a vibrant walk with the Lord. Those who do not, for whatever reasons, do not. This is to be expected as a fact of life, given Christ’s parable about the good seed and the various kinds of soil onwhich it falls.
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TIM: You talk that Rick Warren is fundamental but all of the training that the leadership has taken in this model church are not teaching or preaching fundamentalism from the platform.
RA: Might I suggest that you read these teachings from Warren — from the “platform” as you put it:
http://abanes.com/cross_sin_hell.html
http://abanes.com/Warren_Doctrine.html
http://abanes.com/repent.html
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Oh, BTW, is anyone going to chastise John for lying about my views on Mormonism? Just curious.
R. Abanes
March 17, 2008 at 10:46 am
Tim H
They seem to have at least 900 to 1200 people raise their hands
left off “per year”
March 17, 2008 at 10:48 am
Richard Abanes
answer posted – awaiting moderation due to links I believe
March 17, 2008 at 11:00 am
Kim
Richard,
Yes, i just got back home.
A comment is held for moderation if it has multiple links, and if i do not get it in time it goes into spam for deletion.
Your comment has been added.
March 17, 2008 at 11:05 am
Richard Abanes
TY, Kim.
And again, I want you to know I appreciate you allowing this to go forward so I can correct mis-statements about my walk with Christ, my faith in (and defense of) scripture, and my views on other religions such as Mormonism.
March 17, 2008 at 11:08 am
Mary
Richard said “This is the point — the Roman Catholic Church is not some monolithic structure wherein everyone believes the same thing.”
Nice try Richard. They have just learned from their evangelical critics how to sound more evangelical.
yeah I do blame Rick Warren, he’s supposed to be the evangleical teacher. My father isn’t saved.
March 17, 2008 at 11:11 am
Tim H
Richard,
I personally don’t know your work or have read ANY of your books to determine who is and isn’t telling the truth. But I had a very good friend who worked with the Tanners whom I believe has since gone to be with the Lord, I am not sure as we have lost contact with them, and they were very much a part of the God Makers project and Ex-Mormons for Jesus.
I also had taken much of their teaching in the past and can say without a doubt that in those days they didn’t comprimise on the gospel. Not sure about their (the Tanners) direction now so I cannot chastise at this point without real research.
RA: Might I suggest that you read these teachings from Warren — from the “platform” as you put it:
TH: Are these teaching from Sunday service or to the Wednesday crowd as part of leadership training? Not sure what difference it makes but my experience has been that the Sunday message is much different than the Wednesday teaching at the church I went to?
March 17, 2008 at 11:48 am
Richard Abanes
Mary: Yeah I do blame Rick Warren, he’s supposed to be the evangleical teacher. My father isn’t saved.
RA: Has your father ever read the Bible? God is the best teacher of all. You can’t get much more perfect than scripture. And he’s STILL Catholic?! To follow your reasoning, now you have to blame God.
And, BTW, what if your father had STOPPED being a Catholic after reading Warren’s book — then would you have assigned Warren credit!??? Doubtful. And that would have been wrong to do anyway. So, basically, your saying you are willing to BLAME Warren if your father doesn’t leave Catholicism after reading the book, but you’d be unwilling (and rightly so) to give him credit if your father DID leave Catholicism after reading the book. Not very fair , now is it?
And has your father ever heard YOU preach the gospel and tell him he should leave Catholicism? What, he said no? No you can blame yourself, too. Has he ever heard any other preachers you consider biblically sound? What, he s still Catholic. Now put them in the blame camp with Warren as well.
I think you get my point — I hope.
March 17, 2008 at 11:50 am
Richard Abanes
TIM: Are these teaching from Sunday service or to the Wednesday crowd as part of leadership training? Not sure what difference it makes but my experience has been that the Sunday message is much different than the Wednesday teaching at the church I went to?
RA: All venues, as well as in online articles at pastors.com. In fact, just this last week and the week before he has been doing Sunday teachings on the reality of HELL (there’s a good one) and heaven — and the only way to escape hell is by accepting Jesus Christ ans his work for us on the cross. Seems acceptable to me.
March 17, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Mary
He read PDL and still thinks catholicism is compatible with saying the prayer and weak gospel presentation that Rick Warren gives.
