From Contender Ministries this is an excellent response to “A Course in Miracles”. The impact will be great from this book because of Oprah Winfrey’s endorsement. Oprah Winfrey has been an advocate of the New Age Movement which is influencing many women.
We need to have answers for those who are following the “broad path”to destruction.
A BIBLICAL RESPONSE TO A COURSE IN MIRACLES
The Course in Miracles often speaks of Jesus Christ, God, the atonement, sin, and other Christian terms. However, when examined closely, it becomes very clear that the meanings given to these Christian terms are far more consistent with the New Age movement than Christianity or the Bible.
CREATION
Throughout the Course, the world is explained as simply an illusion created by the ego of man. The Bible however, teaches that the ego of man had nothing to do with the creation of the world.
Genesis 1:1 “In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth”.
John 1:3 “All things were made by Him(Jesus); and without him was not anything made that was made.”
Paul writes in Col 1:16, “For by Him(Jesus), were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth.”
There was a creation for sure, but it was not done by man’s ego. All things were created by God alone.
REVELATION AND “ALL PATHS LEAD TO GOD”
On the topic of revelation, we should first realize that A Course in Miracles consistently contradicts Jesus own words, so it cannot come from the Jesus of the Bible. A Course in Miracles teaches that revelations are completely subjective and do not have to be consistent with another persons revelation or the revelation in the Bible.
A Course in Miracles vol.1, p.5 – “Revelation is intensely personal and cannot be meaningfully translated”
On The Course itself the text states “The Course is but one version of the universal curriculum. There are many others…They all lead to God in the end”
I Thessalonians 5:20-21 tells us “Do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good”. According to the Bible, not all prophecy is necessarily from God and we should test these claims against the Word of God so that we might separate truth from fiction. Jesus also commended the church at Ephesus because “you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false” (Rev. 2:2). If all revelations were equally valid and were all from God, it would make no sense to commend the church for recognizing false apostles. The Bible makes it clear that not all people who claim to speak for God are to be trusted. The Bible also tells us how to recognize these false teachers. If A Course in Miracles were truly from Jesus it would agree with the Bible. Isaiah 8:20 “To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn”.
All paths are not truth, and all teachings or beliefs are not to be trusted, especially if they teach that Jesus Christ is not the only one by whom we must be saved.
Luke 13:24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to”
John 10:8-9 “All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.”
THE INERRANT WORD OF GOD
A Course in Miracles makes the claim that the Bible is not without error. Apparently all revelation should be accepted as truth according to the Course, except the Bible. In the Bible’s case, The Course takes the liberty of presenting needed corrections in the scriptures where it suits them.
A Course in Miracles, vol 1 page 28-29
“The statement ‘For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life’ needs only one slight correction to be meaningful in this context; ‘He gave IT TO His only begotten Son’”.
In order to support their beliefs that Christ was not offered as a living sacrifice to cover our sins (sins they don’t believe exist), they change this verse to mean that God gave Jesus the world instead of God offering His Son to the world as a sacrifice. Since the Course defines the “Son” as each of us, the consequence of this revision is that instead of the world being given Jesus Christ, the world is given to us. They twist this verse further by believing that the “Him” in the verse means ourselves since we are the son’s of God. Instead of, as the Bible teaches, believing that belief in Christ saves us, the Course teaches that belief in oneself saves us.
Volume One page 87 also states that “the Apostles often misunderstood the crucifixion…and out of their own fear they spoke of the ‘wrath of God’ as His retaliatory weapon…These are some of the examples of upside-down thinking in the New Testament…If the Apostles had not felt guilty, they never could have quoted me as saying ‘I come not to bring peace but a sword’. This is clearly the opposite of everything I taught.”
2 Timothy 3:16 says ,”All scripture is God-breathed”, and 1 Thessalonians 2:13 says that preaching of the Bible should be received “not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe” Jesus also said of the Old Testament scriptures that they are “the word of God” (Mk 7:13) that “cannot be broken” (John 10:35). The Course in Miracles refutes the inerrancy of the Bible largely because it does not support their teachings on so many things.
THE DOCTRINE OF GOD
A Course in Miracles teaches the idea of monism (or the belief that all is one), pantheism (the belief that God is in everything), and panentheism (the belief that all are a part of God).
A Course in Miracles, Vol. 2, p.92
“In my own mind, behind all my insane thoughts of separation…is the knowledge that all is one forever. I have not lost the knowledge of who I am because I have forgotten it. It has been kept for me in the Mind of God, Who has not left His thoughts. And I, who am among them, am one with them and one with Him.”
A Course in Miracles, vol. 2, p. 45
“God is in everything I see”
Vol. 1, Page 92
“God is still everywhere and in everything forever. And we are a part of Him”.
Vol. 1, p. 165
“Whenever you question your value, say: ‘God Himself is incomplete without me’”.
Vol. 1, p. 136
“The recognition of God is the recognition of yourself. There is no separation of God and His creation”.
The Bible is clear that God is distinct from His creation. John 4:24 tells us that God is spirit, but we are flesh. Psalms 50:21 tells us that God us unlike man ethically, “You thought I was altogether like you. But I will rebuke you”. God is righteous and holy (Lev. 11:44, 19:2; Isa 6:3) and He distinguishes sin from righteousness.
Isaiah 5:20 “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put karkness for light and light for darkness who put better for sweet and sweet for bitter.”
Romans 1 also makes it clear that God is distinct from His creation. He is the Creator and divine in nature while the creation is not.
Romans 1:20-24
“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – His eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is forever praised.”
It is also wrong to think that sin has not created a separation between God and mankind. Isaiah 59:1-2 says “Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save. Nor his ear too dull to hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.” This is why Christ was sent as a mediator and a ransom to set us free from the sins we have committed so that we can receive our promised inheritance (Hebrews 9:15).
THE NATURE AND DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST
A Course in Miracles teaches that Jesus and those who accept Him are equal.
A Course in Miracles, vol. 1, p. 5
“Equals should not be in awe of one another because awe implies inequality. It is therefore and inappropriate reaction to me. An elder brother is entitled to respect for his greater experience, and obedience for his greater wisdom…There is nothing about me that you cannot attain”.
Vol. 1, p. 70-71
“My mind will always be like yours, because we were created as equals. It was only my decision that gave me all power in heaven and earth. My only gift to you is to help you make the same decision”.
The Bible does not teach that we are equal with Christ; it teaches that Jesus is both God and man. As God, Jesus does not possess sinful desires, susceptibility to temptation, or mortality, which are all attributes of sinful man. Because Jesus is also God, He is not equal to us as we are not deity. In John 8:23 Jesus said, “You are of this world; I am not of this world.”
John 1:1-3 tells us that Jesus was God the Son, the eternal Word who created the universe. He took on mortal, human nature and came “in human likeness” (Philippians 2:7). At Christ’s resurrection Jesus retained His human nature and His divine nature as God, and His physical body was changed from mortal to immortal (1 Co. 15). While Jesus is God the Son who took on human form, we as human beings have only one nature, a human nature.
A Course in Miracles also teaches that Jesus should not be understood as a sacrificial lamb for our sins.
A Course in Miracles vol. 1, p. 33
“I have been correctly referred to as ‘the lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world,’ but those who represent the lamb as blood-stained do not understand the meaning of the symbol. Correctly understood, it is a very simple symbol that speaks of my innocence…Innocence is incapable of sacrificing anything, because the innocent mind has everything and strives only to protect its wholeness”.
The Course denies I Peter 2:24 which reads, “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been set free.” The Course denies even the need for Christ’s sacrifice because they teach that people are already sinless and perfect beings. You have to wonder what planet these people have been living on. Examples of just such sin can be seen all around us. The Bible is very clear that we are reconciled to God through the death of his Son (Romans 5:10).
The Course distorts the Bible even further, however, by claiming that Jesus Christ wasn’t the Son of God, but rather we are the Son’s of God referred to in these scriptures.
A Course in Miracles, Vol. 1, p.2
“The Sonship is the sum of all that God created”.
Vol. 1, p.14
“In the creation, God extended Himself to His creations and imbued them with the same loving will to create. You…have also been created perfect. There is no emptiness in you.”
Vol. 2, pp. 353-354
“You are the holy Son of God Himself. And with this holy thought you learn as well that you have freed the world…All power is given you in Earth and Heaven. There is nothing that you cannot do.”
The Course requires the student to affirm, “Your Son…is but what I really am in truth. He is the Son You love above all things. He is my Self as You created me. It is not Christ that can be crucified.”
The Bible states clearly that Jesus is God’s only begotten Son (John 1:18; 3:16; 1 John 4:9) The term “only begotten Son” is never used to refer to believers in the New Testament, but only to Jesus. Jesus Christ is the only Son of God. However, the word sons (plural) and “children of God” are applied to Jesus’ followers several times in Romans, 1 John and elsewhere. Christians are not “sons of God” by nature but we become sons of God (Romans 8:15).
Galatians 4:4-7
“But when the tie had fully come, God sent his Son born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba”, Father. So you are no longer a slave but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.”
Unlike Jesus, who is eternally the Son of God (Ps 2:7; Heb 1:2,4) we obtain a derivative relationship through faith: “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus” (Gal 3:26).