Thant is Rick’s problem because he gives a weak presentation.
Bable on Richard. I’ve heard enough. PDL and Rick Warren’s teachings belong in the trash can.
March 17, 2008 at 12:27 pm
John
RA Said:
:Has your father ever read the Bible? God is the best teacher of all. You can’t get much more perfect than scripture. And he’s STILL Catholic?! To follow your reasoning, now you have to blame God.”
I say: this is the kind of statement by Mr Abanes that is out of line and should be stopped in its tracks. What is going on here with Mr Abanes is constant rationalization and double speak. not to mention the fact that he is acting like the teflon Don for Rick Warren, absolving Rick Warren for any blame for peopling remaining in apostate and idolotrous religions where Rick Warren promotes the PDL.
What Mr Abanes is saying in regards to Rick Warrens lack of culpability in this is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to how God’s Word says Shepherds are supposed to function! Shepherds are not to do anything that would potentially lead anyone astray.
Rick Warren has worldwide exposure. By him going into Catholic Churches and working with the Catholic Priesthood to implement the PDC and PDL in their Churches without asking them to repent he is in effect saying that The Catholic Catechism is alright. But even if he did ask them to repent the PDL & PDC are so diametrically opposed to Scripture, what whould he be asking them to repent from and into?
By working with Catholic Priests, who by the way take the right of Alter Christus (an alternative Christ) he is working with an Anti-Christ System.
Tell me since when did Christ or any of the Apostles work with Satan to win people to salvation?
Now again if Mr Abanes was straight up he will either say he believes the Roman Catholic Faith is a Valid Christian Faith and Rick Warren is just working with who he believes are part of the True Church or he will say that the Roman Catholic church is not a valid Christian Faith and Rick Warren is wrong in what he is doing and should stop. END OF STORY!
This is an area where an clear either or answer is possible.
But you will not get that from Mr Abanes, all you will get is continuing double talk! So whats the point! Why give him a forum to do so?
March 17, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Kim
John, I agree…..
There have been many comments and accusations of “LIAR”.
The name calling makes me think of Luke 6:45
“The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.”
Then Matthew 12:36-37
“But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted and by your words you will be condemned.”
I think most of us here are concerned about those in PDL churches. The comments from those who have been in these churches have been most revealing. I thank you for sharing your concerns, and please pray for those who need the full counsel of God.
I believe the concerns are well-founded and that we should continue to keep a vigilant watch for those who are being mislead and are in apostate churches where they are being fed milk instead of meat, and being led to believe that community is more important than a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.
March 17, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Kim
Richard,
Thank you for talking with us. May the Holy Spirit lead you in all things.
kim
March 17, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Kim
Wow….A friend told me to look at RA’s website and here is what he says about New-Ager Ken Blanchard.
“Nearly three years have passed now since the controversy, and I have heard Blanchard speak on various occasions. And by his words and deeds, I can only believe that he has truly fought, and continues to fight, to grow in the grace and knowledge of his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.”
And this about discernment ministries and LighthouseTrails Research
“They have continued to resurrect the old controversy from 2005, declaring that Blanchard has not done enough to prove he has truly repented. As of 2008, this is basically where the Ken Blanchard controversy stands.”
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blanchard.htm (Ken Blanchard promoting the New Age and Buddhism)
I trust LighthouseTrails and for Abanes to endorse Blanchard is the icing on the cake.
Here is a link or read below:
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/newsletter110107.htm#LETTER.BLOCK7
Rick Warren Welcomes New Age Proponent Ken Blanchard Back to Saddleback
As reported on 10/28/07 by Lighthouse Trails:
Rick Warren announced both in an interview on Fox News and in an email to his congregants that New Age sympathizer Ken Blanchard is returning to Saddleback to speak to the congregation this weekend [October 28]. Below is a copy of the email Warren sent out on Friday October 26th.
For those who may not understand the significance of this bold move by Rick Warren to invite Ken Blanchard back to Saddleback (and to announce it on Fox News), the following information will be vital to read.