Further discounting the sacrifice made my our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, A Course in Miracles teaches that Jesus is but a man who found Christ in other people and is no more the Christ than anyone else.
A Course in Miracles vol. 3, p. 83
“The name of Jesus is the name of one who was a man but saw the face of Christ in all his brothers and remembered God. So he became identified with Christ, a man no longer, but at one with God. The man was an illusion, for he seemed to be a separate being, walking by himself, within a body that appeared to hold his self from Self, as all illusions do.”
“Jesus remains a Savior because he was the false without accepting it as true. And Christ needed his form that He might appear to men and save them from their own illusions”.
Jesus, of course, never taught this. When Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Mt 16:16), Jesus did not reply, “Yes, and so are you”. When the woman at the well said, “I know that Messiah is coming,” Jesus replied “I who speak to you am he”. He didn’t say, “We are each the Christ”. Furthermore, the word Christ cannot refer to all people everywhere. The Old Testament was very clear about who the Christ, or the Messiah, would be, where he would be born, when he would be born, and who he would descend from. (Mic 5:2; Dan 9:24-27; Mt 22:42)
The Course also teaches that the resurrection of Jesus should not be understood as a literal, physical return from the dead. According to the Course, the body does not exist and death does not exist. Thus, Jesus could not have been raised from the dead in any real sense.
A Course in Miracles, vol. 1, p. 87
“…the resurrection is the symbol of sharing because the reawakening of every Son of God is necessary to enable the Sonship to know its wholeness”
Vol. 3, p. 65
“The resurrection is a reawakening or rebirth: a change of mind about the meaning of the world.”
Vol. 1, p. 396
“A slain Christ has no meaning. But a risen Christ becomes the symbol of the Son of God’s forgiveness on himself; the sign he looks upon himself as healed and whole.”
The reality that Christ “died for our sins” and subsequently was raised on the third day is the heart of the gospel.
1 Co 15:3-6
“For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance; that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures and that he appeared to Peter and then to the twelve. After that he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time,”
The physical nature of Jesus’ resurrection was part of the apostolic message. On the Day of Pentecost, Peter said that the messianic psalms of King David “spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay” (Acts 2:31)
When Christ appeared to “doubting Thomas” and the other apostles to show His pierced hands, feet, and side, it is clear that He was showing His physical body and that this was not a visionary experience.
Luke 24:38-39 “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in you mind? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
THE DOCTRINE OF SIN
A Course in Miracles teaches that sin does not exist, and each person is perfectly guiltless and innocent. In other words no one is sinful in any way.
A Course in Miracles Vol. 1, p. 88
“No one is punished for sins, and the Sons of God are not sinners”
Vol. 1, p. 423
“The Holy Spirit will never teach you that you are sinful”
Vol. 1, p. 377
“When you are tempted to believe that sin is real, remember this: If sin is real, both God and you are not”
The Bible teaches that sin affects all people.
Ecc 7:20
“For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin”
The Bible also addresses those who, like followers of the Course in Miracles, deny the reality of sin:
1 John 1:8 “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us”
It doesn’t get any plainer than that. Nowhere in the Bible are we told that sin is merely an illusion. We will all be held accountable to God (Romans 3:19).
In order to explain the obvious sin that surrounds each and every one of us in this world on a daily basis, the Course teaches that sin appears to exist, but this is a false illusion or an insane thought caused by the ego.
A Course in Miracles, Vol. 2, p. 409
“Sin is insanity. It is the means by which the mind is driven mad, and seeks to let illusions take the place of truth…And yet what sin perceives is but a childish game. The Son of God may play he has become a body, prey to evil and to guilt, with but a little life that ends in death. But all the while his Father shines on him…There is no sin”
Vol. 2, p. 327
“The betrayal of the Son of God lies only in illusions, and all his ‘sins’ are but his own imagining. His reality is forever sinless. He need not be forgiven but awakened. In his dreams he has betrayed himself, his brothers and his God. Yet what is done in dreams has not been really done”
The Bible does not teach that sin is an error to be corrected, or an illusion that does not exist. Rather, sin is a wrongful act and condition of mankind that requires repentance, remission, and forgiveness.
Hebrews 9:22
“Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness”
Hebrews 9:26
“now he [Jesus Christ] has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
The remedy for sin is not “waking up” as the Course teaches. Repentance and confession is the only remedy. “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).
“He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy” (Pr 28:13)
THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION
A Course in Miracles teaches that man’s original state is perfection. Salvation in the Course comes by undoing the misbelief that we are separated from God and are sinful beings. We simply arrive at a state of awareness that we are perfect.
A Course in Miracles Vol 1, p. 9
“The purpose of the Atonement is to restore everything to you; or rather, to restore it to your awareness.”
A Course in Miracles Vol. 1, p. 6
“I am in charge of the process of Atonement, which I undertook to begin. When you offer a miracle to any of my brothers, you do it to yourself and me. The reason you come before me is that I do not need miracles for my own Atonement, but I stand at the end in case you fail temporarily. My part in the Atonement is the canceling out of all errors that you could not otherwise correct. When you have been restored to the recognition of your original state, you naturally become part of the Atonement yourself”
In the New Testament, atonement, propitiation, and reconciliation are intertwined with the substitutionary death of Jesus Christ. In Christ we now receive “atonement” (Romans 5:11). Through the blood of Jesus we obtain “propitiation” (Romans 3:25). It is Jesus who is the atoning sacrifice for our sins (1 John 2:2; 4:10). Atonement does not open our eyes to our own perfection, but instead covers our sins before God. Only through the acceptance of the sacrifice Christ mad on the cross can we be saved.
It makes sense that the Course would completely ignore the sacrifice Christ made for our sins, since it teaches that God did not allow His Son to die on the cross for our salvation.
A Course in Miracles, vol. 1, p. 32
“If the crucifixion is seen from an upside-down point of view, it does appear as if God permitted and even encouraged one of His Sons to suffer because he was good…Yet the real Christian should pause and ask, ‘How could this be?’ Is it likely that God Himself would be capable of the kind of thinking which His Own words have clearly stated is unworthy of His Son?”
A Course in Miracles, vol. 1, p. 32
“Persecution frequently results in an attempt to justify the terrible misperception that God Himself persecuted His Own Son on behalf of salvation. The very words are meaningless…In milder forms a parent says, ‘This hurts me more than it hurts you’, and feels exonerated in beating a child. Can you believe our Father really thinks this way? It is so essential that all such thinking be dispelled that we must be sure that nothing of this kind remains in your mind. I was not ‘punished’ because you were bad. The wholly benign lesson the Atonement teaches is lost if it is tainted with this kind of distortion in any form”
It is clear in the New Testament that Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of mankind.
1 Peter 3:18 “For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit”.
The Old Testament also teaches that it was the will of God the Father to sacrifice Jesus Christ for us.
Isaiah 53:5 “But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.”
The Course follows the thinking of Peter before the resurrection – a line of thinking he was clearly rebuked for.
Matthew 16:21-23
When Jesus told the disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and be killed, Peter said this must not happen. Jesus replied, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men”.
The Course contends that the reason for Christ’s crucifixion was to induce people to love one another.
A Course in Miracles, vol. 1, p.87
“The message of the crucifixion is perfectly clear: ‘Teach only love, for that is what you are’. If you interpret the crucifixion in any other way, you are using it as a weapon for assault rather than as the call for peace for which it was intended”.
The Bible addresses just such thinking this way:
1 Corinthians 1:18; 15:3-4
“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God…For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.”
Continuing their teaching that there is no sin, the Course teaches that there is no Hell or eternal punishment.
A Course in Miracles, vol. 1, p. 281
“The Holy Spirit teaches thus: There is no hell. Hell is only what the ego has made of the present”
Scripture, however, teaches us that there will be eternal punishment for the wicked and the unrepentant.
Matthew 13:41-42
“The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of theath”.
Revelation 20:15
“If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”.
On the subject of Christ’s return, the Course teaches that the Second Coming and final judgment are not meant to punish sinners, but to heal the mind, rectify mistakes, and dispel the illusions we have believed in.
A Course in Miracles vol. 1, pp. 29-30
“Judgment is not an attribute of God…The Last Judgment is generally thought of as a procedure undertaken by God. Actually, it will be undertaken by my brothers with my help. It is a final healing rather than a meting out of punishment, however much you may think that punishment is deserved.”
Vol. 2, p. 439
“Christ’s Second Coming, which is sure as God, is merely the correction of mistakes, and the return of sanity.”
Vol. 2, p. 445
“The Final Judgment on the world contains no condemnation. For it sees the world as totally forgiven, without sin and wholly purposeless.”
Judgment is a basic attribute of God.
Isaiah 30:18
“The Lord is a God of judgment”
Psalms 9:7-8 “He has established his throne for judgment. He will judge the world in righteousness; he will govern the peoples with justice.”
The Second Coming of Christ will be as literal and physical as His first coming was. “This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven” (Acts 1:11). This is not simply the arrival of a spirit or a thought in our minds. When Christ returns He will bring God’s punishment on the wicked.
II Thessalonians 1:7-9
“…the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power.”
Jesus referred to this coming as the “day of Judgment”. (Mt 10:15; 11:22-24; 12:36)
These and many other scriptures show that the Course’s teaching that there is no sin, no judgment, and no Hell are completely unbiblical and must be rejected.
Here is a link to another article that is relevant
https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2007/08/12/women-of-theosophy-a-course-in-miracles/

170 comments
December 10, 2007 at 7:01 am
Peg
Wow, Kim. I was amazed to see “A Course In Miracles” headlining your blog and I had to read a bunch of recent posts to see what the hubbub is all about. I thought ACIM was debunked and relegated to the trash heap years ago! How weird is this to see people bringing it back. Again.
I’m really glad to see you taking this on. ACIM is extremely dangerous stuff… keep up the good work!
December 10, 2007 at 11:24 pm
Kim
Yes, i do believe ACIM is extremely dangerous. Especially with Oprah endorsing and promoting it. Women will accept these teachings without questioning them. That is why we who contend for the faith will have to have answers ready for those who are going to be involved in the program.
December 12, 2007 at 5:38 pm
Anonymous
Judging my brothers by what I think, is this the practical way of spreading Love, Understanding and Tolerance?
Teaching a message of fear and we have cause for fear and fear is justified, we need to take this fear seriously?
I do not wish to extend the gift of fear, a reminder of Love and resting in Truth that lies just beyond my limited understanding.
and yet I MUST resist, limiting what my Father has created as whole and perfect.
Merry Christmas
December 12, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Kim
The Bible says:
Proverbs 9:10-12
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”…”If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer”
Those who follow Jesus Christ as Lord also acknowledge that He will return someday to judge all mankind.
When Jesus calmed the storm in Matthew 8:23-27, He asked his disciples “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?”
So who are those who are afraid? Ones with little faith and mockers?..yes!
I fear the Lord. Who could stand before Holy God Almighty and not hit the ground with trembling and awe. But..i have no fear of the future or in my daily walk, for it is secure in the Lord Jesus Christ.
ACIM teaches there is no hell….This not the way to remove fear! This is false teaching to those who want to believe in themselves instead of Jesus Christ and what He teaches.
January 13, 2008 at 10:10 am
Bertha and Maude
Twenty Years that’s how long I’ve been a student – and sometimes teacher – of A Course In Miracles (ACIM). The Course found its way into my hands when I needed it the most. I was in a lot of pain, both physically and mentally. I was 27 years old and had only left the world of fundamentalist Christianity 10 years earlier. The wounds from that had never properly healed yet I still longed for the love of Jesus, whom I had grown up believing was my constant companion. But I knew that I couldn’t go back to the church I grew up in. I couldn’t believe that a Loving Father God would even invent someplace like hell for His wayward children.
When I first started reading The Course, it touched me in such a profound way. It has a quiet authority. I would read page after page, sometimes tears streaming, healing the beliefs I had about God and about my own life. That first read-through that winter was the most amazing experience. It forever changed the way I understood everything in my life. The Course has a way of opening up places in the soul that have been shut off for a long time – it brings light to the dark corners and closets in our minds.
Since beginning this journey I cannot say that my life would appear to anyone else to be more or less fortunate. I’ve had my share of sorrows and problems. But, my perception of them has changed completely. My perception of other people and how they affect me has changed.
The Course is not the basis for a new religion and it certainly is not for everybody. It does seem to have a special ministry to those of us who have been injured by the parts of Christianity which are unloving. Whether you are from a fundamentalist church or one of the more educated mainstream denominations all of the current versions of Christianity have major problems which need healing. If you are in pain and willing to listen to another way of thinking about things, you may find much comfort and joy in this publication.
God’s Truth does not need us to defend it to keep it true, so if you are worried that this book might mislead you why don’t you ask God what He wants you to do — and truly listen for that still, small voice inside your mind.
I am confident that I am part of a great loving family and that every person on this earth is my sister or brother, that forgiveness is the most beneficial way I can use my time and that I choose how I see every part of my life, including the so-called bad parts, which are nothing more than a call to heal and a means of letting go of old pain and hurt. But these are just words. The Course has a way of sinking down into your mind and rearranging all of the furniture. It heals at a very deep level.
Yes, I can still be mean spirited and unloving more times than I’d like to admit but I think that my inner-jerk is lessening over time and my inner-Christ ascending.
January 13, 2008 at 11:16 am
Kim
B and M,
I want to thank you for the kind nature of your comment.
I have to assume that you have read the above article so you know that ACIM defies the Bible and deifies mankind.
I have ACIM and it frightens me. It uses alot of phrases from the Bible but they are not biblical at all.
You ask if I am in pain. I am not. As all people do, with or without Christ, there are troubles and tribulations in life. But i always find joy in trials because the Lord Jesus Christ is always with me. I am filled with the Holy Spirit.
Now there is a counterfeit spirit in this world. It may also give joy, but it is joy that will not be eternal. This counterfeit spirit parades as the Holy Spirit, but it is not. There are two spirit worlds. The Holy Angels of heaven and the fallen angels of this world.
The Bible clearly teaches that we are not to delve into this spirit world because it is divination. This is forbidden. The easiest way to delve into this forbidden world is meditation. It opens up the “doorway” between the spirit worlds.
Of course there is no doorway it is just a symbol of visualization to the meditator. It is does not take long for ACIM to start the student into meditation, once the Lessons start. It is just eastern meditation with repetition of self-satisfying terminology.
What i see of this book is an attempt to change ones perception and worldview. Then it teaches love and tries to maintain an absence of fear. There is always fear as people delve into meditation. Going into the unknown causes much discomfort. I see this in TM research.
Here is my worry. If you forgive yourself, then why did Jesus Christ die on the cross? If you believe you are really forgiven by yourself, then you reject Jesus Christ. This has an eternal implication. Are you really convinced of your eternal destiny?
All the answers are in the Bible. They always were. Jesus is the only one who can truly heal at a deep level.
What good is heaven if there is no hell?
Jesus was there for you, and He is still here for you. Please call upon His name and ask Him to give you the truth. There is no inner-Christ.
Romans says “There is no one righteous, not even one”, but there is “righteousness from God through faith in Jesus Christ.”
This is the only way….please consider.
Blessing to you…
One more thing i want to add is that Helen Schucman admits writing ACIM by dictation from a spirit, calling himself an ascended master and “Jesus”. A book channeled by a spirit is indeed occult.
January 14, 2008 at 8:30 am
Anonymous
Christianity & Christian Fear
Recently, I spoke the truth of hell not being eternal to a person bound by traditional Christian beliefs. This led to this person’s church elders contacting me and basically telling me they love me, but I am no longer welcome in their church building. No problem. I would rather be
outside religious walls than in them, anyway. But, when discussing this with my friend Jay, he pointed out something very interesting to me. Jay made the point that all one has to attack is the false doctrine of an eternal hell, and the religious feel threatened in all their beliefs. And truly, all their beliefs are threatened if they cease to believe in an eternal hell.
Why? As Jay so wisely pointed out, their entire traditional Christian doctrines are founded on this false teaching which invokes fear. It is fear of not pleasing God and suffering for an eternity. Hence, their entire teachings are fear-based and not of love. Fear is not of God, but man-made. God is love.
Now, all I pointed out to this person who is bound by religion, was that the word “hell” is not in their Bible (in the original Greek or Hebrew), and neither are the words “forever” and “eternal.” The word mis-translated “forever” or “eternal” is the Greek word “aion,” which means for a set period of time – meaning it has an end. The words mis-translated as “hell”
mean grave (Sheol and hades) or a trash dump outside of Jerusalem (Gehenna).
Why was I such a threat to the whole church that the elders would meet and then call me? Was it out of love for me, believing me to be lost? No, it was all motivated by fear – fear of losing control of their club (church) in the name of Christ. If they loved like they say they do, then they would show it in action. Instead they showed they are walking in fear (afraid of me) by telling me I am no longer welcome to visit them. Closed minds are always bound closed by fear.
Here is a simple thought to consider:
Since God is all-knowing (omniscient) and all-powerful (omnipotent), then why wouldn’t He simply create those who He knew would make the choices He preferred and therefore not have to destroy any for making the choices He didn’t prefer? Otherwise, we have a blood-thirsty God who is evil, if He created people whom he already foreknew He would have to destroy because of bad choices. God would make the choice to destroy maliciously when there was no need to create that which had to be destroyed! If God is all-powerful and all-knowing, He should have easily been able to create those whom He desired and save us all from ever existing and facing wrath, if we make wrong choices. Again, religion doesn’t
make any sense when you think it through logically.
I believe God foreknew everyone as stated in the bible:
“For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His son…”
Romans 11:2
“God did not cast away His people whom He foreknew.”
Romans 11:2
If we are eternal beings, then we have always been (in God). Therefore, we will always be. Anything that has a beginning, must have an end. You cannot create eternal from the temporal. God will save all.
From a poem entitled, “A Ghost Speaks,” by Gloria Ladd:
“Your joy is your heaven, your sorrows your hell.”
January 14, 2008 at 9:35 am
Kim
I believe in Hell (it is mentioned 54 times in the KJV) and i have no fear….only doubters seem to have fear of their eternal decisions. There will be a judgment day.