In Summary: Rick Warren announced in 2003 that Ken Blanchard would be working together with him on implementing the peace plan and training leaders around the world. However, when it came out that Blanchard had been promoting eastern meditation, Buddhism, and the New Age for over 20 years, Warren denied that Blanchard would be working on the peace plan. Warren contacted Lighthouse Trails regarding this. Because thousands of Christian churches are still following the Purpose Driven program, thinking that they are following a biblical plan, when in fact they are walking toward a dangerous, ecumenical cliff and a false belief that there will be global peace and the kingdom of God here on earth before Christ returns (read Faith Undone), we are reposting this information. Blanchard, who has been a professing Christian since the 80s, has consistently promoted the New Age, and to this day is still endorsing New Age type books and is still on the advisory board of the Hoffman Institute, where New Age practices and beliefs permeate. While Warren denied that Blanchard would be working with him on the peace plan, documentation below shows otherwise including a video of Rick Warren stating such and also a transcript of a conversation at a Lead Like Jesus conference in Alabama between Warren and Blanchard.
Ken Blanchard is back at Saddleback today (October 28th), and while Rick Warren is using the terrible fires in S. California as a reason to bring Blanchard back, there is a lot more to consider than houses being lost. While we sympathize with Blanchard and the many others who have lost their homes to the fires, the spiritual lives of countless people throughout the world could be affected too. For those who may not understand why Rick Warren would bring Blanchard in again, there is an obvious and documented explanation – he resonates with the same spirituality as Blanchard, as is carefully shown in A Time of Departing and Faith Undone.
Note: Rick Warren has sat on Blanchard’s national advisory board for many years, along with New Age proponents Mark Victor Hansen (Chicken Soup for the Soul) and Laurie Beth Jones. When Blanchard’s website was revamped, the list of board members was removed. Attempts were made to receive a copy of the current board member list, but Lead Like Jesus would not release it. If you would like to know who is currently on the board at Lead Like Jesus, click here for contact information.
Click here to read the rest of this article and for documentation and references.
March 17, 2008 at 2:19 pm
cheryl U.
Richard,
Just some quick comments here referring back to the discussion about the Warren quote regarding learning a lot of truth from different religions.
First of all, why in the world would a Christian who has God’s perfect word that is profitable for doctrine, correction, instruction in righteousness, and reproof, making a man perfect and equipped for every good work. (II Tim. 3:16-17) need to go any other religion to learn a lot of different truth? Kind of belittles the Word of God in my opinion! Also, your argument that the Apostle Paul used quotes from the pagan world around him to reach the folks he was talking to being the same as what Warren said just does not cut it. Knowing those quotes from being surrounded by that culture is one thing. No where did Paul say that he went to those other relilgions to learn those truths.
Cheryl
March 17, 2008 at 2:36 pm
cheryl U.
Richard,
One more thing. Whether you believe that the P.E.A.C.E. plan entails being unequally yoked with unbelievers or not, can you tell me one place in the Bible where it is either commanded or taught by example that we should work together with those of non Christian governments, NGO’s, those of other religions, atheists, etc. to accomplish the parts of the P.E.A.C.E. plan? I’m sorry, but if such commands or examples exist, I simply cannot think of them. I think that this truly does have to be called pragmatic–if it works do it. Christian good works in Scripture were simply that–Christian good works. They were not mixed in with those of the world.
Cheryl
March 17, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Mary
John said:
“What is going on here with Mr Abanes is constant rationalization and double speak.”
I am frankly stunned by Richard’s last comment to me. Double speak you bet.
FYI Richard,
Since I am my Dad’s baby girl (always in his eyes even though I’m a grown woman) and the youngest in my family, what I say is not taken very seriously. I had hoped that what I have been saying all along would be stated in PDL and would carry more credibility. But instead it was just a muddied version of the gospel.
Richard you give me shivers. your mask is off. And I don’t like what I see.
March 17, 2008 at 4:37 pm
indywatchman
I’ll admit one thing RA sure does get around. This respected author and apologist will do battle with anyone, even though the word is out on his buddy RW. You can not win an argument with him. It is more like a war of attrition, and he thinks he has all the bullets. It has been noted that not everyone respects RA. It appears that there was an issue of RA’s plagiarizing some material for his own benefit and profit of which I can find no place where RA has repented for his misdeed. When the real author wouldn’t let up pursuing the issue RA sent in his friend to pressure the author to lighten up. RA is a scoundrel, a real man of the world. He seems to be a bully who wants to beat up on every one who exposes his friend RW. After all, what are friends for if you can’t use them to put pressure on your opponents. Below is a link that may shed a little light on who it is that you are dealing with.
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Compaq_Owner/Desktop/Warren%20Documentation/abanes-frost.htm
Steve Blackwell
March 17, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Lynn
So thankful to see the outcome of this exchange between Richard Abanes and all of you here. Richard has been hitting websites like this with his trademark self-righteous doublespeak followed by abusive (belittling and demeaning) shame tactics, and it sickened me to see him come on here with his schpiel and railroad this discussion like he’s so wont to do.
I was “this close” to posting a long diatribe about Richard’s wiles. A friend and I have been tracking Richard’s activities and interacting with him on other weblogs (most sadly a couple of pastors’ weblogs where we found the spiritual blindness to be at an all-time high) and have grown real familiar with his tactics.
But you saw through his tactics, and that is a beautiful thing. The subjects of Ken Blanchard (so obviously sympathetic to new age/new spiritualities — be sure to visit the Hoffman website, and read up on the Hoffman Quadrinity Process), and Rick’s work with the Catholic churches, makes only too obvious that the true Gospel of Christ is not what Rick Warren, or Richard Abanes, can really be about, even IF RW DOES preach on subjects like Hell and the need for faith in Christ from time to time. Warren is truly a master at doublespeak. He speaks with forked tongue. All around the world and back, he presents to unbelieving, worldly audiences not an ounce of the true gospel at all. He never confronts his audiences with the truth of their of their need for repentance and salvation in Christ, but instead sings them a lullaby about how precious they are to God just the way they are, as long as they do good in the world. (And it doesn’t matter who you partner with? or the motives/motivation for doing good? (in this he includes government and corporate agencies… it’s incredible to hear him say this (Davos Conference, TED Conference, World Economic Forum… unbelievable!))
It wasn’t mentioned here, but in addition to RW’s willingness to help the Roman Catholic church implement his PDC/PDL stuff, he has also been encouraging the rabbis of “Synagogue 3000” to up their numbers and improve the life of the Jewish “community” with the same pragmatic garbage he has sold the churches.
SO… (By now I feel like shouting it): THERE IS NO WAY RICK WARREN CAN POSSIBLY STAND FOR TRUE, BIBLICAL, SAVING FAITH!!!
I was just saying to my husband, “My but the wolves look and sound incredibly like sheep these days! It is amazing how clever, and how devious they are, sounding so plausible and genuine. You really have to dig deep and keep up a valiant effort to uncover the truth with these guys. Richard is campaigning for Warren wherever he finds Warren being discussed and questioned.
This was an incredible exchange, with many bumps along the way, but you DID it — you DID it. Trouble is, many will not be as astute or well-informed as the folks here at Kim’s website are, and Richard is very effective in shutting down the opposition and coming out smelling like a rose.
His self-righteous and belittling tone give him away, to those who know what to look for. And the subjects he manages to escape actually addressing.
March 17, 2008 at 6:03 pm
bystander
Rich do you have an email address, I would like to talk to you, I am in fulll support of what you are saying,
March 17, 2008 at 6:06 pm
tjsmith
Links did not work. Here are a few others:
http://www.cultlink.com/ar/abanes-frost.htm
http://biblicalthought.com/blog/sheep-without-a-shepherd/
http://www.truth.tc/information/RichardAbanes.html
Interesting:
Look at post 77 in the next link…
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:7BKqoyE9fZAJ:p094.ezboard.com/fpacumenispagesfrm71.showMessageRange%3FtopicID%3D230.topic%26start%3D121%26stop%3D140+abanes-frost.htm&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=11&gl=us
March 17, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Mary
Mr. Blackwell,
I couldn’t find that link you provided. I would very much like to read the document.
March 17, 2008 at 6:53 pm
nancy
Bystander,
You can get contact info for Richard at the bottom of the links provided in the Richard’s 10:46 posts above.