Jesus tell us that followers are to pick up the cross daily.
Luk 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
This is something i gladly do. Also in my trials and sorrows there is joy in my suffering. The Lord gives comfort to those who are persecuted on His account. This is totally opposite of the title of the poem. It just doesn’t to apply to those who truly walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is a shame that you were asked to leave a church building. In Matthew there is a parable of the wheat and the weeds. In Christianity there are counterfeit Christians among the true Christians. I do not know what kind of church you were attending, if there were previous problems, or if it was truth based or experienced based, (all factors).
I love Romans. Romans 11:2-6 is a passage about the remnant of Israel. Verse 5 says “Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
I believe he foreknew who would follow Him after He called us.
I do not believe we are eternal beings until we have been reborn by believing in Jesus, walk in faith, and truly repent of our sin. Then there is true peace. God will save those who call upon Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.
January 14, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Anonymous
Fear and Ridicule
Fear and ridicule, are very powerful tools use by many (from grade school children to politicians, clerics, etc.). We need to be vigilant specially when these terrible tools are use against us. These dreadful tools should not deter us from questioning the establishment. Christianity uses the terms “heresy”, “profanity”, “blasphemy”, etc., in trying to deter people from questioning the establishment. They call people bad names and bully everyone that express a dissenting opinion. If we are not careful we may find ourselves doing the same thing to others.
e.g. Take a look at how the use of fear was expertly carry out by Mr. Bush et. al. when he said: “we cannot wait for the final proof — the smoking gun — that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud” (in reference to the far-fetched Iraqi nuclear threat to the U.S.) and calling unpatriotic and ridiculing everyone who stood against the Iraq war.
Whenever someone (politician, preacher, teacher, family, friend, etc.) uses fear to keep us from doing or induce us to do something, we need to pay close attention and figure out who stands to benefit. We may not like their agenda. I could say “follow the money”, but sometimes they want more than just money. e.g. power, control, prestige, our time, our energy, our resources, etc.
The Prodigal Son
Contrary to Christian belief, we do not have to fear God! Only good can come from God. “Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?” James 3:11. God’s behavior is always the same (changeless, like the Father in the Prodigal Son parable). God unconditional Love rushes to us all, to the good and what the world considers bad, equally. The Father mades no distinction between sinful and righteous sons. Remember, it was the son that thought he had sinned: “And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.” Luke 15:21
The Prodigal Son was overwhelm with guilt and tried to condemn himself. The loving Father will hear none of this. “But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.” Luke 15:22-24 That’s how our real Father in Heaven behaves. God is not wrathful or vengeful (like many preachers portrayed God to be) and is not the slightest bit interested in punishing His Son. This is what God, the real God, is really like! God doesn’t think like humans because God isn’t a person.
What do these preachers, that try to put the fear of God in us by portraying God as wrathful and vengeful, stand to gain? Think about it!
Fear condemns, Love Forgives.
January 14, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Anonymous
I totally agree with the Course when it says:
“ IS EACH ONE TO BE JUDGED IN THE END?
Indeed, yes! No one can escape God’s final judgement. Who could flee forever from the truth. But the final judgement will not come until it is no longer associated with fear. One day each one will welcome it, and on that very day it will be given him. He will hear his sinlessness proclaimed around and around the world, setting it free as God’s final judgement on him is received. This is the judgement in which salvation lies. This is the judgement that will set him free. This is the judgement in which all things are freed with him. Time pauses as eternity comes near, and silence lies across the world that everyone may hear this Judgement of the Son of God:
Holy are you, eternal, free and whole, at peace forever in the Heart of God. Where is the world, and where is sorrow now?” (M-15.1:1-12)
ACIM ANNOTATION –
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January 14, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Kim
Fear does not condemn. Fear is an emotional reaction. Fear can save us because it is warning of peril.
One should read the entire passage of Luke 15 for complete understanding the 3 parables here.
The Lost Sheep wanders off and it is found..Jesus says “Rejoice…there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents.”
The Lost Coin is found there is rejoicing, and Jesus says “There is rejoicing in the presence of the angels over one sinner who repents.”
Then the Prodigal Son… He takes his inheritance from his Father (God) and squanders it and finds that “no one gave him anything” v.16
v.17 says he returns to his father (God) saying “Father, i have sinned against heaven and against you.”
The father rejoiced at this. v.24 “For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found. So they began to celebrate.”
A sheep wandered off the path…something of value we already have is dropped or lost…someone rebels against God….
God rejoices when someone repents and returns to Him.
Are you in rebellion? If you like the story of the Prodigal son then you can know that if you return to Jesus as Savior and Lord, there will be rejoicing in heaven.
January 14, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Mary
I think anonymous likes traveling from christian blog to christian blog trying ruffle feathers.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/hell1.html
January 14, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Mary
“Why was I such a threat to the whole church that the elders would meet and then call me? Was it out of love for me, believing me to be lost? No, it was all motivated by fear – fear of losing control of their club (church) in the name of Christ.”
Ahh no… it was probably because you are teaching heresy and are unwilling to accept truth. Go start your own “church” and stop trolling blogs.
January 15, 2008 at 1:03 am
jacob
Some person said: “I was amazed to see “A Course In Miracles” headlining your blog… I thought it was debunked and relegated to the trash heap years ago! How weird is this to see people bringing it back. Again.”
Wow, its funny, but thats exactly what reasonable people think when they hear about apocalyptic christians.
Open a history book sometime. Every generation has had fools predicting the end, claiming their god or their way to god was the only salvation, for millennia, even before Paul created the myths and symbols that evolved into your stupid little belief system.
You’re just footnotes in a long line of idiots. The only end clearly in sight is the end of our collective sanity. Thats what you sociopathic idiots represent to me.
January 15, 2008 at 1:21 am
Kim
Whoa!!
I guess you are not part of the inner peace, unity, love and forgiveness meditative ACIM crowd.
January 15, 2008 at 3:22 am
jeff
Kim,
anonymous is some what right -hell is not eternal, it is everlasting, Thess indicates that it is forever and ever. Eternity has no beginning or end, but if it is everlasting then it has a start, and that is where unbelievers will start and be seperated from God forever and ever. As far as the the meaning of the term hell, he/she is correct again. most texts use gehenna, hades, shoel. however anonymous is only showing the meaning of the words and not using context and what the authors were trying to convey, which is that hades does exist.
no, anonymous God is all powerful and could do anything. I ask you, where do you get the idea that something is bad? where do you get the idea that something is good? who and why do we say one thing is good and one is bad? if we compare, who has the right to compare unless there is a standard and deviation from that standard? I think you know, and it is painful if you go back to this basic question. Would you want your significant other to contol everything you do at this moment? no- but what if you have that freedom to do what you want and your significant other lets you, but you hurt them emotional, physically (or whatever). I am sure you are guilty of it (we all are). let’s say you hurt them mentally, but you didn’t mean to, it was a mistake. there you have it, you say sorry, but days go by and you do it or something to hurt them again. you cannot give something (in our case humans) free will and expect us to always do right, we are not machines. the good news is that Jesus came to die for the wrong we did. whether you believe it or not. Put another way, I am curious if you have kids. we know kids are going to make bad decisions, so why have them? we hope they choose right, but that will not be the case- we give them freedom as they grow and teach them, but still they make bad decisions. this we know and still decide to have kids. it is the same with God, he created us with free will to choose good and/or bad. i hope this made sense.
Running around “looking/searching” for something that is not true will eventually lead you to nothing but the same or disillusioned and jaded in your old age. To say something like christianity is not true is a “truth statement” and excludes the possibility of the truth in christianity (which it is).
We are not here to bash anyone. I think this blogg and others like it are here to help people edify one another and let others know what is circulating that is not what we (as christians) hold as “not truth”, and to not be led astray from christianity.
anonymous and jacob. please continue to voice your frustration with us and let us know where you are coming from. we are not perfect and that is another reason we are here.
sorry to babble on, anonymous and jacob- do not confuse or blame christianity for those who in the name of chrisitianity do bad things, they are people doing bad, and if they are christians they will see their error and ask for forgiveness, if they don’t they are only calling themselves christians.- take care of your self-
January 15, 2008 at 6:22 am
Mike
Jesus was all about love and forgiveness; everything else was made-up.
“Beliefs separate. Loving thoughts unite.” — Paul Ferrini
January 15, 2008 at 8:05 am
ACIM Student
“It is insane to think that a part of God, a part of the All, a part of total unity could somehow split off and, all of a sudden, be outside everything — that there could be a reality beyond totality, something beyond infinity, a power beyond omnipotence.”
January 15, 2008 at 9:20 pm
jacob
Kim: “Whoa!!
I guess you are not part of the inner peace, unity, love and forgiveness meditative ACIM crowd.”
Correct. When it comes to something as vital as belief, I’m not a part of any crowd.
Unlike yourself.
January 15, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Kim
jacob,
True Christians, those who follow Jesus, read and study their Bible daily, repent of their sin, and turn away from worldly things, are a minority. There are hundreds of thousands who sit in church pews every Sunday and call themselves followers of Christ, but sadly are not, not really. Monday comes and they are not changed.
So those who take up a cross daily and follow Jesus are not part of a crowd.
In fact the path is narrow, and the gate is narrow and few will find it. This is a truth that Jesus teaches.
So jacob, what do you believe?
January 16, 2008 at 12:19 am
ACIM Student
Kim,
The Bible does not have a monopoly on Jesus teachings.
If many mistakes were made during writing of the Bible, and they were (we are dealing with humans here), what recourse would Jesus should have use to make the correction or scrap what was there altogether?
There is no one better to tells us than Jesus, if we understood or totally misunderstood his teachings.
I am highly incline to think that the early Christians totally misunderstood Jesus message and superimpose what they already belief onto Jesus instead of listening to what the master had to teach. The Course teaches that Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection were expressions of love rather than of judgment, punishment, and sacrifice. I think that is totally in line with a Loving God. There is no parallel in this world that can remotely compare to the Love of our Heavenly Father.
January 16, 2008 at 1:28 am
Kim
The disciples spent time with Jesus and were eye witnesses to his life, teachings and resurrection.
Many teachings of the New Testament were prophesied in the Old Testament and Jesus makes many references to the prophets. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament.
There any many documents that substantiate the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Helen Schucman telepathically channeled ACIM. She was not a christian and was basically a “medium”. Mediums channel spirits which are occult and this is the case here with ACIM.
I have taken the time to purchase ACIM and read it. So you can have both sides of the story you might read:
A book channeled by a spirit should be a red flag. Especially one that tells you that you are as God and that sin doesn’t exist. These are messages that “tickle” men’s ears. Words that appease instead of correct.
If you are interested in the truth. Please consider reading one of the above books.
January 16, 2008 at 2:36 am
ACIM Student
Kim,
How bad could this spirit be? If all it teaches is about loves and forgiveness.
For me the love and forgiveness in ACIM makes a lot more sense than the judgment, punishment, and sacrifice in the Bible.
“By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles?” Matthew 7:16
January 16, 2008 at 3:13 am
Kim
The answer to your question is:
2Cr 11:14 “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”
The Bible has the full counsel of God.
So do you believe that there is no consequence for sin? Are you without sin? Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever taken something that doesn’t belong to you?
Jesus in the Holy Bible is offering a full pardon. God sent him to earth to take your sin upon himself. Your sin…my sin..He died just for you. Can you think of any greater love than this?
All you have to do is believe in Jesus, walk in faith and repent of your sin. It is all in the Bible. All of it. It is the answer to eternal life. You are settling for a counterfeit faith….please student… reconsider… If you want true joy, don’t look for a substitute. The real thing is right before your very eyes. Listen to your heart.
kim
Here is another article…. https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2007/08/12/women-of-theosophy-a-course-in-miracles/
January 16, 2008 at 6:33 am
ACIM Student
Kim,
If God is God and He knows everything:
Why would He made this hell hole we called the world?
Why would He made the body? The body is extremely needy. Life in a body is no picnic. God had absolutely not need to create the body. The spirit is perfect and has no needs.
Why would He create lesser beings? To me that means He loves some creations more than others. Obviously, that is not perfect love. Perfect loves, loves everyone the same. I agree with ACIM when it says that God and His creations are One. Perfect Oneness.
The reason ACIM says sin has no consequences is because it sees life in a body as a dream. It looks real to us because fear binds it. When you are in bed at night and you are dreaming, when do you find out that all was a dream? If you are not having a lucid dream, you find out when you wakeup and not before. The bed and the room are out of your awareness. The same way, Heaven is out of our awareness until we wakeup from this dream/nightmare we call life.
I know ACIM is not for everyone. According to ACIM all spiritual paths lead in the end to God. Because there is nothing else. God is . . .and nothing else is.
We all have limiting beliefs, yours seems to be that salvation can only be found in an ancient book called The Bible.
Thank you for your time. I think, ACIM is the right spiritual path for me.
January 16, 2008 at 6:51 am
Kim
God made man with a perfect body, He put man in a gorgeous garden that supplied all his needs. It was a perfect world. It was the Garden of Eden.
But the serpent tempted Eve. He made her doubt Gods word by saying “did God really say you must not touch it”.
Then he tempted Eve with “knowledge”. “Your eyes will be opened and you will be like God”. Does this sound familiar?
She took the bait, and this was the fall of man. No longer was there a garden but a hell hole, and no longer did she have a spiritual body for now she and Adam were spiritually separated from God.
Man created the situation we are in today because of sin. God in His mercy sent His Son Jesus Christ to us so that we could be saved from our own greed and pride.
I wish you well…come back and see us again.
kim
January 16, 2008 at 8:16 am
ACIM Student
Kim,
I like this version of the Genesis story better:
— So God goes on and creates Adam and then gets him a date, Eve. Life is paradise. But, God gives them this one rule: Do anything you want kids, knock yourselves out, but don’t you dare eat the fruit from that tree of knowledge over there. So the serpent does its thing, Eve takes a bite and tempts Adam just so you can blame women for everything, and then Adam takes a bite. Now there’s hell to pay. Big angry Maker kicks Adam and Eve out of paradise. He even tells Eve that she’s going to suffer terrible pain during childbirth just for good measure. That’ll teach her! But wait just a minute here.
If God is God, wouldn’t He be perfect? And if He is perfect, then wouldn’t He know everything? Even today’s parents know that the surest way to get children to do something is to tell them they can’t. So if God is God and He knows everything, then what has He done here?
Well, apparently God has set up His own children to fail just so He can have the pleasure of ruthlessly punishing them for a scenario which He Himself set into motion.
It sure looks that way, doesn’t it? But would God do this? If you had a child, would you do that? How could you possibly trust a God like that? Nowadays He’d be accused of child abuse. So what’s the truth? The answer should be obvious to anyone who is willing to take the blinders off. God would not do this. He is not an idiot. The story of Genesis is the symbolic story of the making of the world and bodies by the unconscious mind for reasons you are not aware of, but which you must become aware of. –
The preceding was an excerpt taken from:
The Disappearance of the Universe by Gary R. Renard.
January 16, 2008 at 9:27 am
Kim
Why do you like this version better?
January 16, 2008 at 7:46 pm
ACIM Student
Kim
If God had anything to do with the making of the world and bodies, them He would really be idiot. But like the author said, it was just a symbolic story that never truly happen.
Open your eyes and look around you, don’t worried about what any book has to say. Ask God or the Holy Spirit directly in your mind, like I did 5 ½ years ago. All I wanted to know was the absolute true. Before I knew that ACIM even existed, some of the ideas expressed on it were reveal to me in my mind. I waited three years for the answers, they came when I was ready for them.
I am going to share with you something I wrote (the first part of course):
Who are you?
If you are the daughter/son of dolphins, who are you?
– A dolphin, of course!
If you are the daughter/son of lions, who are you?
– A lion, of course!
If you are the daughter/son of eagles, who are you?
– An eagle, of course!
Who is God?
– Love, of course!
Who created you?
– God, of course!
Who are you?
– Love, of course!
“Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find
all of the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”
(T-16.IV.6:1)
January 16, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Kim
It is interesting that you would share about dolphins, lions and eagles.
These three symbols all have occult meanings. The dolphins represent an ancient race and intelligence….the lion is an ancient occult symbol for the sun and is often depicted with wings. The eagle represents the soul condition and its potential for perfection, and of course the native americans hold that the eagle has mystical powers. Some call the bird they worship the eagle but it is really a phoenix which is to be reborn again.
Did you use eastern meditation techniques before getting involved with ACIM? Is this how the imagery came into your mind?
Don’t worry about what a book has to say? You have given alot of quotes from ACIM.
January 16, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Mary
I have a difficult time understanding what the appeal is in the idea that god is in all things and all things lead to god. Why is it so offensive to believe in the God of the Bible who is personal and cares deeply for mankind so much so that He would offer himself to die on the cross. I just don’t get the appeal of ACIM ?
January 16, 2008 at 11:40 pm
jeff
Mary,
Some people find it very arrogant for us to stand on 2 feet with assurance from the Word. they think we are passing judgement. although we do know truth, the way, and the life, this goes counter to what they believe, which is several ways and change of direction at any time will still get them there. if we say we will pray for them, this just angers them, “like hey! i don’t need your prayers”. When I walked in the darkness i was still open to christians praying for me. I thought, ‘cool dude, thanks’. times have changed and the demons are gripping harder then ever, because they know the end is near and they want to take everyone they can with them.
ACIM is very articulate and obviously intelligent, and my only words to them are that we don’t know all the answers and that is where faith comes in. i’m assuming that they think we are the ones who will go to the big bad place. this would be wrong because if all places lead to God then we’ll be there too. i guess we’ll just be the cocky ones there, but know this- we will all bend our knees either in joy or fear. i look forward to it and hope ACIM and others will be joyous a long side us (with repentance and praising the only God our Saviour Jesus Christ).
January 17, 2008 at 1:02 am
Mary
Thank you Jeff,
Times certainly have changed. I too would have aprreciated christians praying for me when I was a nonbeliever. It showed they cared about me and deep down I knew I was lost. I am praying ACIM might understand that none of us christians think we are better than anyone else. Only sure of the One who saved us.