March 17, 2008 at 7:04 pm
John
Update on the Richard Abanes and Winston Frost Plagiarism Allegations
http://www.cultlink.com/ar/abanes-frost.htm
March 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm
John
You can find the article Mr Blackwell is speaking of on this website:
The Christian Sentinel
if you do a google search on the following, leaving the quotes in:
“Update on the Richard Abanes and Winston Frost Plagiarism Allegations”
You will find the article
I didnt put the hyperlink in because as Kim said above any post that has a link has to be moderated and if she doesnt catch it, it may get deleted in the worpress spam folder.
God Bless,
John
March 17, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Lori
Never knew until now that Rick Warren was CFR too! YouTube video of Rick W. in Davos.
Rick Warren – Religious Pluralism – Where is the gospel?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ptGh_xU2PCc
World Economic Forum
Faith and Modernization
http://www.weforum.org/en/knowledge/Events/KN_SESS_SUMM_23765?url=/en/knowledge/Events/KN_SESS_SUMM_23765
I don’t know if you all know who Peter Wagner is? Rick Warren has ties to him also. The church I used to attend but was very heavy into Domionism and The New Apostolic Reformation, market place ministries. It took me 3 years to see what was going on. I praise the Lord for leading my husband and I out of there.
Blessings,
Lori
March 17, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Lee
Lori,
Thanks for the links. And, yes, praise the Lord you were led out of your previous church.
Yes, I’m familiar with C. Peter Wagner, self-professed “apostle” who is the “Presiding Apostle” on their website:
http://www.apostlesnet.net/
right alongside “prophet” Chuck Pierce.
I do believe the New Apostolic Reformation will align itself with the Purpose Driven model (or vice versa) which will align itself with the New Age (there’s already new age ideals in both camps) and eventually overtake the Christian church. Stay in the Word everyone!
March 17, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Kim
John, and all…
You can put up to 3 links in a comment without moderation. For some reason yours did not auto post. Sometimes WP has a mind of its own. I was at Bible Study Fellowship tonight.
Great comments. Thank you all for the information.
Lee….
I too believe that the PDL churches will merge with the New Reformation Churches, (New Apostolic Reformation). This networking is covered extensively by Lynne and Sarah Leslie at http://herescope.blogspot.com/ I received training at a http://Discernment-Ministries.org seminar last year.
Try this:
http://herescope.blogspot.com/search?q=networking
March 18, 2008 at 4:15 am
indywatchman
Sorry for the bad link. I guess the link I was trying to give you was a file on my computer and not a web address. I’ll learn how to use this darn thing one of these days. Blessings to all I have enjoyed the visit.
Steve Blackwell
http://www.cultlink.com/ar/abanes-frost.htm
March 18, 2008 at 6:55 am
Kim
http://christianresearchnetwork.info/submissions-2/
Richard submitted our comments to this website. I guess this site is Rick Warren friendly.
March 18, 2008 at 8:23 am
Tim H
Just so you know, I am going over there to continue the discussion I want to have with Richard. I have no judgement towards Rick Warren (saved or not, that is not my judgement call but the Lords) but rather I have a real problem with “seeker-sensitive” church and how things are produced all for the sake of the (based on the numbers game from my old church) 1% of the congregation that are unbelievers.
March 18, 2008 at 11:21 am
Lori
Lee,
I’m so sorry if you had to experience any of the teachings of the Super Apostles/Prophets. It was hard for us to leave and one didn’t question or point out any error or you were labeled as having a Jezebel spirit, rebellious spirit etc. Can’t be like the Berean’s in Act’s 17 and question any the teachings or prophecies.
It is funny how you start seeing all the pieces of the puzzle coming together and just who and how they are connected. Can’t help but wonder if somehow this is going to be the end time so called church (not the true church.) I pop into the Elijah List now and again to see what they are up to and am saddened.
Something else pretty interesting is this “Reclaiming 7 mountains.”
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2007/12/rethinking-eschatology.html
Blessings,
Lori
March 18, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Kim
Lori,
This 7 mountain/spheres is alarming. Peter Drucker advocated the 3 legged stool which has been picked up by Kay Warren. Here is a portion from Herescope.