January 17, 2008 at 1:45 am
Mary
ACIM,
But you reject the narrow way to Jesus Christ which is repentance from sin faith in His atoning death on the cross as the only means to salvation. Therefore we are not the same as you. You will not receive eternal life because you reject Him. You can’t have it both ways. Either you reject this wide road you speak about which is contrary to what the Bible speaks of and embrace the gospel of Jesus Christ or you follow this false religion and will be accursed.
January 17, 2008 at 1:49 am
jeff
thanks, ACIM,
I too went to catholic school to grade 11, then spent some time in Assembly of God church- boy if they haven’t gone off the deep end.
During HS and college i did the yoga new age stuff even taught the stuff, living in La Jolla and surfing doing triathlons. only i believe now there is only one truth.
January 17, 2008 at 1:35 am
ACIM Student
Kim et. al.
I spend 9 years in a Catholic school K-8, then I spend a few more years going to a Pentecostal church and then a few more years as an adult in a Baptist church. That is my spiritual background.
When I was writing “Who are You?” all I tried to do was mention an animal I like from the sea, land, and air. I wasn’t thinking about any symbols.
I consider every human being to be my sister/brother whether we agree with each other or not. We are all equal. Yes, I have mention a fare share of ACIM quotes. They resonate truth to me.
It is not our job to convince each other of anything, that’s the Holy Spirit job. Salvation will come to every mind when is suppose to. Salvation not from damnation, but from having to come back to this hell hole again and again. Our minds must be in peace before we can regain eternity.
When we finally decide to listen to the Holy Spirit exclusively and do our forgiveness work, then we will return to our true home in Heaven. Just like the Prodigal Son we will return to the Kingdom of Love and Abundance that we left.
Dr. Kenneth Wapnick has a wonderful workshop in cd about “The Prodigal Son” from the perspective of ACIM.
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Be brave, we have nothing to fear.
January 17, 2008 at 2:54 am
ACIM Student
Mary,
First of all ACIM is not a religion, it is a self-study course designed to help change one’s perceptions.
Like I say, I am not here to try to change your belief. What you are taking about is a belief you have that you belong to this special group that is going to Heaven for being so good and every want else that does not belong to your special group is going to hell. How convenient!
That is exactly what got all us into trouble in Heaven. When we asked God for specialness, something that He couldn’t fulfill. God Loves sees no differences. God Loves all of us the same. So we decided to take matters into our own hands and using the awesome power of the mind we miscreated this hell hole called the world. That’s what Jesus called the far country in The Prodigal Son parable.
Christianity does not teach Jesus teachings. A better name for Christianity should be Paulinity.
January 17, 2008 at 3:13 am
Mary
well ACIM,
I’ll say this : all roads other than the road to calvary lead to one place -hell. You couldn’t be more wrong about this “special group” as you call it. I did nothing to earn salvation and certainly don’t feel special. And I am not good. But I guess I am beating a dead horse here so have a pleasant evening.
BTW I was raised catholic and went to catholic school in first grade and then my parents transferred me to public school.
But I just gotta add here- Christianity doesn’t teach Jesus teachings? Sermon on the Mount? The gospels- Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John??
January 17, 2008 at 3:50 am
jeff
ACIM,
Christianity is not a religion either. Also how could God create something and not be able to destroy it? This seems to flip flop a little, when it’s convenient to do so to make a discussion. It’s not up to us who is going here or there, we just hold fast to our beliefs, which we feel is correct.
If you say this place is a hell whole…
This may seem so very cruel and awful, but Jim Jones and his gang got to where you claim is heaven very quickly, so why not speed things up like they did…
Ridiculous isn’t it? ACIM you are very very smart, but you or whoever is teaching you this don’t have it right either. Where again is the far away place? Where is the proof of this far away place? It must take faith in order to believe this, just like us? When did we ask God for specialness and the proof of that as well? If there are a bunch of ways to get to heaven and we get there no matter what why not enjoy life today including anything moral or immoral?
January 17, 2008 at 4:00 am
Kim
Many do not know that they are focusing on a false or counterfeit Jesus.
Here is a quote from Mike Oppenheimer’s testimony.
“When the conference resumed Johanna spoke and I was relating to a lot she had experienced, especially in regards to the Ascended Master “Jesus”. Then she spoke about another Jesus – the true Jesus of the Bible, which came as a total shock. I never thought there could be false Jesus’ parading around as the real one. They were only Jesus by name but not the One who is God come in the flesh. It all made sense. When she prayed my heart was pierced, I knew I had heard the truth, but the question was; what would I do about it?”
https://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/mike-oppenheimer-my-testimony/
We do not belong to a “special” group. We are all sinners. The gospel of Jesus Christ is available to all who hear. And by believing and walking in faith we are saved and have eternal life.
It is more convenient to believe that sin doesn’t exist than to confess it, and turn away from it.
January 17, 2008 at 8:33 am
Philip Urso
To the point of this Blog: The Course teaches that the inspiration of the Holy Spirit leads to God. It teaches how to increase that inspiration and discern it from the ego.
Questions:
What if A Course in Miracles is what it says it is? What if it is the word of Jesus, unedited, written in our time and language to our current level of consciousness?
What if some of the Apostles were afraid or misunderstood some of Jesus’ message? What if the New Testament has been “edited” by mortals with an agenda, i.e., building a church? Of course, when in doubt or afraid or trying to win followers, would it be natural in each instance to default to the status quo, the Old Testament? What if Jesus came to teach a new message of universal, unchanging, unchangeable Love?
The Gospels that were lost for centuries (and largely spared of “editing”): why do they sound more like A Course in Miracles (and Buddhism) than the Bible?
And to echo ACIM above, how could God be vengeful? How could an all-loving God get in front of one army to destroy another? Could our own fearful minds have conjured this all up? Does it sound like all-loving God or sacred but scared children needing to be “right” and to “win?”
What kind of God would make this horrific world as a “price” for salvation? Cruel or loving? What if God did not make this world? What if it is only a dream as Jesus in The Course says; an Illusion, as Buddha said?
What if The Course is authentic? Wouldn’t a Christian want to know?
Statements:
The Course is not “New Age,” a convenient mis-mash of concepts. It is a complete thought system.
It is not “easy” but a very difficult path that teaches you how to give up everything in the world.
The Course teaches that the inspiration of the Holy Spirit leads to God. It teaches how to increase that inspiration and discern it from the ego.
The Course teaches forgiveness of the world and each other. It teaches this through a 600 page Text and 365 Lessons.
The Course is not a religion, but a self study. It cannot therefore become a cult. If you do not like it, move on.
The Course is not the only path; however, it does say that it can save you thousands of years.
January 17, 2008 at 8:47 am
Mary
ok ACIM,
I just couldn’t resist asking-you said:
“God loves and sees no differences. God loves us all the same”
For all the years you spent in churches in early life, certainly you heard scriptural verses about God hating sin right? It sounds like you had some foundation built on the word of God so what made you reject the Bible and Jesus Christ as taught through orthodox christianity?
“The course is not the only path; however, it does say that it can save you thousands of years”
thousands of years of what-do you mean bad Karma? reincarnation?
January 17, 2008 at 9:17 am
Kim
As a Christian who walks with the Lord, who reads my Bible daily and has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as Lord, I have peace, love, security, and certainly no fear.
The Course has nothing to offer me….
On the other hand, it seems to me… many who are attracted to the Course, have rejected the teachings of the Bible and are dealing with much fear.
How does one involved with the Course know if they are truly dealing with the Holy Spirit or have summoned a familiar spirit of divination?
January 17, 2008 at 9:48 am
Barbra Crame
I don’t want to be around the non believers. I think they are evil. I see so many of them, so I stay away from them They have an arora about them that is hard to miss. there is a hardness that is in them. They have no soul. They are evil. When you say the word God, they are very disturbed. They become harden to the word of God.
I would rather not have any friends if it depended on someone who does not believe in the ONE TRUE GOD. AND THE NON BELIEVES KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. THEY KNOW WHO WE ARE, THEY SEE IT IN OUR FACES, OUR SPEECH, OUR EYES. THEY WOULD LIKE TO DESTROY US.
January 17, 2008 at 9:50 am
Kim
On page 302 of the course it states:
“The Holy Spirit teaches thus: There is no hell”
There are 54 verses in the KJV that refers to hell.
I reject what the course is calling the Holy Spirit.
January 17, 2008 at 9:53 am
Philip Urso
Kim-
Your first paragraph says it all; what you are doing is working and that is all that matters. And through your experience you “know” this is your path. This always must be the way to discern the Holy Spirit from the ego, or whatever else. Yes there is scholarship, intellect, study, devotion, but eventually your own experience of the Holy Spirit will tell you.
I suppose I could ask you how you know whether you have summoned something else, but that would probably sound foolish to you; I suspect you simply “know” from your own peace, love, security and total lack of fear.
And you are also dead-on in your third paragraph: many have not found their way in the church. But many thousands have found “a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as Lord, …have peace, love, security, and certainly no fear” through A Course in Miracles. For me, after study and practice of The Course, I found what you describe and know it. I know it exactly as you know what you found. And I believe that we are moving in the same direction to the same place.