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To underscore this point, Kay Warren advocates for Peter Drucker’s 3-legged stool philosophy later in the interview:
“We believe the church has been the missing leg of a three-legged stool. Governments are doing things. Private sector businesses are doing things, trying to go after global giants, but the church has been absent. We have been trying to bring the church back to the table and say “It’s going to take all three.” The main reason is that the church has the widest distribution center. The church exists in places where there is nothing else. To utilize the distribution channels for care and compassion and teaching and training. It’s the way to go. It’s smart!”
Peter Drucker’s 3-legged stool philosophy teaches that a “healthy” society is built upon three sectors: a public sector of government (State); a private sector of businesses (Corporations); and a social sector of community, church and charitable organizations.” Each of these sectors must ultimately be accountable to the State, which sets the standards for results that are measurable. A thorough reading of Peter Drucker’s philosophy reveals that the CHURCH must come under the umbrella of the STATE in order to most effectively function. This represents a substantial change in doctrine and worldview, and unbiblically alters the structure and function of the local body of believers.
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C. Peter Wagner (Rick Warren’s mentor from Fuller Seminary) is furthering the concept by advocating the 7 mountain concept. Instead of merely 3 sectors we now have seven.
Austin Transformation has picked up on this and developed the 7 gates/spheres into 21 sectors. The instruction is to take all of these strongholds/structures and to take them to establish the Kingdom of God here on earth. Dominionism at its finest.
It is clear to see how the end-time world religion is being structured.
http://austintransformation.com
March 18, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Bud Press
Dear Brothers and Sisters:
Praise the Lord for your courage to speak the truth in love.
Speaking of Ken Blanchard and his continued direct involvement in the New Age Movement, please refer to the in-depth articles and information at
http://www.christianresearchservice.com/LeadingLikeJesus.htm
Your comments and questions are welcomed.
Thanks, Kim, and God bless you all,
Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
http://www.christianresearchservice.com
Jude 3
March 18, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Kim
Bud,
Thank you for the support…
You have a great site and i use and recommend “THE MASTER LIST” to many. The Master List is a removal tool for Christian bookstores and the body of Christ. Please take a few minutes to look at this list. I always print out a new copy when there are updates.
Click to access MasterList.pdf
March 19, 2008 at 8:48 am
Mary
here is an article:
http://www.simplyagape.blogspot.com
read : More in Jacob Prasch and Richard Arbanes
March 19, 2008 at 11:41 am
Mary
Lynn said
“I was just saying to my husband, “My but the wolves look and sound incredibly like sheep these days! It is amazing how clever, and how devious they are, sounding so plausible and genuine. You really have to dig deep and keep up a valiant effort to uncover the truth with these guys. ”
I was recently listening to one of my favorite christian radio programs and the radio speaker was speaking on brotherly love. I totally was agreeing with everything he said until he said that it had come to his attention that many hurtful things are being said about brothers in Christ on the internet. He said even though we may not agee or like everything they say we need to stop the gossip and backstabbing. Funny thing the next day that program was about adopting African orphans and mentioned Rick Warren several times.
March 19, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Tim Wirth
Hi: The really sad thing about Richard Abanes is that he picks and chooses what comments he answers. Never answers the really hard questions.
Like Rick Warren continuing to allow new ager Ken Blanchard to speak at Saddleback while Blanchard continues to endorse new age books such as “Little Wave and Old Swell’
Here is something about that book taken from one of the books promtional pages.
http://www.beyondword.com/all-book-catalog/L-books/bk-little-wave-and-old-swell.html
“Jim Ballard is co-author of a number of popular books with business guru Kenneth Blanchard, as well as several titles on his own. Teachings of the world-renown author Paramahansa Yogananda inspired Ballard to write the wave fable to bring solace and understanding to children in bereavement. Mr. Ballard is a hospice volunteer and resides in Amherst, MA.”
Ken Blanchard promised Watchman Fellowship in 2005 I believe that he repented of all this. But continues in his old habits unrepentent and where is Watchman Fellowship and Abanes voice calling for Ken to repent?
Instead Ken continues to speak at Saddleback.
Dont forget Warrens association with false teacher Paul Yonggi Cho
http://www.pastors.com/RWMT/default.asp?id=17&artid=537&expand=1
Its interesting because you can no longer find the entire interview on Pastors .com the link has been removed.