Peace to you.
January 17, 2008 at 10:07 am
Kim
Philip, you said:
“I suppose I could ask you how you know whether you have summoned something else, but that would probably sound foolish to you;”
This does not sound foolish to me at all…in fact we are told to discern the spirits.
1 John 4:1-3
“Dear friends do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.”
This is how I know…….
January 17, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Philip Urso
Interesting – I believe A Course in Miracles passes that test.
January 17, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Kim
In John 16:8-13, Jesus tells us that the Holy Spirit will convict the world concerning sin (8), and He will guide the sinner, who desires a relationship with Jesus, into all truth (13).
The work of the Holy Spirit is to always point us to Jesus, and Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
ACIM on page 67 clarification of terms of Jesus-Christ, says “His little life on earth was not enough to teach the mighty lesson that he learned for all of you.”
Any spirit that does not point to Jesus Christ as Savior and redeemer for our sin, is a false spirit, and certainly not the “Holy” spirit.
January 17, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Kim
Philip:
One other thing…..the course immediately starts the student meditating after the text section.
So i am assuming you are using eastern style meditation…It is at this point that you ask the spirit if it acknowledges Jesus Christ as Lord and that He came in the flesh.
You are to test the “spirit” itself, not the words or ideas in a book.
January 17, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Kim
Barbra,
We have to remember that once we too were unbelievers. We are to be the salt and in order to do this we have to mingle somewhat. Yes, we are to keep ourselves separate from the world, but we are part of it and need to be witness to the gospel of Jesus Christ and what He has done in our lives.
But you are right, we are hated and it will only get worse. Take comfort in the Lord.
January 18, 2008 at 3:48 am
Lee
ACIM Student,
You may want to read Lee Stroebels’ “A Case For Christ.” Stroebels was an agnostic journalist who set out to disprove the validity of the Bible to his Christian wife and friends. However, the more he delved into it researching it from a journalist’s perspective, the more he was convinced of its authenticity. Stroebels is now a Christian.
January 18, 2008 at 2:54 am
ACIM Student
Why I do not accept the New Testament
as a reliable source on the teachings of Jesus
While I do not consider myself a Christian in the traditional sense, I do have tremendous respect for the teachings of Jesus, whoever he may have been. And that is the problem—we’re not really sure who he actually was, what he actually did, and what he actually taught some 2,000 years ago.
Whoever he was, Jesus was clearly an extraordinary figure, so it seems well that we should trouble ourselves to get clear about his extraordinary message. In recent years, there has been much interest by scholars in establishing the “historical Jesus,” that is, getting a factual description of him, in distinction to the large body of unsupported traditional belief that has grown up around him over the ages. The main source of information about him is, of course, the Gospels of the New Testament. It is this source that modern Christianity bases its understanding of the teachings of Jesus. I find, however, that I am not comfortable with these Gospels as a reliable source about him. I am not a scholar of ancient scripture, but here is how the reliability issue looks to me on the face of it:
1. Hearsay is inadmissible. Nothing in the Gospels was written by Jesus himself. He didn’t even edit or approve what was written. I have had some experience with news reporters quoting what I have said in their articles on the basis of notes they took when I was speaking. I have no doubt that they believed they were reporting accurately. There was no reason for them to do otherwise. However, the facts would inevitably get skewed in some way. This is essentially why our commonly accepted standards of reliability exclude hearsay evidence. All of what is written in the Gospels is hearsay.
2. Time degrades memory. The Gospels are not on-the-spot transcriptions of the words of Jesus as they were spoken. There were written after the fact—not later in the day or the next day, but 40-120 years later. How much credibility should we put in the accuracy of memory that old? Granted, there have always been those with phenomenal memory, and perhaps even those who make it their business to be a society’s memory and who can remember such accounts accurately. We might also grant that the inaccuracies of recall may be of minor significance. But to me, it’s unsettling. We have no way of knowing how accurately the teachings of Jesus were remembered.
3. Pseudepigrapha There was a fashion at the time for people to write something and attribute its authorship to someone else, usually a famous person, in an attempt to give one’s writing more credibility. Such writings are called pseudepigrapha—“falsely inscribed.” That custom makes authenticating authorship problematic. We know the Gospels were supposed to have been written by major disciples of Jesus, but we don’t know who actually wrote them, or what qualified them to render an accurate account.
4. No eye-witnesses Of the four supposed writers of the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, only John was known to have been an actual witness. But, was he? The Gospel of John seems to have been written 90-120 years afterward, clearly eliminating John as its actual writer. That means that none of the Gospels were written by actual eye-witnesses. At the time of Jesus, the normal life span of a person was around 40 years. Let’s say that a young disciple of Jesus would have been about 20. So, a 20-year old, writing 40 years later at the earliest, would put him around 60 years of age—a possible age, but not likely. Far less likely is for one to have written anything 120 years later. This strongly suggests that the Gospels were not written by their presumed authors, and that is the conclusion drawn by many scholars of The New Testament. With the Gospels not written by the Jesus’ disciples nor by other eye witnesses, they are even further into the unreliable territory of hearsay.
5. Oral transmission favors what makes a good story. Until it was written, information about Jesus was transmitted orally as retold stories. It’s well-known among those who study the oral transmission of information that when a story is retold, the teller will inevitably, if not even deliberately, distort the story in order to make it more interesting. The teller will highlight certain aspects of the story by filling in detail where there was none to begin with, and by leaving out detail thought to be incidental or not contributing to the point being made. Certain aspects of the story are exaggerated or at least accentuated in order to give it more audience appeal. For the teller, it may be a simple matter of honest, logical supposition, but the process is nevertheless imaginative. If the teller is not interested in accurate history but only in telling a good story, then a more active creative process occurs. The audience is certainly part of this process, because the audience rewards a good story teller. The audience at the time of Jesus was likely one predisposed to the mystical and the magical, and thus elicited such stories about Jesus. Of course, all these problems get magnified when a story is retold by yet other story tellers. Granted, there may have been those who were trustworthy in retelling stories of Jesus faithfully. I feel uneasy, though, about accepting the accuracy of spiritual teaching by story tellers.
6. The disciples themselves didn’t get it. The distortion of a hearer’s unconscious filtering and misperception is even more serious than the distortion induced by retelling, bad memory, or storytellers. The teachings of Jesus were radical—beyond the grasp of his disciples. There are many references in the record to their inability to understand his message. What he taught and what they understood are likely two different things. Jesus couched his public message in allegory and metaphor, which effectively hid it from those ready to stone him for blasphemy. But even in his private teaching, all that the disciples seemed capable of hearing was what their prior beliefs predisposed them to. Jesus went well beyond those beliefs, and consequently, I believe, his message was lost on their ears. Through their record, we don’t get it either.
7. Language, culture, and time are formidable barriers. Anyone who has spent much time in another culture knows how communication barriers abound. All cultures hold many kinds of symbols—words, metaphors, myths, and otherwise—that represent their worldview. We are very far removed from the time and place of Jesus. Today, we have a different worldview and use a vastly different set of symbols. Trying to piece together a highly unusual and complicated story, from a foreign culture, with limited and faulty documentation and from the standpoint of our modern symbology and mindset—some 2,000 years after the fact—seems pretty audacious to me. I don’t doubt that we miss the mark by a wide margin.
8. Lost in Translation When translating, one must of course understand the meaning of what is to be translated before it can be rendered in another language. This understanding must go well beyond the kind of understanding we normally content ourselves with when we casually read something in our own language. Anyone with even a passing acquaintance of another language recognizes that there is virtually no one-to-one correspondence between even the common words of two languages. Also, because the language into which one translates implies different assumptions about reality, and has different requirements for what is to be made explicit in language, translators often find themselves in the awkward position of having to necessarily interpolate an author’s intended meaning. Translators unavoidably, even if unintentionally, introduce distortion into an author’s intended meaning because it is filtered not just through translators’ beliefs about what is true, but also through their agendas. We get The New Testament only in translation—twice: Aramaic to Greek, then Greek to English (except for The Gospel of Luke, which was originally written in Greek). Unfortunately, we do not have any of the original Aramaic documents to check accuracy with. Speaking as a scientific linguist who has worked in a translation office, I feel discomfort with two-generation translation.
9. Lost by Copying Anciently, of course, there were no printing presses. What was written was written by hand. The parchments on which the writings were made deteriorated with use and age, and had to be recopied—by hand. The reality is, accidentally or intentionally, copy error happens. The originals are now entirely gone. What survives today is the result of multiple generations of copies—copies of copies. Though careful comparison of the various old manuscripts that we now have does reveal copy errors, it is impossible to assess how much distortion has ultimately been introduced by such error.
10. The books were cooked. The main source of the distortion of information about Jesus and his teachings came in the fourth century AD. Roman Emperor, Constantine, had an empire of pagan groups and several factious Christian sects that had been growing in popularity and strength. In order to unify his empire and thereby consolidate his power, Constantine employed a proven strategy for wielding power: he had a single, mandatory religion created for his entire empire. He wanted that religion to be Christian, though he himself was not Christian. However, at the time there was no consensus on what constituted Christian belief. He therefore convened a council of Christian leaders at Nicea and commissioned them to settle their differences and codify the result as a religion for his empire. This the Council did, through a political process, creating a dogma out of some traditional Christian beliefs that were suffused with pre-existing pagan belief and mythic imagery from the ambient cultures of the empire.