Antime Abanes shows up here or anywhere or you hear the latest on Rick Warren dont be suprised because look at Warrens root.
It is well documented that he went around door to door and asked unsaved people their advice on how to do church.
Rick did not search the scriptures or seek the advice of scripture.
But rather listened to the council of unsaved people who were on their way to hell.
Abanes tries to further confuse the issue in his book about Warren “Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him”.
on page 47 of the book Abanes states “Warren’s plan was to attract sheep who had wandered away from the Shepherd, not those who were already in a church. This was impetus behind one of the most controversial moves: a survey of non-Christians.” end of quote
Unsaved people have’nt wandered away from anything. You are either saved or not.
Warren did not solicit the advice of unchurched Christian but unsaved people.
This is not a scriptural method of building a church and really speaks why Warren and Saddleback has had such great success.
Warren did what Schuller and Hybels couldnt quite do on such a large scale because of Warrens training and methodology taught by guys like Peter Drucker who was Warrens mentor.
What does scipture teach is the reason we attend church and assemble check Eph 4:12.
Assemblies in a church building are for believers. Acts 2:41-42
“41 Then those who gladly[a] received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Of course there may be unbelievers in our assemblies 1 Cor 14:23-24 states this may happen.
Thats why everything should be done decently and in order.
If the world comes in and finds what they can find out in the world how does this profit them?
Even though Rick Warren may on ocassion be able to teach scripture any false teacher has the ability to mix good with bad.
Benny Hinn has even been known to be able to preach a good sermon. This doesnt make him any less a false teacher and false prophet.
False teachers wouldnt be effective or on a large scale if they couldnt do this.
Again examine Warrens root.
Its not grounded in Gods Word but unsaved mans felt needs and desires.
Thats how Rick built his empire , and this is undisputed, well documented truth.
Rick Warren and Saddleback serves this up all week as well as teaching many thousands how to duplicate these wordly man made, money making efforts.
Peace
Tim Wirth
March 19, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Kim
Hi Tim…i have always liked your site http://simplyagape.blogspot.com
Thank for the comment.
One of the first articles i ever printed out to study was from your site.
It is the article on Hyper Dispensationalism. I still refer to it.
March 19, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Lori
Wow Kim,
Seems the number 7 sure seems to be popping up lately. In the link you posted it talks about the 7 Gates.
Had to do some reading to see who Peter Drucker and also who Ken Blanchard are and things sure seems to be getting interesting.
One thing for sure is that we need to know the Word of God and follow Jesus and Him only. In John 10:27 KJV is say’s “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
Enjoy your blog Kim and keep up the good work.
Blessings,
Lori
March 20, 2008 at 7:56 am
Mary
I too want to thank you Kim,
Reading what the false teachers teach is one thing, actually getting a chance to converse with them or their proteges adds a whole added dimension.
March 20, 2008 at 9:23 am
Kim
Well, it has been interesting.
Many warned me privately about RA that any comments we made would be used against us in another forum. This has happened at:
http://christianresearchnetwork.info/submissions-2/
and at
The conversation was moved to:
http://richardabanes.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/encounter-truth-or-encountering-lies/#comments
Actually i welcome those who come from these sites to read the article i posted with David Cloud’s article. I hope all will take a look at the links people have provided.
I take to heart the warnings in the Bible about the false teachings of the last days. One must always pray for themselves that the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to them.
Is it possible that peace and the worlds problems will be solved through the church?
This is what scripture says: Matthew 24
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ, [fn1] ’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Those who test the words of teachers or teachings are being categorized as hateful. The testees are complaining…”How DARE you question me” This is pride.
Galations 6:3 says “If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself”. I find this scripture very humbling.
Now this is what I ask…please question me. Question everything i say against scripture. I am human and make mistakes.
So go to the Word of God, and pray first that He will make the Word come alive for you and that you will apply what God has shown you to your daily life. When you read a verse, read the entire passage or chapter for complete understanding. Go to the parallel passages found in the columns in your Bible for verification of what that verse means.
After checking a teaching against scripture, then look for the fruits of the spirit in Galations 5:22 in the teacher.
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.”
The opposite of this fruit is found also in Galations…hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition….