At the time, there were many “gospels,” or records of the teachings of Jesus, floating about, perhaps as many as a hundred. At the conclusion of the Council of Nicea, all those gospels save four were systematically collected and destroyed. The remaining four were those that best supported the conclusions of the Council. They were further doctored to generally harmonize (though they still don’t, exactly), and then canonized as the Gospels we now have in The New Testament.
Today, of course, we have found a few surviving copies of other gospels that didn’t make it into the Bible, and they do differ from the canon in important ways. But we still do not know how reliable these other gospels are, and we’ll never know what we’re missing.
The upshot is that much of core Christian belief today is literalized pagan mythology, such as: Jesus as a divinity—the son of a virgin mother and only begotten of God, Jesus as the intercessor with God and savior of humankind; the eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood as a sacrament, the sacrifice of his life as an appeasement for our sins; and further notions of our guilt, salvation or damnation, sacraments as necessary for salvation, and the authority of a priesthood (i.e., the Church). Each one of these elements are derived from antecedents in multiple pagan mythologies, which followed the same pattern of adopting alien beliefs from other cultures that Old Testament Hebrew prophets inveighed against. All of these beliefs were superimposed onto the record of Jesus for the greater glory and power of Church and State, but not the authentic Jesus.
In my estimation, these impediments taken together make the New Testament a dubious document at best from which to draw any definite conclusions about the teachings of Jesus, moreover, conclusions about God and ourselves.
What about modern sources of Jesus’ teachings?
The position that The Book of Mormon is an independent corroboration of Jesus as a divine redeemer fails in that it perpetuates the very paganism introduced by the Council of Nicea.
However, there are other, illuminating modern sources. Seth, the nominal source for Jane Roberts, has commented on the historicity of Jesus. According to Seth, the modern icon of Jesus is actually a composite of three Jewish mystics of the time: one called Jesus, John the Baptist, and one other. Through distortions introduced by oral transmission of the buzz created by these radicals—stories feeding an audience hungry for the miraculous—ideas about these three coalesced over time into the single iconic image that survives today as “Jesus.” —An interesting proposition, though perhaps impossible to validate.
Another modern source of Jesus’ teachings is A Course in Miracles, published in 1976. Here the spiritual intelligence is so compelling that I stretch for comprehensive perspective. Because it appears to be a primary source, it may be free from corrupting influence. The Course teaches the essential non-dualism and ephemeral ego corroborated by the enlightened mystics of all the great spiritual traditions: Kabbalist, Sufi, Buddhist, Hindu, of course Taoist, and even Christian. Not surprisingly, The Course contains hardly any of what would be recognized today as core Christian belief. To my mind, this is the strongest indication of the failure of The New Testament and the tradition of the Christian church to bring us the essential teachings of Jesus.
Fitting the historical Jesus, the Course employs a non-western, spiral rhetorical form and is occasionally even poetic. It offers an ingenious daily practice for the correction of misperception, which leads to direct experience, or “awakening.” The Course is, however, rather dense for most readers, including myself.
Though I value the Course, I am honestly incapable of pronouncing an evaluation. I still struggle with the vague sense that it is, after all, a parochial take on life. Though it is unquestionably profound and beyond my full appreciation, it may still be only one among other possible, valid perspectives, and not necessarily the final word, if such can indeed exist.
I still do like to read “Jesus” in the New Testament. An extraordinary, enlightened spiritual intelligence does shine through. I value the New Testament, but cannot accept it at face value. I approach it cautiously, and treat it more as mythic imagery. Like Thomas Jefferson, I highlight the best and cut the rest.
Despite the best of our intentions, getting the bottom truth of Jesus sorted out from The New Testament may well be an impossible aspiration.
January 18, 2008 at 3:58 am
Kim
I would like to offer up some quotes from “Surprised from Faith”.
It is generally agreed that the 27 books and letters of the New Testament were penned over a fifty-year period beginning approximately AD 47. For ease in calculation, I will use the year 100 as the latest possible date for their completion. What is the earliest copy ever found? Remember the range for all other literature is 300 to more than 1500 years after authorship. The John Ryland’s papyrus, designated by scholars as P52, is a fragment containing a few verses of the New Testament Gospel of John dating about 125 AD. This is only some 35 years after the orginal gospel had been written by the apostle. Whoever used this copy could have known the author, or even been personally taught by the Apostle John, himself.
Furthermore, a strong case has been been made recently by Dr. Yound Kyu Kim, a manuscript scholar, that the Chester Beatty Papyrus containing all of Paul’s epistles except the pastorals, should be re-dated to the late first century. This is only about 20 years after the apostle died.
But that is not all. Studies of the late-first and early-second century extant writings of those who were students of the eye-witness apostles (e.g. Polycarp, Clement of Rome, Ignatius) reveal extensive references to the New Testament writings. For example, about AD 96 Clement of Rome refers to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke and eight other New Testament letters. Obviously, they must have been written some time before that date in order for Clement to cite them.
Supporting that conclusion are the recently analyzed fragments of Matthew (Magdalen Papyrus), a scroll fragment of the Mark at Quamran, and a papyrus fragment of Luke in a Paris Library that have been dated by some scholars between AD 50 and AD 70. Since Jesus lived at least until AD 30 these copies were made by people who were contemporaries of Jesus-people who knew Him personally or talked with those who did. While these three manuscripts are all fragments, they neverless demonstrate that the Gospels were in written form very early. They did not go through a long period of oral transmission during which they took on legendary traditions. No other ancient writing can trace its manuscript copies all the way back to the generation of the eyewitnesses and its original authors.
Now onto copying….
Dr. Bruce Metzger, professor of New Testament language and literature at Princeton published an analysis on this very question. He compared research into the many manuscripts of three ancient works.. Homer’s Iliad, a religious work of the ancient Greeks: the Mahabharata, a religious book of Hinduism; and the Christian New Testament. The works varied in length from 15,600 lines for the Iliad, 20,000 for the New Testament, and 250,000 for the Mahabharata. How much distortion did he find?
Dr. Metzger summarized that 764 lines of the Iliad were corrupted a distortion rate of about 5%.
The Mahabharata is even worse with at least 26,000 lines corrupted, somewhat more that a 10% distortion.
The data for the New testament on the other hand is incredible. Only 40 of 20,000 lines or 1% are distorted. Further FF Bruce has said that “the variant readings about which any doubt remains among textual critics of the New Testament affects no material question of historic fact or of Christian faith and practice.” Said more simply, no teaching of the Christian faith is in question as a result of the distortion of the New Testament text due to copying over many centuries.”
Dr Donald A. Bierle “Surprised by Faith” pages 30, 32, 33, 35
The Iliad is not questioned but the Bible is.
January 18, 2008 at 7:28 pm
ACIM Student
Kim,
You obviously didn’t like Bertrand Russell (Nobel Prize in Literature 1950 ) essay “Why I Am Not A Christian”. That’s why you deleted my post. Know that when you attack, you are opening yourself to attack. But when you love, the most likely response you will get is love.
If you allow me, and in all fairness to the people reading this blog here is the link to the above essay: ***link deleted***
January 18, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Kim
ACIM Student.
I deleted your post because of it’s extreme length, i had warned you by email of posting articles instead of comments. If you had paraphrased instead this would have been fine.
Giving the link is great. Thank you for following the guidelines and keeping the comments relevant to the posted article.
ps i am more interested in your thoughts as ACIM student than someone else’s view.
January 18, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Christian » Comment on A Biblical Response To “A Course in Miracles” by Kim
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January 18, 2008 at 11:54 pm
jacob
Student, I empathize with you that Kim will not, and can not, address the glaring flaws with the integrity of the foundation of his entire world view, the bible.
Its like having a child discuss in avid detail his imaginary play world while trying to convince you that this imaginary world is indeed valid. Then, when you ask him for proof of his fantasy, he cites the bedtime stories his parents read to him each night, which are the origin for every shred of the imagery and content of his cosmos.
If you point out to him that the stories his parents read to him are just that, stories, and overly edited ones at that, you’ll only confuse him. The child needs to develop a valid world view before he can safely abandon his illusion.
The track to take with people like Kim here isn’t to convince them that their stories are false. The most productive path is to show them the beauty and intelligence inherent in the real world, as it is, irrelevant to their fantasy. If they can open their eyes and see this, then they’ll have no more need for their stories.
I wish for all people the courage to abandon their illusions.
January 19, 2008 at 1:42 am
Lee
Jacob,
Here’s words of wisdom from the Bible:
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. (1 Corinthians 1:21)
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength. (1 Corinthians 1:25)
The man without the [Holy] Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:14)
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness” (1 Corinthians 3:19; Job 5:13)
Also, see my post above @ Jan. 18 3:48am.
January 19, 2008 at 4:02 am
Mary
Kim
As your previous avatar stated: lalalala. I don’t think Jacob is listening.