As we test ALL things remember this verse.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
March 20, 2008 at 9:33 am
TJSmith
I am curious? It has been my understanding that Calvary Chapel is not into the Rick Warren methods or books and that they have been taken off of their book shelves.
I went to the http://phoenixpreacher.com/cms/?p=2698 site and had a hard time moving around in there but I did notice alot of Cal. Chap. and CC links on the left hand side of the page. Is this a Calvary Chapel affilaite church?
If so I am surprised!!!
March 20, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Tim Wirth
I am amazed how Richard can take a prayer string and all of a sudden turn into all about Richard. I dont think Richard was treated unfairly here but I find that Richard considers anyone hateful who disagrees with him. But yet Richard uses the same manner of speech on people like Deb and Dave Dombrowski, Warren Smith and others on many blog sites.
But yet thats ok?
The best thing these days folks is to cling tightly to Gods Word and read your Bibles daily.
Paul did not take exception with the fact that the Bereans checked the scriptures daily to see if what he was saying is true. Acts 17:17:11
Dont take anyones word for it.
Gods Word is really all that counts.
You need to really look at how Richard develops his thinking and the way he uses scripture.
Ive come out of many Word Faith churches that uses the same unorthdox and Holy Spirit lacking methodology.
Ive never considered Abanes a apoligist because of Richards own redifinition of apoligetics.
Not to be ad homenium but Richard and his statments add up more to being a excuseoligist rather than a apoligist.
Some of Richards statements border on irrational.
I read the whole string (both) on Phoenix Preacher it made my head hurt.
Richard implying when asked about Warren not preaching to the Jews at Synagogue 3000 was ok because Warren preaches Jesus at other places and we have to take all this together in context.
This is a typical JW come back.
I cant understand why Warren lets Abanes loose he does Warren more damage than good in his poor defence of Warren such as Abanes own book “Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him.”
Never answering the hard question and only telling half the truth (which Richard readily accuses everyone else of doing).
Sad but Richard has the same M.O when he is getting ready to write or publish a book he is suddenly all over the internet.
Good press, bad press doesnt matter to this guy as long as people are talking about him.
Dont be deceived apolegetics is about defending the faith.
Our Christian faith.
Not someone elses’s faith.
On Rick Warren-you have to really take a hard look at a guy who needs 12 translations of the Bible to state his points.
Abanes is just fruit of Ricks church.
And there is more to come.
Peace
Tim
March 20, 2008 at 4:44 pm
TJSmith
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/prophecy-re-rick-warren-purpose-driven-life-purpose-driven-churches/
I think you will find this interesting even if you have a hard time with the “gift” of this person. I believe that when I read her sight I saw your site linked to hers as something that she mightbe interested in reading. See her response to this.
Really, it’s quite interesting….
March 20, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Kim
TJ…Thanks for pointing out this article.
I have read many of Miriams posts and all i can say is that i always agree with her. I haven’t read every single article but what i have read is spot on.
For her to make this assessment of RW in such a short time span is quite amazing.
March 20, 2008 at 6:04 pm
TJSmith
Including making that assessment without really researching him out in the beginning!
March 20, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Mary
BTW,
Miriam is Brittish so I am not sure she even knew to much about Rick Warren before she wrote that.
March 20, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Mary
BTW,
My husband and I just started attending a Calvary Chapel church so I am interested in the connection to Rick Warren if any.
March 20, 2008 at 6:45 pm
TJSmith
If you do some research you will find that Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa took all of his books and materials out of the book store.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/recall.htm
Once again I ran across RAbane (he seems to be everywhere) with a document to refute Pastor Chuck Smith feeling on the matter. Isn’t it interesting that so many people who have either been involved or have read the material and reserached the teachings of Purpose Driven Life and have actually documented some of the statements made by Rick Warren all seem to come to the same conclusion of the error.
Anyway, Mary, google rick warren + Calvary Chapel and see what it gives you. Here are three links
March 20, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Mary
Thanks TJSmith. Much appreciated.
March 24, 2008 at 6:20 am
nogoofyzone
I think there is a lot more to Rick Warren then meets the eye.
Warren brags about being a 90% tither.
But yet look what I found out when looking at Ricks IRS 900 report from his foundation “Acts of Mercy” which Rick himself donates to.
Peace
Tim